The Sandman on Netflix

i just feel like i am on a longhaul flight at cruising altitude w clear skies ahead (or a similar metaphor for flight-phobic/pandemic times)

disappointed taht it's over and have to wait to see if there is a 2nd series coming . Assume there must be from end set up.
& of course the comic goes on way after this ends.

Have enjoyed it, think its a good media experience so not sure what would make it good/not good TV. & not sure how niche it is so is taht part of it? Think it has worked very well so hope it is continued with same qualities.

Even Jenna Coleman wasn't as bad as she normally is, doesn't look much like Sting though do she?

I had forgotten me and my housemates in college went to Halloween as most of The Endless in about 1997! Good memories. This series is a delight. I love how much darkness they're getting away with tbh? I haven't enjoyed the specific gore elements but I appreciate how they define the stakes and boundaries.

Watched the first ep last night and my partner is in, hooray. She did note that hazy, gauzy quality that a lot of Netflix shows seem to be using these days, and is hoping for a bit more humor to it, but is down to see where it goes.

She also asked if I thought Dream looked like Ow3n P@ll3t, lol.

I was distracted thinking Dream would turn around and be Neil Gaiman.

*cough* I think he very closely resembles one P4trick W0lf, myself

Just seeing some shorts being released on torrent sites today. Not watched them yet but sounds interesting.

The episode with the walk with Death and Dream Makes A Friend is quite beautiful (but like, could have skipped the soaring "feel something now" strings when Morpheus calls him friend).

I want a series about giant sentient cats dominating humanity.

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i'm only three episodes in but idk so far it hasn't displayed any capacity for psychedelia, otherwise it's fine and better than expected, and i especially enjoyed the ways they rewrote the narrative of preludes

i just wish it looked cooler and had a score that wasn't a tv show score

i'm rereading the comics rn, i suppose the direct comparison isn't helping me digest the show as its own thing

casting is otm tho

yeah the normcore aspects were a bit :/ but not in a distracting, bothersome way
but the show def suffers under immediate comparison

i agree on the score … like a trent/atticus thing would have been cool? or some other old ex-goth lol

Yeah, felt like it deserved the Clint Mansell treatment, like the trippy bits in The Fountain.

I’m not sure about that weird stretching thing going on in the camerawork, like a random instagram filter. I keep thinking I’ve got my TV set at the wrong aspect ratio (unless I have, in which case move this post to the absent-mindedness thread).

Dream Makes A Friend def the best ep, partially because it doesn't demand anything much in terms of special effects (which will always look cooler in a comic).

was charmed by the changes they made to the preludes arc in order to omit the dc universe characters. less charmed by what they've done to the doll's house to achieve the same thing

casting remains for the most part dope, especially the uncanny valley decisions they made for fiddler's green and fun land that legit make it feel like my favorite comic book is coming to life. on the opposite end of things however... not thrilled with the performances of the ppl playing rose and hippolyta

i think in general i dislike how unwilling this show is to make anyone unsympathetic bc there are v unsympathetic characters in sandman... and that's ok

I don’t think we’ve seen the range that Lyta’s character has to offer, yet; and Rose was pretty specifically by the book in my estimation

Well Morpheus himself is pretty unsympathetic! That poor gargoyle.

Fiddler's Green the first time in ages I've not found Stephen Fry insufferable.

morpheus does many bad things! which is why i think having endless, pointless conversations with lucien in the library about whether or not the fuckin dream vortex is causing rifts in the fucking dreaming are doing way too much work to show us dream is changing

john dee was also made into a much more confusing and muddled character and arguably trying to make him more sympathetic made him... less so? idk

i'm all for this show being different from the comic but then it does things like directly transcribe the hob gadling issue

I much preferred Netflix's John Dee... in re-reading the original books after watching the Netflix series I was struck by how many "improvements" there were to be made, that I hoped the series would address-- chief amongst them the way the original series felt a need to tip its hat to the DC universe with such frequency, Gaiman's rather-dated gender politics, and a general weirdness about sex

Netflix's disintegrationist John Dee walked a fine line between sociopathic and moralistic and I thought it was one of the greatest successes of the adaptation

eh agree to disagree

i would be much more forgiving if the show gave me any visuals to dine on

afaic the only real "bleahhhh" misstep so far was the unnecessary and un-artful "Desire fucked Unity" reveal.

Considering how hokey the Jake stuff could've been I thought it was really sweet and fun

And yeah I agree that the series is lacking a certain sumptuousness

how fuckin ugly is lyta's dead husband's dream house tho

Not really reading the thread closely to avoid spoilers (I know, but I only read really scattered issues of this from a friend back in the day), I'm surprised that my wife, knowing absolutely nothing about the source material, absolutely loves the show.

yeah it was pretty hideous
reminded me of the ugliest stuff on worlds most extraordinary homes lol

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Lol. So much of the acting is so specifically bad, in the same way, even from some decent actors, that it must be intentional, right? I don't know if they're trying to convey a surreal "this all might be a dream" feeling even in the "real world" scenes, a sense of comic book-ness, or trying to attain some sort of Twin Peaks uncanniness, but I'm not sure that it works.

just to say something nice i want to say that the guy playing the corinthian fucking nailed it

he was so good!!

My wife was into this and I thought the first several episodes were excessive and bad CGI, but the diner episode and the episode with Death were really amazing. Love that they are already departing from the overarching plot to do 1-2 episode contained stories.

The diner story and the Death story came at the exact same points in the comics - the Hob Gadling story was a diversion in the middle of The Doll's House, but made sense paired with The Sound Of Her Wings here.

In terms of representation, my wife was not too happy that despite all the care taken to race and gender the show's take on Despair was still "a fat woman".

Isnt she in the comics as well? What if they'd made Despair slim? That seems like it'd be worse!

Yes she's like that in the comic - but the show changes the gender and ethnicity of all sorts of characters, so it's weird they left this one as is.

Interesting interview with a staff writer

https://gizmodo.com/netflix-sandman-neil-gaiman-vanessa-benton-interview-1849563633

It's nearly Time...
But for what? pic.twitter.com/wJsXkMEA1k

— Neil Gaiman (@neilhimself) September 28, 2022

gaiman is rebooting days of our lives?

It's the third volume of Sandman on Audible, I think?

his reply tweet says "for this" and spruiks the third volume of Sandman on Audible.

(Twitter rarely now allows public viewing of threads.)

It's really wonderful to see this show 20 years after reading the comics. I barely remember the details anymore, just that the comic had imaginative stories and frequently went places I didn't expect. Those aspects carry the show nicely through some not-great acting here and there. Hope this gets enough seasons to finish it out

And it looks like we get a season 2!

Cool! Season of Mists feels really challenging to make work for TV but so far I'd say they've done as good a job at a Sandman adaptation as one could imagine.