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I’m with thus sang Freud here, there are more interesting angles to explore here besides “lol at audiophiles”.

brimstead, Friday, 5 August 2022 22:35 (one year ago) link

it's so funny to me that this made the news

marcel the shell with swag on (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 5 August 2022 22:36 (one year ago) link

that in groove guy has an interesting backstory.

Thus Sang Freud, Friday, 5 August 2022 22:40 (one year ago) link

probably more interesting than the article, honestly!

birdistheword, Friday, 5 August 2022 22:54 (one year ago) link

Being able to try different cuts is a very persuasive and reasonable argument for using files. It's also understandable that they would have had trouble finding a way to sell it, given the brand, and just let it slide.

Noel Emits, Friday, 5 August 2022 22:59 (one year ago) link

This brings to mind George Lucas's response to Martin Scorsese re: whether or not digital was truly inferior to film/analog - "If it had a DI, it's already digital." The point being, right before 35mm prints were most phased out, and even now when the occasional film tries to strike 35mm prints, anything shot on film will still get transferred to digital for the grading and color correction. There's no way anyone's not doing that because then they have to forfeit a LOT of tools that have become standard in grading, which has become a completely different and far more complicated stage of work than before. Even vintage films will probably get a DI in order to take advantage of digital restoration tools, which can handle a lot of things photochemical restoration won't. It's all in that YouTube interview, which is indeed a slog to get through, but as they explain, going to DSD gives them a huge advantage. I'd say it's kind of like working with a 6K scan (if you think of 2K being redbook PCM and and 4K being DSD), it would be extremely difficult to ask someone to ditch that and stay in the analog world when the benefits vastly outweighs the disadvantages to most discerning people.

birdistheword, Friday, 5 August 2022 23:08 (one year ago) link

*going to DSD 256
*4K being DSD 64

birdistheword, Friday, 5 August 2022 23:08 (one year ago) link

(yes, the math doesn't line up, but bear with me on the analogy)

birdistheword, Friday, 5 August 2022 23:08 (one year ago) link

agree with everything birdintheword is saying. reading the comments to the wapo article, though, the clear takeaway seems to be "lol audiophiles," which is not deserved. i doubt many audiophiles have heard DSD 256.

Thus Sang Freud, Friday, 5 August 2022 23:13 (one year ago) link

Is it the case though that to perform most digital processing on a DSD recording it has to be converted to PCM and back? Or can DSD be processed directly now?

Noel Emits, Friday, 5 August 2022 23:14 (one year ago) link

I mean I assume they meant they could try things out with the analogue chain, I haven't watched the whole interview.

Noel Emits, Friday, 5 August 2022 23:20 (one year ago) link

It probably depends on what you're doing, but there's less reason to now. IIRC when SACD was first introduced, there weren't any DSD tools you could use to alter a DSD file. So if you were mastering an analog recording for SACD, you either had to feed the console through analog tools (which is ideal) or if you really preferred to do it digitally, converts the DSD to hi-res PCM, do whatever there, then convert back to DSD. Bob Ludwig did that with a lot of Rolling Stones stuff because he had a lot of digital PCM-only tools he wanted to use rather than give them up for the project. Personally, I wish he gave them up and just be okay with doing less with the recordings in order to preserve all the data in the original DSD transfer, but what's done is done.

They eventually developed DSD tools though, so going to PCM and back really makes little sense anymore.

birdistheword, Friday, 5 August 2022 23:25 (one year ago) link

*feed the analog signal through analog tools

birdistheword, Friday, 5 August 2022 23:25 (one year ago) link

*convert

birdistheword, Friday, 5 August 2022 23:26 (one year ago) link

Just watching a bit.

They're talking about calibrating the tape machine to match the calibration of the original recorder for each song of an album individually and then transferring to digital.

So that's pretty interesting and obviously it wouldn't be possible to do that if cutting directly.

Noel Emits, Friday, 5 August 2022 23:29 (one year ago) link

How a Phoenix record store owner set the audiophile world on fire
Geoff Edgers13-16 minutes 8/5/2022
Mike Esposito still won’t say who gave him the tip about the records. But on July 14, he went public with an explosive claim.

In a sometimes halting video posted to the YouTube channel of his Phoenix record shop, the ‘In’ Groove, Esposito said that “pretty reliable sources” told him that MoFi (Mobile Fidelity), the Sebastopol, Calif., company that has prided itself on using original master tapes for its pricey reissues, had actually been using digital files in its production chain. In the world of audiophiles — where provenance is everything and the quest is to get as close to the sound of an album’s original recording as possible — digital is considered almost unholy. And using digital while claiming not to is the gravest sin a manufacturer can commit.

There was immediate pushback to Esposito’s video, including from some of the bigger names in the passionate audio community.

Shane Buettner, owner of Intervention Records, another company in the reissue business, defended MoFi on the popular message board moderated by mastering engineer Steve Hoffman. He remembered running into one of the company’s engineers at a recording studio working with a master tape. “I know their process and it’s legit,” he wrote. Michael Fremer, the dean of audiophile writing, was less measured. He slammed Esposito for irresponsibly spreading rumors and said his own unnamed source told him the record store owner was wrong. “Will speculative click bait YouTube videos claiming otherwise be taken down after reading this?” he tweeted.

But at MoFi’s headquarters in Sebastopol, John Wood knew the truth. The company’s executive vice president of product development felt crushed as he watched Esposito’s video. He has worked at the company for more than 26 years and, like most of his colleagues, championed its much lauded direct-from-master chain. Wood could hear the disappointment as Esposito, while delivering his report, also said that some of MoFi’s albums were among his favorites. So Wood picked up the phone, called Esposito and suggested he fly to California for a tour. It’s an invite he would later regret.

That visit resulted in a second video, published July 20, in which MoFi’s engineers confirmed, with a kind of awkward casualness, that Esposito was correct with his claims. The company that made its name on authenticity had been deceptive about its practices. The episode is part of a crisis MoFi now concedes was mishandled.

“It’s the biggest debacle I’ve ever seen in the vinyl realm,” says Kevin Gray, a mastering engineer who has not worked with MoFi but has produced reissues of everyone from John Coltrane to Marvin Gaye.

“They were completely deceitful,” says Richard Drutman, 50, a New York City filmmaker who has purchased more than 50 of MoFi’s albums over the years. “I never would have ordered a single Mobile Fidelity product if I had known it was sourced from a digital master.”

Record labels use digital files to make albums all the time: It’s been the industry norm for more than a decade. But a few specialty houses — the Kansas-based Analogue Productions, London’s Electric Recording Co. and MoFi among them — have long advocated for the warmth of analog.

“Not that you can’t make good records with digital, but it just isn’t as natural as when you use the original tape,” says Bernie Grundman, 78, the mastering engineer who worked on the original recordings of Steely Dan’s “Aja,” Michael Jackson’s “Thriller” and Dr. Dre’s “The Chronic.”

Mobile Fidelity and its parent company, Music Direct, were slow to respond to the revelation. But last week, the company began updating the sourcing information on its website and also agreed to its first interview, with The Washington Post. The company says it first used DSD, or Direct Stream Digital technology, on a 2011 reissue of Tony Bennett’s “I Left My Heart in San Francisco.” By the end of 2011, 60 percent of its vinyl releases incorporated DSD. All but one of the reissues as part of its One-Step series, which include $125 box set editions of Santana, Carole King and the Eagles, have used that technology. Going forward, all MoFi cutting will incorporate DSD.

Syd Schwartz, Mobile Fidelity’s chief marketing officer, made an apology.

“Mobile Fidelity makes great records, the best-sounding records that you can buy,” he said. “There had been choices made over the years and choices in marketing that have led to confusion and anger and a lot of questions, and there were narratives that had been propagating for a while that were untrue or false or myths. We were wrong not to have addressed this sooner.”

Mastering engineer Brad Miller founded MoFi in 1977 to cater largely to audiophiles. The company boomed during the 1980s, but by 1999, with vinyl sales plummeting, the company declared bankruptcy. Jim Davis, owner of the Chicago-based Music Direct, a company that specializes in audio equipment, purchased the label and revived MoFi. During the recent vinyl resurgence (vinyl sales in 2021 hit their highest mark in 30 years), MoFi’s specialty releases sell out quickly and can be found on secondary markets at much higher prices.

Marketing has been a key element of the MoFi model. Most releases include a banner on the album cover proclaiming it the “Original Master Recording.” And every One-Step, which cut out parts of the production process to supposedly get closer to the original tape, includes a thick explainer sheet in which the company outlines in exacting detail how it creates its records. But there has been one very important item missing: any mention of a digital step.

The company has obscured the truth in other ways. MoFi employees have done interviews for years without mentioning digital. In 2020, Grant McLean, a Canadian customer, got into a debate with a friend about MoFi’s sourcing. McLean believed in the company and wrote to confirm that he was right. In a response he provided to The Post, a customer service representative wrote McLean that “there is no analog to digital conversion in our vinyl cutting process.”

Earlier this year, MoFi announced an upcoming reissue of Jackson’s 1982 smash “Thriller” as a One-Step. The news release said the original master tape would be used for the repressing, which would have a run of 40,000 copies. That’s a substantially bigger number than the usual for a One-Step, which is typically limited to between 3,500 and 7,500 copies.

Michael Ludwigs, a German record enthusiast with a YouTube channel, 45 RPM Audiophile, questioned how this could be possible. Because of the One-Step process, an original master tape would need to be run dozens of times to make that many records. Why would Sony Music Entertainment allow that?

“That’s the kind of thing that deteriorates tape,” says Grundman.

“That’s the one where I think everyone started going, ‘Huh?’” says Ryan K. Smith, a mastering engineer at Sterling Sound in Nashville.

The MoFi controversy has not just exposed tensions between rival record makers. It’s heightened a rift between Fremer and Esposito.

For decades, as LPs were replaced by CDs and iPods, Fremer, now 75, was a lonely voice pushing to keep them alive.

“Michael’s considered the guy, like the guru, so to speak,” says Dale Clark, 54, a photographer and longtime record collector in Ohio.

But Fremer, now a writer for the online magazine the Tracking Angle, has been bickering with Esposito for months. He was furious that MoFi invited Esposito to Sebastopol and wrote an email to Jim Davis on July 17 to protest.

“You have lost your minds,” Fremer wrote. “Mistakes happen that can be corrected. In this case you have chosen to elevate [an inexperienced non-journalist] to work your way out of a predicament instead of a seasoned journalist and I’m not referring necessarily to me. I could name a half dozen others.”

Esposito never claimed to be a journalist.

He’s a record geek who grew up in foster homes after his father was murdered when he was 11. (His mother, he says, has had drug and alcohol problems.) Over the years, Esposito, who didn’t finish high school, has sold sports collectibles and started a chain of mattress stores. In 2015, he opened the ‘In’ Groove in Phoenix. His regular videos, in which he unboxes reissues and ranks different pressings, have made him a popular YouTube presence with almost 40,000 subscribers. He says he felt he owed it to his customers to pursue the MoFi tip.

“I sell to the people I sell to because they trust me,” Esposito, 38, told The Post. “And if they don’t trust me, they can go anywhere else and buy those records.”

Esposito wants record companies to do a better job labeling recording sources. Some already do. Intervention and Analogue Productions provide details on records or their websites; so does Neil Young.

“The problem is ‘analog’ has become a hype word, and most people don’t know how records are made,” says Esposito. “And you can very factually say this record was sourced from the original analog master tape and you’re not lying. But that doesn’t disclose to the consumer what’s going on between the beginning of it and the final product.”

There were no ground rules laid out for Esposito’s July 19 visit. He paid his airfare, and Wood met him at the airport. In the car, Wood confirmed what Esposito had reported in his video.

“They didn’t come off to me as if they were trying to hide anything,” Esposito said.

At MoFi’s headquarters, Esposito looked at tapes and machinery the company uses to master its records. He also saw vintage packaging and advertising materials for past releases, including mock-ups for Beatles reissues. Then he took out his Panasonic camcorder and asked Wood if it was okay for him to set up and do an interview with the three mastering engineers he had met. No problem, they said.

The result is an hour-long conversation that is equally fascinating and confusing. Esposito is not a trained interviewer, and engineers Shawn Britton, Krieg Wunderlich and Rob LoVerde are not trained interviewees. At times, the conversation is stilted and meandering. There are also occasional moments of charm as they connect about their shared passion for music.

Whatever Esposito’s approach, there is no doubt that without him, MoFi’s process would have remained a secret. The engineers, who had stressed the use of tape and working “all analog” in the past, didn’t hesitate to reference the company’s embrace of Direct Stream Digital technology.

Davis, the owner, not only didn’t invite Esposito but also didn’t learn about the visit until after Wood had extended the invitation. He tried to get to Sebastopol for the tour but said that a long line at a rental car check-in left him arriving at MoFi headquarters only after Esposito was finished.

By then, the damage was done. Last week, Wood was asked whether he regretted the interview with the engineers. He broke down.

“I regret everything, man,” he said.

Davis also did not appreciate the interview. Music Direct’s stereo equipment business brings in revenue of more than $40 million a year, and MoFi earned about $9 million last year. But the record company has just a handful of full-time staffers and no crisis-management plan. He doesn’t blame the engineers for what happened

“I mean, it was not a well-thought-out plan,” says Davis. “Let’s put it that way.”

The fallout of the MoFi revelation has thrown the audiophile community into something of an existential crisis. The quality of digitized music has long been criticized because of how much data was stripped out of files so MP3s could fit on mobile devices. But these days, with the right equipment, digital recordings can be so good they can fool even the best ears. Many of MoFi’s now-exposed records were on Fremer and Esposito’s own lists of the best sounding analog albums.

Jamie Howarth, whose Plangent Processes uses digital technology to restore sound and whose work has earned praise for Neil Young and Bruce Springsteen reissues, wishes MoFi had come clean years ago and proudly told its customers that their prized records sounded best because of the digital step. He understands why it didn’t. It was terrified of being attacked by analog-or-bust audiophiles.

“One of the reasons they want to excoriate MoFi is for lying,” says Howarth. “The other part that bothers them is that they’ve been listening to digital all along and they’re highly invested in believing that any digital step will destroy their experience. And they’re wrong.”

Wood says that MoFi decided to add DSD not for convenience but because its engineers felt they could help improve their records. He remembers hearing MoFi’s reissue of Santana’s “Abraxas” in 2016. “My mind was blown when we got the test pressings back,” he said.

Wood says MoFi takes great care in capturing the digital file. It won’t simply accept a link from a record company. If a master tape can’t be couriered to Sebastopol, MoFi will send engineers with their equipment to capture it. Having a file allows them to tinker with the recordings if they’re not pleased with a test pressing and make another. He says he is disappointed in himself for not being upfront but that, from here on out, MoFi will properly label its recordings. A revised One-Step card has already been crafted for upcoming releases featuring Van Halen, Cannonball Adderley and the Eagles.

And Randy Braun, a music lover, Hoffman message board member and lawyer in New York, hopes that, in the end, the MoFi revelation will prove what he’s been saying for years, that the anti-digital crowd has been lying to itself: “These people who claim they have golden ears and can hear the difference between analog and digital, well, it turns out you couldn’t.

| (Latham Green), Friday, 5 August 2022 23:37 (one year ago) link

oops didnt mean to post that

| (Latham Green), Friday, 5 August 2022 23:37 (one year ago) link

the only human I'm aware of with actual golden ears was Glenn Gould, who could famously differentiate between two digital recording machines that had the same specs

thinkmanship (sleeve), Friday, 5 August 2022 23:55 (one year ago) link

That was an ability bestowed on him by the alien symbiote in his neck.

Noel Emits, Saturday, 6 August 2022 00:00 (one year ago) link

lol

thinkmanship (sleeve), Saturday, 6 August 2022 00:00 (one year ago) link

Randy Braun with the slam there at the end of the article, lol

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 6 August 2022 01:06 (one year ago) link

the Michael Fremer bit is ridiculous: why didn't you get me to talk you out of this??

Good article. Seems more like lol @this dishonest, disorganized company than at enthusiasts. That is too funny that the engineers shot the interview without the owner knowing.

maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, 6 August 2022 01:17 (one year ago) link

Oh man, good for a much needed laugh. Audiophiles make themselves easy targets as people who worship gear and generally barely seem interested in music. But I mean, in a burning world, a little harmless schadenfreude is a balm now and then.

Soundslike, Saturday, 6 August 2022 03:18 (one year ago) link

some people's reactions itt remind me of

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_affair

budo jeru, Sunday, 7 August 2022 01:37 (one year ago) link

Ha, good comparison, that.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 7 August 2022 02:18 (one year ago) link

I would love to collaborate on compiling a list of all the audiophiles who claimed they could tell the difference between analog and digital. Mostly just to have a handy list of everyone who is full of shit and to know who you can ignore completely.

brotherlovesdub, Monday, 8 August 2022 16:35 (one year ago) link

You know, philosophically speaking, I think for certain ways of recording and playback:
- It's possible to identify when something was recorded with analogue equipment
- It's possible to identify when something is being played back with analogue equipment

Whether the middle portion, where, for instance, you're creating the negative version that you're going to use to stamp vinyl records, is created from a digital source, can be heard, is negligible. In a completely analogue chain, every step is lossy. Running the master tape degrades the master. Pressing vinyl off of the negative is lossy. They're all lossy in specific, analogue ways but it's all destructive.

So it comes down to whether the current technology to create a digital copy that is not at all lossy once it is in that format is effective. That analogue to digital step has gotten incrementally better over time, to the point where any further refinement is getting infinitesimally small. I'm sure the trve audiophile cult will say that the equipment needs all-gold interconnects or whatever but the machine that reads the actual tape isn't changing (as far as I'm aware) and I would bet the audiophiles would demand the reading of the tape be historically accurate to the time of the recording, too.

Maybe the digitizing step gets better after another decade and more records get stamped with nu-DSD as an interim step or whatever. A lot of these collectors are chasing the dragon here and keep buying the same album repeatedly in some quest to get the best possible version! If anything, adding another step gives them a reason to spend even more money in the future.

tl;dr just buy hot stampers

mh, Monday, 8 August 2022 17:08 (one year ago) link

So it comes down to whether the current technology to create a digital copy that is not at all lossy once it is in that format is effective.
What the MoFi engineers were saying was that the benefits of using a digital transfer (e.g. being able to accurately calibrate the playback for each track) hugely outweight anything that could be "lost" when going to 4xDSD.

Noel Emits, Monday, 8 August 2022 17:16 (one year ago) link

Schadenfreude indeed but...

“One of the reasons they want to excoriate MoFi is for lying,” says Howarth. “The other part that bothers them is that they’ve been listening to digital all along and they’re highly invested in believing that any digital step will destroy their experience. And they’re wrong.”

I feel a little bad for these people. They are, as mentioned, highly invested in these opinions because at the end of the day they just wanted to feel like they're experts in something. This makes them question everything and if this is what they hang their ego-hat on primarily it can be a dizzying splash of cold water.

Evan, Monday, 8 August 2022 17:28 (one year ago) link

they thought that they had heard the 99.9999999% best version of what music could possibly be.
but instead, they were only listening to the 99.999998% best. it breaks 0.00000001% of my heart

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Monday, 8 August 2022 17:31 (one year ago) link

(i haven't read this thread, sorry -- i'm sure there are people out there who lost money or something, or are losing money because of the resale value, those kinds of things. my heart breaks to a greater percentage for them)

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Monday, 8 August 2022 17:32 (one year ago) link

i have been following along with all of this from backstage. obviously i find it hilarious in a point-and-laugh-loudly sort of way, but i also don't want to be an asshole because people did get genuinely duped or bamboozled or whatever.

(but again: comes with the territory imo. like i said i have a few of the older mofi things, but more as a novelty than anything else. i like the emperor's new clothes aspect to the whole recent revelations because i'm a piece of shit who likes to watch other people shoot themselves in the foot.)

ミ💙🅟 🅛 🅤 🅡 🅜 🅑💙彡 (Austin), Monday, 8 August 2022 17:40 (one year ago) link

The reason I have a little trouble mustering a lot of sympathy for these guys is that so many of them spend so much time as gatekeeping assholes sneering at everyone that can't afford $25,000 systems.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 8 August 2022 17:43 (one year ago) link

Tiny violins (perfectly analog recordings of course) for sure but there is this weird horrible feeling when something rocks your worldview... I wonder in the past couple of weeks how many of these silly people were spotted taking long aimless walks in the park, skipping stones and reevaluating their lives and what else they might have going for them.

Evan, Monday, 8 August 2022 17:48 (one year ago) link

yeah, i mean i don't want to actually see anyone suffer or anything but if some snobby gatekeeping prick whose only knowledge of this stuff comes from forums and longform advertisements disguised as specialty mags gets a financial wedgie ... welp lol sucks to be on the other end of the lie, doesn't it? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

i guess i'm thinking of it from another angle . . . like, you just know there's a subgroup of these einsteins that looked at the whole scene as "an investment" or whatever. and —quick reminder again: i'm not a good person fyi— that genuinely makes me laugh. bob seger mofi reissues can only appreciate in value, right?

ミ💙🅟 🅛 🅤 🅡 🅜 🅑💙彡 (Austin), Monday, 8 August 2022 17:54 (one year ago) link

my local record store has a running joke where they hold one of the MoFi covers behind random record sleeves so that the ORIGINAL MASTER RECORDING strip is visible

wow didn't expect them to do a Laurence Welk release, lol

mh, Monday, 8 August 2022 17:54 (one year ago) link

my sense is that MoFi's process probably is really, really good. probably far better than the processes i've used, as an amateur photographer, to scan my film negatives and work with them in a digital space, with all the wonderful tools that that unlocks. so the real hook of this story to me is that MoFi knew they had a great digital process, but just weren't willing to own that and put it upfront in how they talked about what they did. which is shady and dishonest, and also indicates how much "analog" and "digital" are magic words for a lot of their customer base.

in hindsight i feel like they would have been wayyyyy better off if they'd acknowledged these digital intermediary steps from day one, on all the releases that they incorporated, and started warming their market up to the idea over time. invite expert audiophiles in to do blind A/B tests, all that stuff. worst case, some of their experts insist they can hear the difference, and a fissure opens up on the Steve Hoffman forum between those who accept a digital intermediary and those who don't. so what?

Doctor Casino, Monday, 8 August 2022 17:55 (one year ago) link

I have now looked at the page selling the purported one-step releases, and wow, interesting selection

mh, Monday, 8 August 2022 17:55 (one year ago) link

meanwhile of course i'll never buy a MoFi disc because of the hideous label strip ruining the cover art, and permanently damaging the fragile listening experience. this is my audiophilia and i'm sticking to it.

Doctor Casino, Monday, 8 August 2022 17:57 (one year ago) link

I have a 70s MoFi (all analog) copy of Supertramp's Crime of the Century if anyone is interested.

doomposting is the new composting (PBKR), Monday, 8 August 2022 17:59 (one year ago) link

the label strip really does have quite the aesthetic

mh, Monday, 8 August 2022 17:59 (one year ago) link

doc casino otm — same shit with instruments and gear. doesn't matter that boss can put a perfect digital reproduction of a tape echo unit in a compact sized effect pedal — some goober will always seek out an original space echo and fight with it to maintain it and keep it in working order and literally inconvenience their creative process for the sake of "staying analog" or whatever.

tho definitely shady on mofi's end to not disclose the whole process because it doesn't fit with the brand/image.

also this is brilliant:

my local record store has a running joke where they hold one of the MoFi covers behind random record sleeves so that the ORIGINAL MASTER RECORDING strip is visible

wow didn't expect them to do a Laurence Welk release, lol

― mh, Monday, August 8, 2022 10:54 AM

which reminds me: do whatever the hell you want in life, just don't lose your sense of humor, for crying out loud.

ミ💙🅟 🅛 🅤 🅡 🅜 🅑💙彡 (Austin), Monday, 8 August 2022 18:04 (one year ago) link

value hasn't crashed, they don't plan to reduce prices down from e.g. $100 for the upcoming release of Thriller, and the guy who broke the story is seeing an uptick in his MoFi sales.

The more I read, the less I understand. When's the movie?!

maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 8 August 2022 18:20 (one year ago) link

OK, let me pitch you this: we create a record label for audiophiles, and our premiere product line is an all-analogue audio reproduction chain. The kicker? The first step is digitizing from a master tape

mh, Monday, 8 August 2022 18:57 (one year ago) link

we millennials have learned how to best exist on a sense of feigned niche expertise and no gauge of quality, so why not. i'm looking to be swindled just as hard as my patrons.

i'm in.

ミ💙🅟 🅛 🅤 🅡 🅜 🅑💙彡 (Austin), Monday, 8 August 2022 19:09 (one year ago) link

Same - look me in the eye and then swindle me good

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Monday, 8 August 2022 19:09 (one year ago) link

What is most confusing is that their releases rarely seem to be a blow-out favourite of barely any of these guys, among other versions of the same records... ever. Even the ones before they would have had the digital step. Of course the multitude of sour grapes out there at the moment might be clouding the picture.

maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 8 August 2022 19:11 (one year ago) link

I don't think I've ever met one of these type of guys on the internet or elsewhere

marcel the shell with swag on (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 8 August 2022 19:17 (one year ago) link

when i worked at a used record store (that had been around since late 70s/early 80s), we had a section just for mofi pressings. it wasn't very big (maybe between 12-18 inches depth of shelf space at any given time — not even a full row) but nonetheless, we had regulars who only shopped out of that section. i only found out about the hoffman forums when i started posting here and have always wondered if any of those lefsetz wannabes were one of those dudes.

(i have just assumed this whole time that at least one of them was. he was *that* type, iykwim. always time to go on break when i saw that guy walk in.)

ミ💙🅟 🅛 🅤 🅡 🅜 🅑💙彡 (Austin), Monday, 8 August 2022 19:32 (one year ago) link

xxxxxp When Arcade Fire released The Suburbs for CD and digital downloads, instead of mastering it from the first generation master tape (or whatever form it came in), they mastered it from the 12" lacquers made for the vinyl release, which makes absolutely no sense to me. Combined with how many vinyl releases out there sell well even when cut from redbook PCM digital files, it kind of suggests a ridiculous vinyl fetish that has nothing to do with actual quality.

birdistheword, Monday, 8 August 2022 19:33 (one year ago) link


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