In the recent Nothin' But a Good Time hair metal oral history book, a lot of the bands talk about the ballads that way.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 3 August 2022 19:06 (seven months ago) link
I think some of that is the misogyny that, while not being unique to hair metal, did manifest itself in a fairly unique way: Ballads were for the girls and the bands wanted to attract girls. They likely considered this pandering. Maybe not all of the bands but a lot of them, I'd bet.
Although now that I think about it, there's nothing unique about not taking what teenage girls liked seriously, even among those who were creating for them. It's a common thread throughout time really.
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Wednesday, 3 August 2022 22:24 (seven months ago) link
― enochroot, Thursday, 4 August 2022 22:47 (seven months ago) link
How good were these ballads on average? They can't all have succeeded at writing these songs grudgingly?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 5 August 2022 17:58 (seven months ago) link
Judas Priest - Dreamer Deceiverhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjMizl3qQGE
― Nabozo, Friday, 5 August 2022 19:01 (seven months ago) link
Bath (maudlin of the Well) is pretty ballady in a surreal sense: you can choose from Geography, Heaven and Weak, or Birth Pains of Astral Projectionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBjQv1hZLoY
― Nabozo, Friday, 5 August 2022 19:26 (seven months ago) link
yeah I was gonna say I dig dreamer deceiver and also “before the dawn”
― brimstead, Friday, 5 August 2022 19:37 (seven months ago) link
IM GOING THROUGH CHANGEHHHHEHEHEZZZ
― brimstead, Friday, 5 August 2022 19:38 (seven months ago) link
"Victim of Changes" was the big "You think he can still pull it off?" moment when I saw Judas Priest in 2007. (Yes, he could.)
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 5 August 2022 20:01 (seven months ago) link
Actually the best metal ballads are dark and scary, about suicide or death or unrelenting misery Those are the ones I love.
Example: Accept -Can't Stand the Night
"Oceans filled with tears / mountains of pain..."
― I Met Mr. Mathis (I M Losted), Monday, 8 August 2022 19:32 (seven months ago) link
scorpions “in trance” is about being hungover
― brimstead, Monday, 8 August 2022 19:41 (seven months ago) link
Savatage - When the Crowds are Gone, Believe, Strange WingsW.A.S.P. - Hold On to My HeartQueensryche - Open Road (this is post-Tate Ryche but pretty fantastic), Take Hold of the FlameIron Maiden - Remember Tomorrow, Blood BrothersJudas Priest - Before the Dawn (i sang this at a a fundraiser once, lol)Pantera - HollowType O Negative - Everything DiesSouls at Zero - Inside a ScreamNevermore - Dreaming Neon BlackRage - Vanished in HazeBlack Sabbath - Solitude, ChangesBlind Guardian - NightfallHelloween - A Tale That Wasn't RightGhost - He Is
― We were clothed, except for Caan, who was naked. Don't know why. (Neanderthal), Monday, 8 August 2022 19:47 (seven months ago) link
dammit I duped a few
Great thread! One song that I feel has "ballad" at its heart even though it doesn't musically stay within the mold is Danger by Motley Crue. Even though it jumps into mid-tempo rocker territory pretty quickly, it definitely starts off as a ballad, so maybe it's kinda a hybrid. It has dramatic lyrics reminiscing about dead friends from the perspective of an older Hollywood street punk.
― peace, man, Monday, 8 August 2022 20:28 (seven months ago) link
― calstars, Tuesday, 9 August 2022 00:19 (seven months ago) link
Def Leppard- love bitesOzzy- Goodbye to RomanceEnuff Z’nuff- Fly High MichelleScorpions- Still Loving You
― F'kin Magnetometers, how do they work? (President Keyes), Tuesday, 9 August 2022 00:46 (seven months ago) link
Wow, “hallowed ground” really rocks
― calstars, Tuesday, 9 August 2022 01:11 (seven months ago) link
Ozzy + Lita Ford - If I Close My Eyes ForeverQueensryche - I Dream In InfraredJudas Priest - Night Comes DownWhitesnake - Is This LoveScorpions - Lady Starlight
― vmajestic, Tuesday, 9 August 2022 02:11 (seven months ago) link