Anarchists Watch THE ANARCHISTS ON HBO

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meanwhile, there are a couple new members of the anarchist community center I was helping for a little over a year who want to make a documentary about the place, and I am watching this show thinking about that ...

sarahell, Friday, 29 July 2022 18:06 (one year ago) link

I assume these people have some interesting opinions about pinochet

Left, Friday, 29 July 2022 18:25 (one year ago) link

Adding "pump and dump tweets about our new NFT line" to the chore wheel

papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 29 July 2022 18:27 (one year ago) link

sarahell, do you know anyone who was in the Diggers? I mostly know about them from Emmett Grogan's Ringolevio: A Life Played For Keeps. They gave food away in the Haight etc.:got donations from food places, dumpster dove, stole it. One of Grogan's colleagues in there is the actor Peter Coyote (also maybe the basis of Joni Mitchell's song "Coyote").

dow, Friday, 29 July 2022 18:29 (one year ago) link

I have met at least one former Digger ... they were influential on a lot of counterculture stuff in the Bay Area in the following decades, so I am somewhat familiar with their history.

sarahell, Friday, 29 July 2022 18:45 (one year ago) link

Good Diggers interview here:
https://diggersdocs.home.blog/2022/03/05/we-had-a-far-more-profound-effect/

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 29 July 2022 18:45 (one year ago) link

Christopher Hill's The World Turned Upside Down is a great read on the original (17th century) Diggers (and Levellers and Ranters and etc.)

papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 29 July 2022 18:48 (one year ago) link

Cool thanks yall!

Also, several years ago I read a dispatch from a war correspondent embedded with the Kurds in Syria: these are not the PKK (Marxist) Kurds, although Ertgun hates and wants to bite them all. These are inspired by the writings of an American libertarian, I think Murray Rothbard, or another Murray? They want nothing or as little as possible to do with what they agree with Ralph Nader is Corporate Socialism, also corporations with private armies, anything corporate, which comes from contract law and the courts, and is another form of Big Government anyway.
(I've seen some American believers at FreedomFest, or whatever that thing is on C-SPAN some years: tending to live in the woods, emerging to sell handcrafts etc., bartering whenevr possible.).
So the Kurds in Syria, the ones that this correspondent was with, were tribes, coming together to fight Isis and keep prisoners. When Americans left, the Kurds fled, because Ertegun, and the prisoners escaped. But the Kurds made a deal with the Syrian Government, who protected them from the Turks, while they reeled in as many Isis as possible. Dunno if part of the deal was also going against the Syrian rebels, or how any of that's going now.

dow, Friday, 29 July 2022 18:52 (one year ago) link

I don't know how this relates to governance of the Kurdish Enclave in Iraq.

dow, Friday, 29 July 2022 18:54 (one year ago) link

I'm pretty annoyed about this show's title. People already generally have no clue what anarchism actually means or what anarchists actually believe. It's annoying to see a legitimate political ideology with a centuries long tradition of philosophy and theory reduced to "punk kid trying to be badass", or "January 6th rioter", or "crank who thinks nothing in society should follow any form of organization". This just muddies the waters further.

OneSecondBefore, Friday, 29 July 2022 18:57 (one year ago) link

idk, I have recently watched that Netflix series that had episodes about neo-Nazis, another Netflix show about the Revenge Porn guy, and the Showtime miniseries The Comey Rule ... the ancaps are nowhere near the literal worst people compared to the subjects of these shows, and there was only so much I could stomach at once.

― sarahell

yeah i was just exaggerating there, sorry about that

Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 29 July 2022 19:05 (one year ago) link

rojava was ostensibly inspired by murray bookchin who for all his flaws was a genuinely left wing libertarian socialist (he'd probably hate that) who'd have no time for these clowns- rothbard is a very different proposition

rojava/AANES not doing great atm afaict but it's not their fault

Left, Friday, 29 July 2022 19:30 (one year ago) link

It's annoying to see a legitimate political ideology with a centuries long tradition of philosophy and theory reduced to "punk kid trying to be badass", or "January 6th rioter", or "crank who thinks nothing in society should follow any form of organization". This just muddies the waters further.

the punk kids can be okay, they are mostly action without theory, but the other two categories ... wrong philosophy and theory.

sarahell, Friday, 29 July 2022 20:03 (one year ago) link

xp Left -- Bookchin! Now that's a familiar name I had expected to get dropped.

sarahell, Friday, 29 July 2022 20:04 (one year ago) link

Meanwhile ... Chicago dude who was sponging off his wife complains that his house actually is property of the community in terms of building and land use regulations ... which, yes, there are a lot of problematic things about building permits and land use regulations, but I strongly doubt that the problem he had with them personally was a symptom of "statist" oppression, as opposed to the many many ways these systems contribute to the affordable housing crisis.

sarahell, Friday, 29 July 2022 20:08 (one year ago) link

I think if I watched this I would become unhealthily enraged

thinkmanship (sleeve), Saturday, 30 July 2022 04:26 (one year ago) link

enraged + triggered tbh

sarahell, Saturday, 30 July 2022 06:08 (one year ago) link

four weeks pass...

rojava/AANES not doing great atm afaict but it's not their fault

― Left, Friday, July 29, 2022
update:https://www.politico.com/newsletters/national-security-daily/2022/08/26/what-are-we-still-doing-in-syria-00053898

dow, Saturday, 27 August 2022 20:42 (one year ago) link


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