Star Trek: Classic or Dud?

That and "you got this".

Maybe I'm being cantankerous but I thought the Mirror Universe stuff was bad fanservice! (Same goes for PIC even though I think technically what we saw wasn't MU.) They should've just left it as a goofy one-offs like DS9 did, not whole season-long arcs.

mirror universe was what finally got me onboard iirc

MU stuff went on too long but it started off pretty funny - dominatrix Tilly lol

give her the respect she deserves, it's KILLY

mirror universe was fun at first, and i suppose you have to go there if that's your endgame with lorca

absolutely no need to go back in s03 tho

IMO MU is worse in DS( (Im watching DS9 at the mo). Kira's MU version is SO hammy.

Worse in DS9 that should have said.

Love hammy Kira

the DS9 mirror episodes are all kind of goofy, at least, unlike 'let's teach space nazi a two-episode lesson in flashback and then have everyone mysteriously mourn her'

also everyone -- kira not at all least -- does a nice job of chewing every bit of scenery in sight

DS9 did a weird job of MU, but the Benny episodes and the actual time traveling to California are great

Those who really like MU Tilly and, oddly, Chase Masterson’s character should try playing Star Trek Online where they’re all over the place

RIP Nichelle Nichols

RIP wonderful lady <3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hs4mbHLAFuU

Damn. RIP. And I was just thinking of rewatching the execrable ST V, featuring Uhura's insane fan dance. And oh crap, David Warner is in that one, as well, isn't he?

The doc about nichele nichols & integration of nasa space program- Woman In Motion - is on paramount plus & well worth a watch

drunk history version if u dont have p+
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-uJOzkrJV4

smithsonian posted a photo of her red uniform & i lost it

https://www.instagram.com/p/CgsHKsRPgoJ/

"Damn. RIP. And I was just thinking of rewatching the execrable ST V, featuring Uhura's insane fan dance. And oh crap, David Warner is in that one, as well, isn't he?"

He was also in VI - in which Uhura has to flip through a Klingon-English dictionary in order to answer a Klingon hail, despite the fact that (as Nichols herself pointed out to the director) she was the head of communications on Starfleet's flagship.

The films didn't utilise her very well. Even when communicating with the baddies was the focus it was done by Kirk or Spock, e.g. in The Motion Picture, where Spock works out that V'Ger is using a NASA code at a high frequency.

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/styles/full_width/public/thumbnails/image/enterprise_rollout_at_palmdale_w_star_trek_crew_sep_17_1976_0.jpg?itok=h2O-JhNy

had no idea about this which is kind of amazing

She often recalled how Martin Luther King Jr. was a fan of the show and praised her role. She met him at a civil rights gathering in 1967, at a time when she had decided not to return for the show’s second season.

“When I told him I was going to miss my co-stars and I was leaving the show, he became very serious and said, ‘You cannot do that,’” she told The Tulsa (Okla.) World in a 2008 interview.

“‘You’ve changed the face of television forever, and therefore, you’ve changed the minds of people,’” she said the civil rights leader told her.

She definitely was mis- and under-used a lot both in the show and the movies, but she was able to be memorable when actually given the chance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPQvVBaOx2E

I’m curious how much Celia Rose Gooding’s role on SNW has been structured to attempt to balance that out

Can't find a YT of it, but Nichelle Nichols has a small, but memorable part in Mister Buddwing - a 1966 film where amnesiac James Garner wanders the streets of Manhattan in search of his identity while a hip Kenyon Hopkins soundtrack plays.

she also plays the villain in the fun Isaac Hayes film Truck Turner

Got the hyperfancy boxset of the updated Motion Picture cut and no regrets. But even the basic one will get you the new commentary from the production team (aka the ones who worked with Wise on the original director's cut as well) and some good short documentary stuff and more deleted scenes/behind the scenes/technical stuff.

stumbling upon this (already ten year old) rememberance from my buddy bob greenberger reminded me that i was at the 1st star trek convention. i am the "cohort" he mentions; we were in the same grade in school.
https://www.startrek.com/article/celebrating-40-years-since-treks-1st-convention

The modern Star Trek family now includes an ongoing series for every taste: Discovery for those who enjoy the high stakes and high drama of the modern feature films, Strange New Worlds for those who prefer the classic format and a lighter touch, Lower Decks for die-hard, trivia-loving Trekkies, Prodigy for young newcomers looking for an introduction to the universe, and Picard for… someone, theoretically.

https://www.polygon.com/23345284/star-trek-tv-show-best-start

Discovery for those who enjoy the high stakes and high drama of the modern feature films

psh, I like the Abrams Treks but Discovery is still pretty much unwatchable

Hello — so I finished all 7 seasons of NextGen : D

I am more of a fan of the series (and understand more references on Lower Decks now) but I will say that as a whole it felt kinda unsatisfying- not enough arcs? like i **loved** any of the klingon arcs, or what little they did w the borg but sooooo many one-off faffing about episodes got a bit tedious personally.

that being said i get why people love it & why there’s such a diehard fanbase but i think for TNG ~for me~ it may also come down to a “you had to be there”? there’s not a lot of visual charm. hotel conference center chic doesn’t really do it for me interior-wise, having lived through the 90’s i dont have nostalgia for that specifically lol

but inject Whoopi’s Guinan into my veins, i love her forever obv

And now… onto Voyager.
http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0575/8445/1743/products/plateshimmer_3_1200x1200.gif?v=1630002099

(i assume you’ve already watched ds9?)

voyager is not great but it has its moments, most of which involve either the doctor or seven of nine (and the latter only shows up in season four)

brad dourif tho

also you can and absolutely should skip the two ‘holodeck irish village’ episodes, because good lord

I have to say that out of all the previous Treks, I think Disco shares the most with Voyager in terms of writing and not really laying down the basis for interesting characters. It was also corny in a way that couldn't abide by.

> voyager is not great but it has its moments, most of which involve either the doctor or seven of nine

"this creature has an exoskeleton"

yes i’ve already seen DS9 a couple of times (that was the first series I ever fully dug into start to finish when it first came out on dvd & they had those cool season box sets)

my impression of voyager s1 two-parter is that the quotient of mildly attractive guys (paris, chakotay, kim, tuvok kinda) is already much higher in this show than TNG so they have my interest

still on my first watchthru of TNG. i'm taking my time with it, started in the summer, currently at the beginning of s4

i love it so much, really don't want it to end. i know i'll rewatch it but i'm trying to savour every moment

i've read that people suggest skipping s1 and s2, which is insane to me. they're so great

i know what you mean about the one-off episodes, VG. some are clunkers. and sometimes there are multiple in a row that can be a real drag. but the cast is so strong that they make all but the worst episodes worthwhile imo

borg are just incredible. i'm kind of shocked those episodes aired on regular tv in 1989. they're scary!

that being said i get why people love it & why there’s such a diehard fanbase but i think for TNG ~for me~ it may also come down to a “you had to be there”?

It really was a case of an accident working out, in many ways, and retrospectively the gamble on a non-network/non-cable live action series -- it was syndicated! insane to think about from this distance -- was kinda nuts; there's no way that Babylon 5 would have gotten any similar traction with their path if TNG hadn't shown it could be done, and I very much doubt an original non-franchise series could have been the trailblazer too. And in practical terms there really wasn't anything else around out there that fit the bill -- I'm wracking my brain to think of what other mid-late 80s new TV sf was out there pre- or just after TNG hit and all I can think of are the 80s Twilight Zone as well as Amazing Stories and of course both were anthologies; V as a TV series had only lasted a season and was done in '85. TNG really had the field to itself as best as I can remember, so a lot of people invested in it and I sure did out of the gate. (The great exception for a lot of us would probably be Robotech but of course that was its own hammered-together mythos for an American audience as well as being animation; add on Transformers et al if you like but the point remains that TNG as live action held its own space for a while there.)

I like Voyager, the show is much more about the characters’ relationships than in TNG— of course I like TNG better, but a deep soft spot for Voyager

Table otm voyager is lovely

7, doc, tuvok, neelix all great characters IMO

Yes almost all of the humans are awful but the non humans carry it

tuvix

Poor Picard - he had to go through a lot of shit.
Riker had a much better time.

FWIW

https://trekmovie.com/2022/10/28/kate-mulgrew-reveals-the-conditions-she-gave-alex-kurtzman-for-a-return-as-live-action-janeway/

"There’s been a hue and a cry of late." Im always pleased to see this phrase used

It’s weird to say Mulgrew was undeserved by seven seasons of an hourlong show in which she was the top-billed character, but imo the character really lacked definition except for rare moments of kickassitude when under duress. But seemed like a waste of a good performer.

Is Mulgrew subtweeeting Picard?

We need a passionate love affair between Picard and Janeway on the holodeck (and then the real Janeway discovers it)

Passionate love affair between picard and katie o’claire

Sorry - katie o’clare

Passionate love affair between Janeway and Seven much more appealing, just saying— Seven as hard femme top and Janeway as soft femme bottom, whew. (My dyke friends agree with me).

supposedly mulgrew was furious when jeri ryan was brought on and personally treated her like shit. so make it a hate fuck

If Geneviève Bujold had stuck with the gig, Janeway and Picard could have ended up shouting weird space French at each other.