the anti-all-nba. the no-nba if u will.
xp
― terence trent d'ilfer (m bison), Tuesday, 19 July 2022 00:35 (one year ago) link
They made the playoffs for the second time in forever
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 19 July 2022 00:35 (one year ago) link
They were fun to watch
i ended up voting wolves. the history of horrendous is too deep and too rich. the 2009 draft alone...
― Spottie, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 00:36 (one year ago) link
i think i would've taken the wolves out of consideration for this given last season but they made a trade so insane that it has singlehandedly screeched the NBA trade market to a halt. that has to put them right back in the mix
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 19 July 2022 00:43 (one year ago) link
i think i'm going wizards. this offseason is just too catastrophic, a culmination of their incredibly stupid approach to running a basketball team.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 00:44 (one year ago) link
that's completely defensible
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 19 July 2022 00:46 (one year ago) link
a huge upset that the cavs have fallen outside of the top 5 here, tho i think i'd rank them number 6. but still -- progress!
cavs look good for the future and they cd sign bron again next year, good 4 them
― terence trent d'ilfer (m bison), Tuesday, 19 July 2022 00:47 (one year ago) link
it seems like gilbert's health stuff has taken him away from the franchise and prob brought some stability there. their track record outside of being gifted the presence of lebron was as poor as any of these teams until basically last season. i still don't trust koby altman but the garland and mobley picks have them set up to be firmly outside of trainwreck status for a decent while prob
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 19 July 2022 00:49 (one year ago) link
honestly theres ~five defensible choices here.
― Spottie, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 00:50 (one year ago) link
yeah i don't trust the cavs overall but drafting garland and mobley and getting jarrett allen for nothing is an undeniably nice run.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 00:51 (one year ago) link
Yah they seem to be set up for a nice future.I really like the lakers as a choice here too. A bit Hard to include them cos the fact they’re in southern CA and have the clout so they’ll always have stars to bail them out. but it’s easy to forget the magic fiasco was just a short while ago. And the rwb signing.
― Spottie, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 00:56 (one year ago) link
yeah for sure. there's no real qualifications for running a basketball franchise -- or doing it well, anyway -- but when you have someone in the job who is there only via inheritance that's a major red flag. they lucked into a title by trading a bunch of shit for davis and most crucially catching the league in a weird year -- the warriors decimated by injuries, KD was out that entire year, kawhi had switched teams taking the defending champs out of contention -- but outside of that one season it's basically been constant drama and really poor seasons. i mean, to miss the playoffs 2 out of 3 years with lebron on your team should basically be an automatic inclusion in this discussion
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 19 July 2022 01:03 (one year ago) link
the lakers definitely have a case. because they're such a weird organization, they've actually done well with some low-end draft pick and player development stuff, while also making huge mistakes everywhere else.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 01:25 (one year ago) link
If the Lakers franchise has a shot, then the Noel>Okafor>Simmons>Fultz>Colangelo's Burner>Zhaire Smith/Mikal Bridges gives the Sixers a shot.
― doomposting is the new composting (PBKR), Tuesday, 19 July 2022 02:17 (one year ago) link
Rough… but being in contention with embiid in the roster kinda masks a lot of that
― Spottie, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 04:44 (one year ago) link
tbh you could argue for the sixers to be in the bottom 10… even after all the hinkie bullshit mentioned above they ran a no 1 pick out of town and had to attach two firsts and one of their best role players to take back a “star” who might singlehandedly tank embiid’s prime. we’re two seasons away from embiid entering his 30s without ever appearing in a conference finals game which would make a great case for the sixers being high up in this discussion. and there’s no way anyone would put them in the top 2 of the east heading into the year
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 19 July 2022 04:47 (one year ago) link
Also the whole Jimmy butler thing
― Spottie, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 05:04 (one year ago) link
you guys are being pretty harsh toward a franchise that won the title just two years ago and five more since 2000
are they fucked now? very possibly, but banners hang forever. can’t believe you’re putting them in the same conversation with the kings or wizards
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 05:35 (one year ago) link
well if we’re being honest they won the title two years ago bcuz they were in the city of LA and lebron wanted to live there for lifestyle/business reasons and then his agent/business partner forced his star client to their team via trade. if there was ever a title where you could give the franchise little to no credit, it’s that one (and lebron’s title in cleveland, lol). they’re def not in the same tier as the wizards or kings but the constant drama out of there and stuff that trickles out from time to time about how jeanie buss runs things is really unflattering. their GM’s main qualification for the job was having been kobe’s agent. i think if you were gonna list out qualities of successful franchises the lakers of the last 10 years would tick very few of those boxes they just… happen to be the lakers.
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 19 July 2022 06:01 (one year ago) link
this woj column from 2008 on the disbelief across the league over what the lakers were allowed to trade for pau gasol is a good re-read… shit like this has been keeping them afloat for a long ass time now https://news.yahoo.com/memphis-owner-now-questions-value-184500409--nba.html
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 19 July 2022 06:04 (one year ago) link
lakers are the only team left that isnt owned by some hedge fund guy and its starting to show, theyre just not as professional as the rest of the league, they are still the lakers tho
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 12:39 (one year ago) link
― J0rdan S., Monday, July 18, 2022 8:43 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
yeah i voted wolves just because they traded seven picks for the lamest player in the league, the real answer is prob the kings tho
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 12:41 (one year ago) link
Permission requested to add the Phoenix suns into bottom ten consideration
Goran Dragic reveals that Suns owner Robert Sarver was “happy” he didn’t make the All-Star game in 2013-2014:Sarver came to Dragic in the gym after hearing the news and told him he was “glad” he now didn’t have to pay him his $1M ASG bonus.(via Frojlke z Googyem Pod) pic.twitter.com/NJvOQLvuIY— ProCity Hoops (@ProCityHoops) July 19, 2022
― Spottie, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 15:37 (one year ago) link
typical shit that bosses think is a funny joke
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 15:43 (one year ago) link
suns really should be on here as long as sarver is the owner.. which may come to an end soon? is that ever gonna get resolved?
― Spottie, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 16:11 (one year ago) link
speaking of the wizards. from hollinger's summer league write up...
Johnny Davis, Washington: Look, I was down on him heading into the draft, but I wasn’t this down on him. Davis played three games for the Wizards and never got going, shooting 8 of 27 and making a limited impact in the other box score categories. Washington had him mostly playing off the ball, which also was how he played at Wisconsin, but it was odd to see how uninvolved he was given the lottery pick investment in him. Overall, his 4.9 PER was the third-worst of any draftee in summer league, and the other two weren’t lottery picks.
The greater question resulting from his performance is the one of what his differentiating skill is at the pro level. He can jump and defend but he doesn’t have a point guard’s handle, is not a knockdown 3-point shooter and the midrangers he subsisted on in college are much tougher looks against NBA length. Perhaps his struggles in Vegas only end up as a mere blip, but perhaps it’s a sign of something more serious.
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 19 July 2022 17:49 (one year ago) link
wizards first round picks since bradley beal:
otto porterjerian granttroy brown jrrui hachimuradeni avdijacorey kispert
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 19 July 2022 17:52 (one year ago) link
oof
― Spottie, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 17:57 (one year ago) link
thats not good
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 17:59 (one year ago) link
washington wound up with kelly oubre in the jerian grant year
― in places all over the world, real stuff be happening (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 19 July 2022 18:01 (one year ago) link
not a major difference maker, but he's prob the second-best player out of that bunch lol
and he was better at prob every other stop after that (warriors aside)
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 19 July 2022 18:02 (one year ago) link
after watching him for a full season i can safely say oubre is a net negative player. but yeah still the 2nd best on there.
― Spottie, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 18:04 (one year ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Wednesday, 20 July 2022 00:01 (one year ago) link
the once and future kings
― terence trent d'ilfer (m bison), Wednesday, 20 July 2022 00:02 (one year ago) link
lol at whoever voted celtics tho
solid bottom 6 there
― Spottie, Wednesday, 20 July 2022 00:04 (one year ago) link
This is wild. 😳(h/t @ClutchPointsApp) pic.twitter.com/muSmsgYZJZ— Hoop Central (@TheHoopCentral) July 20, 2022
― terence trent d'ilfer (m bison), Wednesday, 20 July 2022 20:26 (one year ago) link
Incredible
― Spottie, Wednesday, 20 July 2022 20:45 (one year ago) link
wha lol
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 20 July 2022 21:02 (one year ago) link
hornets been running away with this over the last year. i think theyve taken the title back as the original winner:
As of July 2019, which is the historically worst NBA franchise?
kings, knicks, and even the wolves have turned it around a bit. ant doing a lot of heavy lifting for the wolves but he cant be ignored.
― infinite wiggles (Spottie), Tuesday, 10 October 2023 06:56 (six months ago) link
meant to post this at the end of that:
I have officially requested to be traded from the Charlotte Hornets. #GOATLIFE— Kai Jones (@242_jones) October 9, 2023
― infinite wiggles (Spottie), Tuesday, 10 October 2023 06:57 (six months ago) link
it's almost a retroactive argument since both ownership groups have changed but i wouldn't count the wolves out of this discussion just yet...
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 10 October 2023 17:07 (six months ago) link
goat life
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 10 October 2023 17:19 (six months ago) link
― infinite wiggles (Spottie), Tuesday, 10 October 2023 18:57 (six months ago) link
xp not really the right thread for it but i wasn't really grokking this whole kai jones situation so i took a look at his twitter, dude seems very clearly to be going through a serious mental health challenge, possibly exacerbated by being very online. there are pics where he's written things like goat life all over the walls of his house. sad shit
― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Wednesday, 11 October 2023 13:30 (six months ago) link
i mean to be clear i'm not ruling out the role that playing for the charlotte hornets can play in a mental health crisis
― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Wednesday, 11 October 2023 13:31 (six months ago) link
yeah he's in a really tough spot
― oatly carmichael (m bison), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 13:56 (six months ago) link
Oh all I saw was the trade request. Hope he gets help
― infinite wiggles (Spottie), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 14:41 (six months ago) link
might need to do a new poll. our top three have turned things around a bit. think the current rankings would be:
1 - Wizards2 - Pistons3 - Hornets4 - Nets5 - Blazers
― infinite wiggles (Spottie), Monday, 26 February 2024 22:54 (one month ago) link
oh idk man, it feels like the pistons are the 73 win warriors of this poll right now
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Monday, 26 February 2024 23:01 (one month ago) link
yeah it’s pistons then a giant gap then everyone else
― call all destroyer, Monday, 26 February 2024 23:03 (one month ago) link
kudos to the past winners for finding success so quickly
― lag∞n, Monday, 26 February 2024 23:06 (one month ago) link
pistons at least have some interesting players in ivey, cade and duren. the wizards have no young players and are locked in with poole and kuzma.
plus, it needs to be noted that the pistons and wizards have the same amount of losses at this moment (48) and the wizards have lost 11 in a row.
― infinite wiggles (Spottie), Monday, 26 February 2024 23:13 (one month ago) link
plus ausar
― infinite wiggles (Spottie), Monday, 26 February 2024 23:14 (one month ago) link
kings was offtm here whoops. pistons, wiz, hornets are the clear top 3 right now
― ciderpress, Monday, 26 February 2024 23:16 (one month ago) link
the hornets are off the board for me because they just changed ownership and did make some good trades at the deadline. MJ may have also gotten the miller pick right on the way out the door
the wiz also have a new front office that hasn't done much yet so i'm putting them to the side. taking on the poole contract was a bad idea, though
1. pistons
don't think much needs to be said here. the GM has made a number of mind boggling decisions. the decisions they have gotten right are being undermined by the coach. spottie is right that they have more talent than some of these other teams, but that's a different question than who is being run the worst. cade for one was just the lottery balls hitting right. the GM/coach combo here is catastrophic.
2. bulls
i mean, wow. the ownership seems as bad as any other coach or owner on this list, they should potentially be first. at least the pistons owner was willing to spend $85 million on a coach, even if he picked the wrong one. the bulls seem obstinately focused on making the first round of the playoffs, and their GM is so bad that they may not accomplish even that for two seasons in a row. basically everything that has happened here has been bad, signing derozan and caruso stick out as good moves, caruso in particular. but of course they've refused to cash him in. the GM's quotes after the deadline in particular made one question whether there is an alternate reality that others may be experiencing. i don't think there's a single fanbase that more loathes their franchise than this one.
3. nets
it feels like they have been driven straight into a ditch. the KD and kyrie trades were both heists but it already feels like the potential of those trades has gone unfulfilled, which shouldn't be the case. it's inconceivable they didn't trade bridges and/or finney smith at the deadline, it's not like they're winning games. taking on ben simmons and apparently actually depending on him to some degree, good god. maybe they bite the bullet in the offseason on some of those guys in which case i'd prob take them off this list, but as long as they're attempting whatever this is they have to be up here.
4. raptors
that flag will fly forever for masai but their last several years have been extremely baffling, i don't think i agreed w/ taking back quickley and barrett in the OG trade instead of hunting for picks. their roster is young but not really that young. they don't seem to be rebuilding, but it's also hard to see how they get above play in territory for the next few seasons. the poetl thing. not getting anything for FVV. lots of stuff that seemed bad at the time and isn't looking any better.
5. hawks
i'm sensing a pattern here. i mean, going back to passing on luka... it's worth remembering their prize for that was *one* top 5 protected first round pick -- !!! ONE !!! -- which they used on cam reddish. the de'andre hunter fiasco from trade to contract. john collins. there is of course some good stuff in here, bogdanovic altho his knees give out in the playoffs, okongwu pick and contract was nice. jalen johnson looking nice. but this is still a bottom 10 team by winning % this year and it's not looking like the murray trade is working nor can they apparently recoup the value on him, at least at the moment. what is the avenue for this team getting significantly better in the next 5 years? even in a scenario where they trade trae, dejounte murray as your best player = rebuild land. we have no idea if landry fields is a good GM but i'm not optimistic.
my no 6 would be portland but i'm willing to give cronin some more time, parts of the dame trade were smart. would prob put dallas 7
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 27 February 2024 00:05 (one month ago) link
the pistons have done some weird stuff no doubt and bcuz of the van gundy era/blake griffin deal you could totally throw them in here. but the draft has fallen their way the last few years so they’ll prob end up ok
― J0rdan S., Thursday, July 7, 2022 1:56 PM (one year ago)
"one year ago"
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 27 February 2024 00:10 (one month ago) link
tough out there
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 27 February 2024 00:44 (one month ago) link
that's a pretty good list. the nets and more so the raptors are in a strange place where they were considered some of the smarter teams, and now have both unclear strategic direction as well as discrete moves that were just objectively bad moves.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 27 February 2024 01:45 (one month ago) link
becoming a poorly run franchise happens slowly, then all at once
― Clay, Tuesday, 27 February 2024 01:47 (one month ago) link
oh i didnt realize the wiz had a new FO
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 27 February 2024 01:48 (one month ago) link
yeah michael winger from the clippers braintrust is overseeing the teardown there.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 27 February 2024 01:52 (one month ago) link
pistons owning the absurdly bad moves signifiers like drafting killian hayes then giving monty a huge contract then having to release hayes so monty will stop playing him
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 27 February 2024 02:50 (one month ago) link
They also traded a rotation wing that they drafted (bey) for wiseman
― infinite wiggles (Spottie), Tuesday, 27 February 2024 03:00 (one month ago) link
they did the same thing with marvin bagley III. traded stuff nobody else would trade to get him, signed him to an extension nobody else would give him, and then had to unload two seconds to the wizards to move off the money (for what purpose only god knows)
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 27 February 2024 03:01 (one month ago) link
Yep when they already had duren, wiseman and beef stew lol
― infinite wiggles (Spottie), Tuesday, 27 February 2024 03:03 (one month ago) link