REM: Classic or dud?

Think they used to encore w "Don't Fear The Reaper" and maybe "Pretty Ballerina" occasionally.

"So. Central Rain (I'm Smelly)"

Nice to see Bill Berry having fun with fellow old people:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDU-tmoRqvQ

Largely shot at Berry’s home in Athens, the video also features appearances by Mike Mills of R.E.M., Vanessa Briscoe Hay of Pylon, Bob Hay of the Squalls, Frank McDonald of The Glands, a namechecked Jody Stephens of Big Star, music producer David Barbe (also of Bob Mould’s Sugar)

I guess the whole album is out now, too.

On the desk in his personal office, Fetterman found a handwritten note of well-wishes from the alternative rock band R.E.M., along with a gift: a hoodie.

Does this mean REM reunited to write Fetterman a note?

Is he known to be a fan or something?

A gesture of sympathy from one famous stroke victim to another, no?

Just paid a visit to REM HQ... nice little reflections here on Murmur's 40th anniversary: https://remhq.com/news/memories-of-murmur/

Top 10 REM tracks picked by Stipe, Buck, Mills and Berry (with no overlap apparently allowed)

Just for fun, the guys put together a playlist of their 40 favorite R.E.M. songs. Each picked 10 songs & the results are quite interesting. Michael's are 1-10, Peter's 11-20, Mike's 21-30, & Bill's 31-40. Check it out & let us know your own favorites.https://t.co/gWEDTM7E3F pic.twitter.com/XKfnun2NGW

— R.E.M. HQ (@remhq) July 25, 2023

Voice of Harold!

Damn I love Voice of Harold. I was glad to see Flowers of Guatemala in Michael’s picks.

Wow Stipe @ thinking Electron Blue is one of their best songs

I have a faint memory of him making that claim in a 2004 interview.

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Strongly agree, FoG would easily be in my REMPOX at this point in my life

Assuming I'm all better, on Sunday I'm going to see Michael Shannon, backed by Jason Narducy (on guitar), Jon Wurster (I think), and a few other ringers do "Murmur" in its entirety, plus other choice selections.

Can someone print those lists out? I don't pay for subs to any of those services, a little annoyed that this is the world we live in.

Or, copy-paste them here— not print them out lol

I commented to REM HQ that they should at least add it to a few more of the major streaming services (why go halfway?)

Stipe -

World Leader Pretend
Country Feedback
Strange Currencies
The Lifting
Electron Blue
Supernatural Superserious
Oh My Heart
We All Go Back To Where We Belong
The Flowers Of Guatemala
Half A World Away

Buck -

Feeling Gravity's Pull
So. Central Rain
Walk Unafraid
You're In The Air
Discoverer
All The Way To Reno
Try Not To Breathe
Undertow
Electrolite
Finest Worksong

Mills -

Wolves, Lower
Pilgrimage
I Believe
It's The End Of The World...
You Are The Everything
Orange Crush
What's The Frequency, Kenneth?
How The West Was Won...
Living Well Is The Best Revenge
Every Day Is Yours To Win

Berry -

Beachball
Daysleeper
Leaving New York
These Days
We Walk
I Remember California
I Don't Sleep, I Dream
Rotary Ten
Voice Of Harold
Find The River

Berry picked three post-Berry tunes, bless ‘im

I don't pay for subs to any of those services, a little annoyed that this is the world we live in.

I don't pay for Spotify either fyi

Wow Stipe @ thinking Electron Blue is one of their best songs

Stipe’s on record as thinking Reveal is one of their best albums, too. I wonder if this era is so associated with his personal good fortune – he now had tens of millions of dollars in his pocket and enjoyed a niche in New York artistic circles – that he doesn’t quite realize how weak the music seemed to listeners.

tbc Reveal was (is?) much better regarded in the UK.

Hell, it could just be ego at work. Apparently "Up" was kind of challenging, because without Bill in the mix Peter and Mike sort of wrestled with balancing one another's songs. Maybe Stipe stepped up a bit more for the next album and had more involvement?

Poor fables

A paltry 1 track

I wonder to what extent that is because they had such a bad time recording the album; that seems to bias the opinions of musicians more often that you might think.

One of the albums has to be like that, they can't all be winners

Stipe with 5 post-2000 tracks is…unsurprising

I don't think it's surprising that an artist thinks their later work is their best work. They have a totally different perspective on their work and surely weren't that interested in chasing after something they'd already captured before. Everything grows out of what came before so I totally get him choosing a lot of songs from the later albums or being on record thinking Reveal is one of their best. But I also think it's wild, even if you had to do a POX of just the post-Berry stuff, to rate Electron Blue that high.

(Also for the record, I also think Reveal is a great album and is unfairly maligned. It's certainly better than the three that came after it and I might even argue that it's better than Up, too. Maybe.)

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One of the albums has to be like that, they can't all be winners

I don't think it's surprising that an artist thinks their later work is their best work.

I can definitely see Stipe thinking that his later songwriting, in the abstract, was his best. But in terms of the recorded performances, especially with Accelerate on, his voice was so shot that the final product is weaker regardless.

I love Reveal, and I'm not sure if how much better regarded it is here but two weeks at number one are nothing to be sniffed at. Although it had half the chart life of Up (which never went to the top because they released it the same week as Robbie).

Im glad to see I Remember California get some love too — what a weird track and I’ve always liked it

i can't believe no one picked Fall On Me

Love that one

I Remember California is MAAAYBE my favourite 80s track. And I'm not sure how to feel about it being maaaybe my favourite 80s track.

I used to enjoy it but it was never a favourite. Then a good few years ago I reminded myself of the Tourfilm version - so much menace and electricity - and it has forever changed how I hear either version.

i can't believe no one picked Fall On Me

yeah probably

i also love Fall on Me fwiw

I went on a REM kick last week and gave a couple of listens to "Lifes Rich Pageant" and was reading some Wiki on Don Gehman and I got a chuckle out of this part.

However, the band believed that Gehman's "meticulously high standards" meant he did not consider the album a complete success.[14] When getting ready for their next album Buck says, "We were talking to Don, but he was getting kinda cold feet. He was saying, 'I really want to make a record that's a huge commercial success, and as much as I like you all as people, and I like the band, the way you work, I can't hear that you're going to have a huge hit.'"[14] When Gehman was not available as readily as the band wanted for their next recording needs, he recommended Scott Litt who went on to work with the band on future projects.[15]

I'd imagine Scott Litt says thank you for handing me a band that was on it's way to being one of the most popular in the world at the peak of their career.

I love "Fall on Me" too. It's one of their best. I love that whole album. That one, the first two and the EP are my favorites.

It's easy to imagine the guy responsible for John Mellencamp's biggest (and best) albums thinking that this band had no future.

I don't know, pretty much every REM album outsold the next one. I guess he was just a fogey that really did not get it. That said, that record does sound really good (as does the Mellencamp stuff). Gehman did later have a huge hit with Hootie and the Blowfish, which I guess was more his speed.

I actually wish they HAD made more albums together.

but then LRP is unique in their catalog anyway.

There might be a thread in records where engineers/producers of the old guard worked with new guard musicians and the results. Sometimes it works and sometimes it don't.

Say The Church with "Starfish" and Waddy Wachtel or XTC's "Skylarking" with Todd Rundgren - both were their most popular albums at least to that point, but the band's HATED the experience. Nick Cave working with David Briggs was kind of a disaster according to him. Red Hot Chili Peppers just did a bunch of drugs with George Clinton.

I wanna protest strongly this idea of Gehman as a fogey, for god's sake.