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it could come later tho

― Spottie, Tuesday, July 12, 2022 7:05 PM (thirty-eight seconds ago)

i don't think the nets leverage is going to increase over time. the process dragging out is not a positive for them, imo

conspiracy theory based on nothing: nets will not trade kd at all, kd only publicized the trade demand so he could remain in kyrie's good graces but he's secretly relieved to be rid of kyrie

― terence trent d'ilfer (m bison), Tuesday, July 12, 2022 3:53 PM (thirteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i like this lol. would be amazing if he ends up having to play with russ again as the consequence

it could come later tho

― Spottie, Tuesday, July 12, 2022 7:05 PM (thirty-eight seconds ago)

i don't think the nets leverage is going to increase over time. the process dragging out is not a positive for them, imo

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, July 12, 2022 4:07 PM (fifty-four seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

idk, hes got 4 years on his contract

i just dont see them taking pennies on the dollar for him

i don't think it really does anything for them to get into a ben simmons like showdown w/ him. what is the positive outcome for them? a brooding and annoyed KD playing for a middle of the road team? are they gonna force him to play the full 4 years? bcuz his trade value decreases w/ every next game he plays. if they foresee a trade at some point in the next 4 years they might as well just do it now. their other problem is that their model as a glamor market team is to be in the star hunting business and because of that they will prob need to play nice w/ him. you can't really be playing hardball w/ stars and then be trying to convince other stars that you're the best place for them

i dont think miamis going to get him

who can they even trade that wouldnt hobble the team

the whole thing has an extreme "cut your losses" vibe to me. they screwed this up massively at several points along the way, they might as well recoup whatever value they can for him now and figure out the next phase of the franchise

it would be one thing if they hadn't just gotten swept out of the first round w/ a fully healthy KD on the court. what is the path for them to accomplish anything w/ KD at this point? does anyone think they have a chance of beating out boston, milwaukee, miami, philly to even have a shot at a title? the experiment is over, they failed. KD asking out while he's still considered a top 5 player in the league might be a blessing in disguise at this point

i think they can find a big deal for him, hes too good to not bring in a haul

suns have all their picks btw

tho i suspect what the nets really want is to give this kd/kyrie/simmons team a try

who can they even trade that wouldnt hobble the team

― lag∞n, Tuesday, July 12, 2022 7:15 PM (two minutes ago)

if it really just comes down to phoenix and miami i think you could make the argument that herro & strus are an equal or better package of players compared to bridges & cam johnson. if you're competing for a title you'd rather have bridges than herro but bridges on a gutted roster isn't doing much for you, herro prob has more value bcuz he can run offense. strus is great value on a minimum deal and duncan robinson as salary filler is pretty easily rehabbed, he was fine last year he just wasn't good enough to play on a team that was legitimately competing for a title. but there's plenty of teams that could use him. so it would come down to who was willing to cough up more picks & for that reason i think it would be phoenix but it could be the heat, at that point who knows

lol yeah kds not getting traded for herro and strus

i'm sure the nets agree which is why he hasn't been traded yet. but if he goes to miami or phoenix it would really be a trade for picks and they would just have to accept the role player appetizer sampler as the players in return. bcuz they aren't getting butler, bam, cp3, booker or ayton. so who is left?

i think they can find a big deal for him, hes too good to not bring in a haul

― lag∞n, Tuesday, July 12, 2022 7:20 PM (two minutes ago)

the raptors are the key team. but if it's a market that is closed to all but 3 teams it's going to naturally depress what the nets can get back for him regardless of how good ppl think he is. the best case scenario for them is to have phoenix and toronto bidding against each other bcuz phoenix will offer the mega picks package and then maybe the nets can hit the sweet spot of getting a siakam + van vleet + picks package from the raptors. but the raptors have no real incentive to do that if all phoenix and miami are offering are the equally middling packages of role players and 2-3 firsts and swaps

i mean first of all bridges and johnson are much better than herro and strus and the suns have one more first available to trade than the heat, but also the idea that kd cant be traded to another team or that either the heat or the suns wont let a good player peel off seems pretty dubious

worth noting too re holding on to kd if they dont find a deal they like that all the contracts signed this summer become eligible to be traded at some point during the season so their is some incentive to wait, also theres time for teams to decide they need him

lol yeah kds not getting traded for herro and strus

― lag∞n, Tuesday, July 12, 2022 4:25 PM (nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

hah yeah man no way jordan. if bam isnt in on it the nets arent doing it. theyre gonna hold til they get at LEAST one all star level player back.

theyre gonna hold til they get at LEAST one all star level player back.

― Spottie, Tuesday, July 12, 2022 7:39 PM (two minutes ago)

yeah daryl morey played this game too and he ended up having to attach seth curry and two first round picks to get back james harden

this is what a heat trade looks like

https://i.imgur.com/Q5gVF41.png

that was ben simmons tho xp

its also a very reasonable deal for the james harden that exists in moreys mind

heir other problem is that their model as a glamor market team is to be in the star hunting business and because of that they will prob need to play nice w/ him. you can't really be playing hardball w/ stars and then be trying to convince other stars that you're the best place for them

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, July 12, 2022 4:14 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i think tsai might be rethinking their stance on how they team build going forward.

Did u add to your legacy today? If so, what did u do?

— Kevin Durant (@KDTrey5) July 12, 2022

the heat aren't trading bam to get KD

i mean i wouldnt

but they would be getting back a very similar player in ben simmons just with heat culture levels set to zero

they could consider it a challenge

i think for the heat the calculus is pretty simple. if they're in a bidding war w/ phoenix they won't have to trade bam bcuz phoenix won't be putting a comparable player on the table and so it's just about whether they're willing to put in more picks than phoenix. and if it's an open market then other teams will be able to put together better packages and they'll just keep their assets for mitchell or whatever else

considering the suns have one more pick available to trade than the heat and they famously do not value the draft pretty sure theyre winning that one

3 firsts and the pupu platter might get it done for mitchell but i kinda think not

the knicks have a ton of picks they can trade and are rumored to love him

unless the jazz are in love with herro or something which i guess is not impossible

also you just gotta feel better getting knicks picks than heat picks

correct. the knicks make way more sense than the heat on a number of levels it just depends on whether mitchell can credibly force his way to one team, my guess is probably not. i also think ainge would try and rip riley's beating heart out of his chest in that trade so idk

lol those guys have hated each other for longer than half the world has been alive, you can only tip your cap

going back to the nets -- i think it was nate dnucan who pointed out that the nets obligations in 2023 and 2025 are pick swaps w/ the rocekts who will def be a bottom 5 team next year and will prob be a lottery team again in 2025. so there is a path for the nets to give up on this idea of "competing" with an "all star level player" and instead just get a mega picks haul for KD, draft an elite prospect next year's draft and then go from there armed w/ whoever that is plus whatever picks they get. getting bounced in the first round w/ siakam and van vleet and getting the 20th pick just feels like beating your head against a wall, to me

yeah those picks they sent to houston are a sunk cost they should just take the best deal they can get, but there is prob some urge to save face particularly considering the celtics just went to the finals with a team built on ripping them off, but then i guess the reasonable part is they dont have the usual incentive to be bad bottoming out isnt as good as it usually is

if they could get a very young good player or two guys with some sort of potential thats prob best where siakim and van vleet are both already 28

i don't feel like there is a team out there that has a very good young player they would be willing to give up and who is also close enough to contending that trading for KD makes sense. the closest i can come up with is jarren jackson + desmond bane but i feel like the grizzlies wouldn't actually do that

to me the realistic "all star" level players for KD are, like, siakam and brandon ingram. and at that point i'd prob just go the mega picks haul route

i would too but that route gets sean marks fired in the next year or two, unless tsai is totally on board with rebuilding this thing again and getting back to a nice 45-win team that has a little buzz and wins a play-in game.

my point being it is very hard to prognosticate this since we don't really know how the nets see their team in a post-KD world

yeah that's true xp. tsai is definitely in that new ownership phase where he will pick the shortest but most destructive route to perceived relevance

buying a sports team is the dumbest thing to do with billions of dollars theres like a 50% chance everyone in the city will end up hating you

smart money tho

it has been recently

its has been for a long time tbf, but mostly seemed to track to the legitimate growth of the leagues, then recently the prices just went nuts which you gotta think will level off at least at some point, unless people want to be paying ten billion for the thunder or whatever

i personally would rather buy ten billion snickers bars

I would buy a team and then turn it over to ILH to run it, all decisions made via polls