taking sides: _fun house_ or _raw power_

Message Bookmarked
Bookmark Removed
Not all messages are displayed: show all messages (131 of them)
yeah, but there's something unusually SATISFYING about it. you'd think it'd be one of those records you'd have to play when you're in a certain mood, but i ALWAYS enjoy listening to it, in all sorts of moods.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 13 January 2005 19:32 (nineteen years ago) link

also someone PLEASE tell me how the snares are recorded on this record, because they have always sounded so great to me. maybe they are just mixed really high??

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 13 January 2005 19:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Uh...because IT KNOCKS THE FUCKING WALLS DOWN?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 13 January 2005 19:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Damn, must play this now.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 13 January 2005 19:35 (nineteen years ago) link

i AM playing it right now buddy!

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 13 January 2005 19:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Does anybody else have Declaration Of War? It appears to have been some kind of ultra-limited-edition vinyl-only compilation of the best outtakes from the Funhouse sessions box. It's pretty goddamn great; the track listing is "TV Eye," "Down On The Street," "Loose," "Dirt," "Slidin' The Blues," "1970," "Fun House" and "Lost In The Future," and it begins with that great bit from the box where Iggy is imitating a wrestling announcer introducing the Stooges. I didn't even know it existed until a friend burned it for me - I've never seen it listed on the Rhino site or anything.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 13 January 2005 19:39 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd been playing Black Grape and the Happy Mondays just now, and suddenly throwing on Fun House is just so much more FULFILLING than those records (not knocking them, mind you). But fuck...."TV Eye" is playing right now, and it's just fucking UNSTOPPABLE!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 13 January 2005 19:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm listening to it in my mind right now.

Ken L (Ken L), Thursday, 13 January 2005 19:45 (nineteen years ago) link

The drums on "Loose" alone.

http://www.concertlivewire.com/jpegs/stooges/stooges4.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 13 January 2005 19:48 (nineteen years ago) link

(err...that's Scotty "Rock Action" Asheton, btw)

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 13 January 2005 19:48 (nineteen years ago) link

...And it's not just a matter of knocking the walls down and you're done. It's like this ecstatic, extended kicking of ass over a long period of time.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 13 January 2005 19:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Well said.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 13 January 2005 19:51 (nineteen years ago) link

i really like iggy's vocals on "dirt" and "1970." it sounds like he spent a lot of time on them. i guess the box set (which i haven't heard and don't necessarily want to) would confirm that...

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 14 January 2005 00:54 (nineteen years ago) link

fun house and raw power are in one folder on my computer, so they're basically one album as far as I'm concerned.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 14 January 2005 01:03 (nineteen years ago) link

re: raw power bowie mix: itz tinny cuz bowie knew the bass playing was crap and the best thing to do was focus on iggys vocsa--check out the way theyr tracked. hot stuff, but mayeb more "art" than FUNHOUSEs full on Rock And Roll = Sherman Tank action. So sensations win again.

Snappy (sexyDancer), Friday, 14 January 2005 01:12 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Fun House is the greatest rock & roll record of all time. I feel sorry for people who can't understand that.

shemp, Sunday, 13 March 2005 17:44 (nineteen years ago) link

RAW POWER is so much better in every conceievable way. I don't get all the Fun House love, really. "Down on the Street" and "1970" are brilliant, but as a whole it isn't spectacular. Raw Power is spectacular, from start to finish. Sure, it sort of declines in quality with "Shake Appeal," but the first 6 tracks are, quite possibly, the best strech ever.

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Sunday, 13 March 2005 22:44 (nineteen years ago) link

As for the mixes, I prefer the original Bowie mix, except for "Gimmee Danger".. which Bowie absolutely butchered.

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Sunday, 13 March 2005 22:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Dude, "Fun House" the song has more rock in it than all of Raw Power. Not that Raw Power's bad ("Death TriP" is fucking amazing), but come on, how can you not get off on how completely out of control Fun House gets starting with "1970"? No music I've ever heard, live or otherwise, has been that unhinged and powerful at the same time, invigorating I guess, as the last three songs on Fun House.

shemp, Monday, 14 March 2005 00:03 (nineteen years ago) link

"Dude, "Fun House" the song has more rock in it than all of Raw Power"

'search and destroy' / 'gimme danger' >>>>>>> 'down on the street' / 'loose'

penetration' / 'raw power' = 'tv eye' / 'dirt'

'death trip' > 'fun house'

funhouse also has '1970', but raw power still wins on a countback

chris andrews (fraew), Monday, 14 March 2005 00:25 (nineteen years ago) link

actually, the debut scores well too

'1969' / 'i wanna be your dog' (possibly better than RP and a waaay better opening than FH)

'no fun' / 'ann' (holds its own, 'ann' being of particular note...)

'little doll' (maybe not as powerful and crazy as the other two albums outro's, but its real catchy

chris andrews (fraew), Monday, 14 March 2005 00:32 (nineteen years ago) link

'search and destroy' / 'gimme danger' >>>>>>> 'down on the street' / 'loose'

penetration' / 'raw power' = 'tv eye' / 'dirt'

you are insane. no, really.

tipustiger, Monday, 14 March 2005 00:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Maybe it's whatever one you hear first that does it for you. I still can't imagine liking Raw Power more except I guess it might make sense if you heard that one first. And anyways it's not like we're saying one's good and one's bad but disagreeing about which of two albums that rule rules more.

shemp, Monday, 14 March 2005 01:14 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah but how can anyone discount the might of 'gimme danger' and 'search and destroy'?

chris andrews (fraew), Monday, 14 March 2005 01:23 (nineteen years ago) link

They're mighty. But "Fun House" is monolithic, and so are "Dirt," "LA Blues," and "1970."

shemp, Monday, 14 March 2005 01:26 (nineteen years ago) link

twelve years pass...

"Raw power isnt even that hot an album"
NO

"Bowies production is awful too."

NO

"Iggy's mix of Raw Power makes it close"

NO

"I feel that the Stooges didn't age well"

NO

"it's intial production (by Bowie) rendered it so tinny and comapritively lifeless"

NO

"Mildly catchy, mildly interesting, mildly annoying, too."

NO

"I prefer the Iggy mix of Raw Power"

NO

"raw power is the critic's choice and funhouse is for those who hate critics"

NO

"they never made a great album as all of their efforts have
something that fuck it up"

NO

"(we're talking about the iggy mix, accept no substitutes here.)"

NO

"S/T since it was produced by Cale and had neither noise nor
rock but instead attitude"

NO

"contains one unlistenable song in "L.A. Blues."

NO

"In my experience, I've converted more of the
unconverted via Raw Power than Funhouse (current score: 3 to 0,) and that kind of populist appeal probably counts for something"

NO

"RAW POWER still kicks a mighty big ass, but you've got to admit that there are some
comparitively weak tracks there"

NO

"the debut is horribly pale and weak in
comparison"

NO

"Rethink: I s'pose the true snobs' answer would be "the unreleased one."

NO

"arguin about these records is pointless.....they are all beautiful untouchable artworks.....each can be appreciated for hellish attitude...even all the unreleased stuff.....these guys were comin apart at the seams and who has come close to POP/WILLIAMSON/ASHETON?????? FUCKEN NOBODY!!!!"

Hahahahaha! OTM!

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, September 3, 2004 8:34 PM (thirteen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm

marcos, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 13:46 (six years ago) link

The people in this thread who were seriously arguing in favor of Iggy's played-through-a-blown-out-answering-machine wannabe-Guitar-Wolf mix of Raw Power were collectively out of their fucking minds.

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 14:26 (six years ago) link

taking sides: the weirdness vs ready to die

Wesley Shackleton explained "look at that beast." (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 14:30 (six years ago) link

fun house vs exile on main street

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 14:55 (six years ago) link

Ready to Die is actually a lot better than The Weirdness, and only partly because The Weirdness is the worst album Iggy's ever done. RtD stands on its own merits.

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:06 (six years ago) link

imo: raw power: bowie vs iggy mixes

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:32 (six years ago) link

Fun House

I like The Weirdness.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:54 (six years ago) link

three years pass...

Fun House is one of the greatest records of all time regardless of genre. Raw Power is pretty good.

pomenitul, Sunday, 2 May 2021 14:09 (two years ago) link

WT...?

A Stop at Quilloughby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 2 May 2021 14:12 (two years ago) link

Fun House is one of the greatest records of all time regardless of genre. Raw Power is pretty good.

Pretty much. Raw Power has some good songs destroyed by inexplicable production choices.

but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 2 May 2021 16:14 (two years ago) link

Funhouse is probably “better,” but I’m less likely to throw it on.

smoking grass, poor caddying. (morrisp), Sunday, 2 May 2021 16:23 (two years ago) link

(I also love Williamson’s gtr playing, as a matter of personal taste.)

smoking grass, poor caddying. (morrisp), Sunday, 2 May 2021 16:25 (two years ago) link

no sax on raw power so fuck that album

Left, Sunday, 2 May 2021 16:28 (two years ago) link

Fun House is one of the greatest records of all time regardless of genre. Raw Power is pretty good.

― pomenitul, Sunday, 2 May 2021 

Correct

Duke, Sunday, 2 May 2021 16:36 (two years ago) link

side 2 of Raw Power kinda drags for me but side 1 is one of the best side 1s ever

Paul Ponzi, Sunday, 2 May 2021 16:57 (two years ago) link

pomenitul otm. I don't dislike Raw Power, but it sounded and felt so self-conscious after Fun House, like they were trying to live up to or create or re-create some nebulous myth(s) about themselves...and with a guitarist who was uninterested in taking risks. And wrt the awful production, the drums on Fun House are popping all over the place, the source of that record's agitation; on Raw Power they're buried under a heavy blanket.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 2 May 2021 16:58 (two years ago) link

Is that a real cartoon or a photoshop?

clemenza, Sunday, 2 May 2021 17:08 (two years ago) link

Fun House is one of the greatest records of all time regardless of genre.

it is absolutely perfect that don gallucci played keyboards on the kingsmen's version of "louie louie" and went on to record the first american prog album (touch) before producing this

reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 2 May 2021 17:30 (two years ago) link

Fun House and Raw Power are two of the greatest records of all time regardless of genre.

Authoritarian Steaks (Tom D.), Sunday, 2 May 2021 17:33 (two years ago) link

I love both, though not sure either is the best Stooges record tbh

two months pass...

Tonight I'm listening to the disc from the Fun House box that has 14 takes of "TV Eye" in a row. Because fuck my downstairs neighbors.

but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 18 July 2021 00:18 (two years ago) link

RAW POWER

✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 18 July 2021 16:09 (two years ago) link

They’re both 5 stars records though

✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 18 July 2021 16:11 (two years ago) link


You must be logged in to post. Please either login here, or if you are not registered, you may register here.