Christgau, Chusid, or DeRogatis: Which critic is the most useless?

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I love the "punch me in the face right now" quality of the thread title / original post. It's like something I would write. Except I wouldn't.

― Pye Poudre, Monday, 26 March 2007 20:52 (seventeen years ago) link

hey remember when david fricke had that whole rant about cellphones in the wilco movie? that shit was fuckin OTM. the dude really knows about life!

― Mr. Que, Monday, 26 March 2007 20:54 (seventeen years ago) link

haha you watched a wilco movie

― strongohulkington, Monday, 26 March 2007 20:55 (seventeen years ago) link

hahaha! you got me!

― Mr. Que, Monday, 26 March 2007 20:56 (seventeen years ago) link

rohnaldino on tipping, more @ 11

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 26 March 2007 20:56 (seventeen years ago) link

souldesqueeze is just lucky louis jagger went off the net today

― ghost rider, Monday, 26 March 2007 20:59 (seventeen years ago) link

There is a direct ILX search, btw. You go to Search and then click on "Direct ILX Search." While I was there, I discovered 27 threads (besides this one) with "Christgau" or "Xgau" in the title, and 10 with "DeRogatis" in the title.

― jaymc, Monday, 26 March 2007 21:01 (seventeen years ago) link

wagemann hasn't found google, yet, obviously.

― Mr. Que, Monday, 26 March 2007 21:02 (seventeen years ago) link

louis jagger is gone off the net??

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 26 March 2007 21:03 (seventeen years ago) link

fraid so

― gff, Monday, 26 March 2007 21:05 (seventeen years ago) link

http://ilx.wh3rd.net/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=56&threadid=1596#unread

― Mr. Que, Monday, 26 March 2007 21:05 (seventeen years ago) link

BECAUSE OF YOU

― bernard snowy, Monday, 26 March 2007 21:05 (seventeen years ago) link

you never him now, dog

― ghost rider, Monday, 26 March 2007 21:06 (seventeen years ago) link

calum got the sack?? didn't know that, rad

― gff, Monday, 26 March 2007 21:11 (seventeen years ago) link

oh shit wrong thread. well maybe not

― gff, Monday, 26 March 2007 21:11 (seventeen years ago) link

I like the random-talking-amongst-selves direction this thread is taking. Carry on.

― Matos W.K., Monday, 26 March 2007 21:12 (seventeen years ago) link

did any of you guys hear that the village voice got bought???

― ghost rider, Monday, 26 March 2007 21:13 (seventeen years ago) link

BOUGHT BY YOUR MOM

― Mr. Que, Monday, 26 March 2007 21:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Jesus. Poor Louis.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 26 March 2007 21:16 (seventeen years ago) link

i can't believe my mom fired xgau ;_;

― ghost rider, Monday, 26 March 2007 21:20 (seventeen years ago) link

huh, didn't see that LJ thread until now. apparently his Cambridge education hasn't taught him enough about the classics, because this whole thing is on some greek tragedy shit.

― bernard snowy, Monday, 26 March 2007 21:24 (seventeen years ago) link

"thing is, dude was fucking his mom"

― gff, Monday, 26 March 2007 21:25 (seventeen years ago) link

(Beat me to it.)

― jaymc, Monday, 26 March 2007 21:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Reading LJ thread like getting kicked in the nuts by a horse. Except without the horse. Makes me feel bad for the whole damn universe.

― Pye Poudre, Monday, 26 March 2007 21:37 (seventeen years ago) link

"arcade fire? two thumbs up!"

http://www.calvin.edu/news/photos/faculty/herzberg.jpg

― scott seward, Monday, 26 March 2007 21:37 (seventeen years ago) link

But, yeah, rock critics. Go figure.

― Pye Poudre, Monday, 26 March 2007 21:37 (seventeen years ago) link

I thought that was Gene Wilder at first.

― jaymc, Monday, 26 March 2007 21:38 (seventeen years ago) link

"kelly clarkson? surprisingly underrated as a songwriter!"

http://www.calvin.edu/news/photos/faculty/hettinga.jpg

― scott seward, Monday, 26 March 2007 21:39 (seventeen years ago) link

"i don't know who the bloc party think they're fooling. not me, that's for sure!"

http://www.calvin.edu/news/photos/faculty/hoekema.jpg

― scott seward, Monday, 26 March 2007 21:41 (seventeen years ago) link

yellowteeth OTM

― Mr. Que, Monday, 26 March 2007 21:41 (seventeen years ago) link

"marah are sublime."

http://www.calvin.edu/news/photos/faculty/hplant.jpg

― scott seward, Monday, 26 March 2007 21:42 (seventeen years ago) link

denim shirt lolz eclipsed by scary face beard

― Pye Poudre, Monday, 26 March 2007 21:44 (seventeen years ago) link

"i have heard the arctic monkeys. i guess i just don't "get" it."

http://www.calvin.edu/news/photos/faculty/holstege.jpg

― scott seward, Monday, 26 March 2007 21:44 (seventeen years ago) link

"i dunno, is it just me or are the arcade fire like listening to a kidz bop cd...only less fun."

http://www.calvin.edu/news/photos/faculty/lderooy.jpg

― scott seward, Monday, 26 March 2007 21:48 (seventeen years ago) link

"what was rjd2 THINKING?"

http://www.calvin.edu/news/photos/faculty/laura_smit.jpg

― scott seward, Monday, 26 March 2007 21:50 (seventeen years ago) link

"Reviews that steer more toward synopsizing and less toward editorializing are more my preference, only because I'd rather know the facts than the critical musings of a self-proclaimed authority. This applies to criticism of any medium. But sticking to music for now: if you've ever read the 33 1/3 books, the best ones tend to be those which primarily relate the circumstances which led to the creation of the album (e.g., The Velvet Underground And Nico, Paul's Boutique) and don't devolve into proselytization (e.g., The Stone Roses, OK Computer). Lester Bangs might have produced the occasional tasty bon mot, but his opinions were no more valid than yours or mine."

http://www.calvin.edu/news/photos/faculty/monsma.jpg

― scott seward, Monday, 26 March 2007 21:54 (seventeen years ago) link

"Trust me, I'm a vet to a number of other similar boards that have been around just as long, if not longer. I know the general mindset. Doesn't mean it's not worth stating."

http://www.calvin.edu/news/photos/faculty/nyhoff.jpg

― scott seward, Monday, 26 March 2007 21:56 (seventeen years ago) link

"think about it" should actually come up after you hit "submit response" like the itunes "you really sure you wanna buy this?"

http://www.calvin.edu/news/photos/faculty/oselles.jpg

― scott seward, Monday, 26 March 2007 21:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Having fun?

― souldesqueeze, Monday, 26 March 2007 22:07 (seventeen years ago) link

scott's pretty much in his own little world, yeah

― strongohulkington, Monday, 26 March 2007 22:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Who are the people pictured?

― souldesqueeze, Monday, 26 March 2007 22:08 (seventeen years ago) link

"Having fun?"

http://www.calvin.edu/news/photos/faculty/pauley.jpg

― scott seward, Monday, 26 March 2007 22:09 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.musicobsession.com/Pictures/f/l/flipper46222.jpg

― souldesqueeze, Monday, 26 March 2007 22:12 (seventeen years ago) link

They appear to be photographs of Rbt. Christgau, Irwin Chusid and Jim DeRogatis, at various points in their careers.

― Pye Poudre, Monday, 26 March 2007 22:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Except for that last one. I don't know who that is.

― Pye Poudre, Monday, 26 March 2007 22:14 (seventeen years ago) link

You will also notice that George Bush's point of view is more often discussed and evaluated than that of my Aunt Nina. This is not necessarily because George Bush's point of view is deemed better.

But by saying this, you are actually suggesting that rock critics have a great deal of power and authority, beyond just being people sharing their opinions like anyone else. And I think they do have some influence amongst people who take a serious interest in the music and have played a large role in shaping how people perceive things like popular music history, in shaping how people perceive what's worth talking about and in which terms, in forming a canon.

So I also sometimes wonder why journalistic rock criticism has taken on this cultural position. I might be a snobby academic, and this is kind of a half-formed thought, but I can at least understand why e.g. formally trained music theorists and historians have this role in classical music.

On the other hand, I can see why there's something great about the fact that someone can become a tastemaker without needing any formal music-related qualifications.

― Sundar, Monday, 26 March 2007 22:18 (seventeen years ago) link

hah the idea of academics being the alternative cultural gatekeepers makes the current situation seem a bit better doesnt it.

― deej, Monday, 26 March 2007 22:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Haha okay Sundar, substitute "Maureen Dowd" in that zing.

― nabisco, Monday, 26 March 2007 22:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, I'm not saying that would necessarily be better but why do you think it is better that journalists are the cultural gatekeepers?

― Sundar, Monday, 26 March 2007 22:22 (seventeen years ago) link

more democratic

― deej, Monday, 26 March 2007 22:22 (seventeen years ago) link

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