are disco edits the new electroclash?

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Vahid's analogy comes from the beardo thread, equating beardo's mixture of classic rock and disco with big beat's mixture of rock and club music. I haven't been able to put into words why I think it's irrelevant, other then a "there's a difference and I know it when I hear it" as mentioned above.

It may have something to do with Big Beat's whole uk sampledelic sources, where it's like, the Beatles + Coldcut = Chemical Fatboy whatever, whereas beardo is more about the sound of classic rockers playing disco, whether it's the Doors Peace Frog and The Wasp, Chicago's I'm a Man, The Rolling Stones Undercover of the Night era etc.

Lee Douglas! Nice. I love his track and the one edit I have of his.

What is the girl to boy ratio at one of those nights? Is it mainly guys scratching their chins and checking out the jams or is it pure disco fever?

I mean, they seem to flow in at a fairly steady rate and the ones done by prydzstyleremixer/discoman@hotmail.com are almost always shit

but yeah, its all about the girls and the beard scratching.

that means that one boy shows up, and one girl. That's it. 2 people. Can't beat that ratio.

Are you really looking to early evening record listening parties to score?

You're better off with Heather's on thursday nights. The skirt there is unbeatable.

I don't like the direction this thread is going.

I'm showing up at 8 and leaving early, and have no time to pick out records, so it'll be a suprise for you as well as me. Don't let Mike be the only person to show up before 10 pm!

Hey I did my best not to make this connection. I can't help it if I am mexican and love tacos.

1:1 ratio boys to girls is pretty good. I mainly asked cause I wondered if it was a dancing crowd as opposed to a record spotting crowd. Do you ever drop in housey cross over tunes in your sets Dan or Yaz? What is the cut off date for disco in your mind?

It's not a disco party.

It's not a dance party.

Dancing is not allowed.

Jeremy and I DJ dance parties all the time.

This is our chance to play Thomas Leer and Camberwell Now and Robert Wyatt and Clive Stevens and Group XEX....to a small group of friends and likeminded individuals. See the beardo thread, there's more talk about Dazzle Ships there.

As far as my dance sets are concerned, there are no cut-off dates and there's no need to drop crossover tunes. I play all kinds of hits all the time anyway.

I'll have to agree that the market is flooded with mediocre edits that serve no real purpose and that listeners as a whole would be better served with plain ol' boots of rare tracks.

A couple of comments tho'.

I've heard of Betty B's edits, but haven't heard 'em.

My understanding is that Theo's edits are old edits off reel that he pressed up a few times but has now flooded the market so much that there are no new ones. Funny how he got pissed when they got booted 'cause they were pressed in such small quantities and at such high prices.

The A side of the Slying Squad record is real nice.

Suprised that no one mentioned the Underdog Edit series which re-introduce very obscure releases, nicely re-edited to re-express the material, nicely mastered.

New edit series that I'm privy to is called Members Only, which is super-raw, Chicago-style. The first one is sort of a re-creation of an old Sneak edit of a Trammps track. There are more in the works, #2 smokes.

Has anyone heard of some guys who faithfully re-created Ron Hardy edits that they heard on live mixes?

I know Hardy's nephew or something was selling some vinyl of Hardy edits.

once again sorry for sowing confusion the beardo thread is answering so many questions I have been having recently.

This comparison is dumb because of the huge disparity between the two scenes in the time-lag between the source material and its recontextualisation.

People hate on Big Beat because its seen as recontextualisation of black american music as dance music for white people. At the time it happened the source material was hip hop from about 10-15 years earlier therefore it could be seen as gutting a still-vital music genre of its controversial, violent and middle-class baiting aspects.

Beardo-disco is recontextualisation of 30-year old dance music of varying ethnic and geographical origin for white hipsters. Disco as a scene does not exist today in the way that hip hop did in the mid 90s, and furthermore, disco as a scene has already been made 'safe' in 2006 by endless cycles of revivalism and recycling so beardo disco can hardly be making it safe for white people.

Additionally given that big beat was a UK-driven thing, and the beardo thing is pretty much international its not even like you can claim its the same sort of people doing it!

If anything its more like rare groove or acid jazz.

----yikes! i thought the beardos were just Mancuso worshipers? i must be totally in the dark.

uh ... sure you can! weatherall, chicken lips, harvey, idjuts, lindstrom + prins thomas all dabbled in big beat.

If anything its more like rare groove or acid jazz

i don't think it's a big jump from acid jazz / rare groove to big beat, do you?

but the audience for the latter was certainly more male than the audience for the former, at least in UK.

"Listen to this. 303 + 808 + Karen Finley. They're called S'Express. Is this the shit or what?"

I'll finally be able to make a fortune on eBay.

(re: Chip Nunez et al.. remember the remix they did of Skinny Puppy's "Stairs And Flowers"? Alien Sex Fiend's "Haunted House" (which was basically a disco dance medley of many song off Another Planet)? Remember the second version of Colourbox's "Breakdown", with all the crazy edit action? "Faggot shit" said the fans of Violent Femmes, Camper Van Beethoven, and Carnival Art... ok, not all of them.)

don't forget T.Z.'s "I've Got the Hots for You".

OH
MY
GOD

I did something like this on the radio once. We played the Luomo's remix of Smiling Off with Finley's "I'm An Ass Man" drifting in and out. Started playing her just because it was late enough that we could but it sounded really great next to all those moans in the song.

great meaning gross

i listened to one of those "Larry" bootlegs today. a side was some Paradise Garage classic while the b side was 3 Karen Finley monologues, one being Ass Man.

i assume they are made for mixing, as thye dont stand much on their own.

---i have been doing that a lot lately. i like pitching down disco and house really slow. i dont have a beard though. (but my hair is kinda long)

Map of Africa actually covered a song, no? Not just put the original song in some cool edit type software looping the bridge and attaching it to the intro while taking credit as an artist. Or at least that's what's been described to me by some of this "new exciting thing".

Again, I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about here. I'm asking if that's what Mike is saying because Mike and I share friends who have been ranting lately. I'm wondering if they've been ranting the same things to him.

uh, hello ben cook / dj spun / idjut boys / rong music etc

Terje, Rong etc, are producing new stuff, and some pretty good new stuff.

Sort of. There is definately a difference, but house did inspire the previous pop style to change into Kwaito.

Why do you fight Vahid? Why?

The 'Delayer' remix is fukin awesome.