Yes piece by Dave Q

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The Corey Hart point and the Judas Priest point are separate and distinct points, and read as such.

My point is that it is a total non sequitur, since he goes on to say something that has nothing to do with Corey Hart or Trevor Horn, except that Trevor Horn didn't produce "Turbo." I'm sure a lot of other people didn't produce Turbo, too!

Inside Outside In, Sunday, 18 December 2005 01:41 (eighteen years ago) link

"I don't know anything about politics so the news writers with their insider jargon are CONSPIRING AGAINST ME."

xpost: Trevor Horn is one of the lynchpins of the entire article. Corey Hart has a walk-on appearance as a point of comparison.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Sunday, 18 December 2005 01:42 (eighteen years ago) link

"non sequitor"??? stop using this insider jargon plz!

j blount (papa la bas), Sunday, 18 December 2005 01:44 (eighteen years ago) link

(psst--it's non-sequitur, btw)

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Sunday, 18 December 2005 01:44 (eighteen years ago) link

I will take issue with this. What should a writer expect their audience to know? Should you never mention any artist other than the one you're talking about in a given article? Is it really THAT much of a leap of faith to assume people reading the music section of a Seattle weekly know who the fucking Buggles and Judas Preist are? Come on.

"Come on?!" Are you fucking kidding? I had to strain my brain to remember Corey Hart. My friend didn't understand word one of this because as popular as all of these bands are to some people, it's not generally an overlapping group of people. And plenty of people, such as my friend, would be completely lost. If you're going to mention an artist, at least write clearly.

Inside Outside In, Sunday, 18 December 2005 01:45 (eighteen years ago) link

I had to strain my brain to remember Corey Hart. - this i can believe

j blount (papa la bas), Sunday, 18 December 2005 01:47 (eighteen years ago) link

if your issue is with the clunkiness and overstuffing of sentences, wouldn't little character bios e.g. "Canadian singer Corey Hart--who had a hit with 'Sunglasses at Night,' remember, kids?--with a New Zealand accent" just make things worse?

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Sunday, 18 December 2005 01:47 (eighteen years ago) link

you and yr friend should check out this site called stylus - i think it's EXACTLY what you're looking for

j blount (papa la bas), Sunday, 18 December 2005 01:48 (eighteen years ago) link

So, you read it as Trevor Horn did produce Turbo and yet Dave Q says "didn't". Which is it? And what does this say about the readability?

xpost: wowie, I made a typo!

Inside Outside In, Sunday, 18 December 2005 01:48 (eighteen years ago) link

"New Zealand accents sound like this"

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Sunday, 18 December 2005 01:48 (eighteen years ago) link

j blount, your joke is making a mockery of yourself, not me. Part of Dave Q's joke was that it was intentionally difficult to read, dumbass.

Inside Outside In, Sunday, 18 December 2005 01:49 (eighteen years ago) link

if your issue is with the clunkiness and overstuffing of sentences, wouldn't little character bios e.g. "Canadian singer Corey Hart--who had a hit with 'Sunglasses at Night,' remember, kids?--with a New Zealand accent" just make things worse?

Yeah, that would. I guess you're not very creative.

Inside Outside In, Sunday, 18 December 2005 01:50 (eighteen years ago) link

that's a relief!

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Sunday, 18 December 2005 01:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Judas Priest - Turbo
Released in 1986 by CBS
Produced by Tom Allom.


What was your point?

Inside Outside In, Sunday, 18 December 2005 01:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, your point was to prove my point! Thanks, you're right, I can see why you were confused! It is bad writing, isn't it? Yeah, thanks, your misunderstanding is evidence enough.

Inside Outside In, Sunday, 18 December 2005 01:54 (eighteen years ago) link

where is it part of dave q's joke that it's intentionally difficult to read? if most people have no difficulty reading it (i might be a little charitable but this is 6th grade level reading difficulty - surely between your and yr friend one of you made it past the 6th grade right?) i'm not sure exactly how it's difficult, nevermind intentionally difficult. were the letters too small?

j blount (papa la bas), Sunday, 18 December 2005 01:54 (eighteen years ago) link

I haven't heard that record, but in the piece's context, Dave's point would seem to be that it sounds a lot like a Trevor Horn production. If not, your point stands. But I honestly am not certain.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Sunday, 18 December 2005 01:55 (eighteen years ago) link

that was xpost, btw, though I'm greatly amused by the "I'm right! I'm right!" 12-year-old glee IOI is demonstrating

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Sunday, 18 December 2005 01:56 (eighteen years ago) link

i mean you've made it abundantly clear you're not exactly crazy about either reading or thinking, even at a 6th grade level (after all if rock criticism's too intellectual or obtuse for you how you ever gonna manage a real book?)(speaking hypothetically of a case where you would have an interest in one), so why exactly are you surprised that something potentially requiring the ability to do either might not be a pleasant experience for you?

j blount (papa la bas), Sunday, 18 December 2005 01:59 (eighteen years ago) link

seriously dude, stylus - it's right up yr alley

j blount (papa la bas), Sunday, 18 December 2005 02:01 (eighteen years ago) link

j blount, Matos just proved he had trouble reading it.

And you just proved you did as well.

HAHAHA!

The overwrought run-on sentences and the myriad varied reference points were meant to mimic the winding and challenging multi-layered aspects of an epic prog Yes tune as well as the ever-changing sound of the band's continual evolution over 3 decades as well as the fact that their self-satisfying extended masturbatory musicianship was something many found difficult to sit through.

Inside Outside In, Sunday, 18 December 2005 02:02 (eighteen years ago) link

total bystander just passing by to say

1. dave q's article reads nicely (he frustrates some of my friends - they say things like "oooh! isn't HE clever" - these are same friends who think they're writers but don't actually write anything)

2. inside outside, you seem sort of dumm

3. i started listening to yes right after seeing buffalo 66, too!

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 18 December 2005 02:04 (eighteen years ago) link

dave q says better shit than "myriad varied"

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 18 December 2005 02:04 (eighteen years ago) link

wait lemme guess - you're SUBTLY MOCKING HIS AUTHORIAL TONE?!?!?!

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 18 December 2005 02:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Matos just proved he had trouble reading it.

haha I read it fine; I just allowed that my interpretation might be off.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Sunday, 18 December 2005 02:06 (eighteen years ago) link

and I hate to break it to ya, but Dave writes that way about everything. the only nods to Yes' structural style was the parentheticals at the top of all but the first graf.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Sunday, 18 December 2005 02:07 (eighteen years ago) link

james joyce could totally have been famous if he weren't only writing for ten of his literary friends

the people are such untight s wads (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 18 December 2005 02:08 (eighteen years ago) link

jesus spoke mostly for the benefit of twelve people!

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 18 December 2005 02:09 (eighteen years ago) link

inside out noone except you (o, and 'yr friend') had any trouble reading it, as you also have trouble reading our posts (which at this point are written at a 3rd grade reading level - ye gods) it suggests the flaw lies not with the piece but with the reader or "reader" rather. nevermind stylus - invest in some coloring books.

j blount (papa la bas), Sunday, 18 December 2005 02:09 (eighteen years ago) link

dave q for messiah!

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 18 December 2005 02:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Great points. I love how the little trolls jump every which way when "pwned" repeatedly. So, you don't like me. So, you like Dave Q. Great. Just say that. Stop trying so hard to come at me from a new angle. I am not insulted nor have you convinced me that I am a immature moron by your silly and desperate attacks, which only show me what immature morons you are.

Inside Outside In, Sunday, 18 December 2005 02:10 (eighteen years ago) link

inside outside - if you like DAVE Q, you'll love GEORGE GOSSETT

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 18 December 2005 02:11 (eighteen years ago) link

James Joyce, yes... and he was writing a silly throwaway joke piece, wasn't he? Dumbass.

Inside Outside In, Sunday, 18 December 2005 02:11 (eighteen years ago) link

'messiah'??? stop using this insider jargon vahid!

j blount (papa la bas), Sunday, 18 December 2005 02:12 (eighteen years ago) link

hahaha trolls hahaha

nice to meet you, IOI. what's your real name?

the people are such untight s wads (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 18 December 2005 02:12 (eighteen years ago) link

inside out noone except you (o, and 'yr friend') had any trouble reading it.

Um, Matos thought Dave Q was saying Trevor Horn produced Judas Priest. And you didn't get that Dave Q was trying to be difficult and eclectic.

Inside Outside In, Sunday, 18 December 2005 02:13 (eighteen years ago) link

George. My real name is George. Are you confusing internet anonymity with "necessarily trollism?"

Inside Outside In, Sunday, 18 December 2005 02:14 (eighteen years ago) link

I haven't looked at the piece in a long time (I edited it, so I get as much of your blame as anyone), but overlooking one word while browsing the internet hardly counts as a deep reading anyway. in any case, what Dave Q was saying was that that particular Priest album sounded like a Trevor Horn production. where's the mystery?

xpost: that's pretty much the definition of a troll, yes.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Sunday, 18 December 2005 02:15 (eighteen years ago) link

just curious, george.

the people are such untight s wads (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 18 December 2005 02:15 (eighteen years ago) link

"sounded like"??? stop using this insider jargon plz!

j blount (papa la bas), Sunday, 18 December 2005 02:17 (eighteen years ago) link

george on the schoenberg thread at his most opaque/oracular:

oh Schoenburg is so big, he's been to all the different forms, his opus nos. coincide with years of human non-developement (eg op. 42 piano/orch, one of my faves) -- is Kol Nidre a sreious devotional work ? am i too young to see the stench sarcasm humer of 'ode to Napoleon' ? the violin trio still grows, a concession to webern-esque instrumentation on schoenburg scale -- i still love the five orhestral pieces by s. -- those pieces between 1900 and 1920, gorgeous

webern will never know -- friendly fire? collateral casualty ? if Moses and Aaron had been completed it would have out-scandalised rite- of-spring surely

-- George Gosset (ggosse...), June 8th, 2002 6:00 PM.

pretty good, not quite dave q material but still... maybe on the zappa thread they go at it?

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 18 December 2005 02:19 (eighteen years ago) link

in any case, what Dave Q was saying was that that particular Priest album sounded like a Trevor Horn production. where's the mystery?

The mystery is what the hell this has to do with Yes and why it was thrown in for no apparent reason. This is obviously why you were confused. Bad writing.

Internet anonymity is pretty much not the definition of "troll". Handles are pretty common far and wide by non-Trolls.

Inside Outside In, Sunday, 18 December 2005 02:20 (eighteen years ago) link

handle makes it sound like you fly a fighter jet!

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 18 December 2005 02:23 (eighteen years ago) link

pretty good, not quite dave q material but still... maybe on the zappa thread they go at it?

Yeah, that's a pretty specific audience he's obviously writing for. Probably not the Seattle Weekly, I'd guess. Which brings me back to my question: WHO was Dave Q. writing for? By all accounts, it would seem the general public. And I'm sure the general public read about half of that article and turned the page or laughed at how stupid it was. Overall, a totally useless waste of space that accomplished nothing other than perhaps tickling the ribs of a very small minority of people.

Inside Outside In, Sunday, 18 December 2005 02:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks for the wikipedia link. Now go take a look in the mirror.

Inside Outside In, Sunday, 18 December 2005 02:25 (eighteen years ago) link

yup, i'm a troll. a troll who's been posting under the same non-anonymous registered login name for over THREE YEARS.

the people are such untight s wads (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 18 December 2005 02:28 (eighteen years ago) link

handle makes it sound like you fly a fighter jet!

Vahid makes you sound like a weird foriegn dweeb who macs out on all the girls in the computer lab who are repulsed by you and your bad breath and it also makes you sound like you are a driver for your daddy's limo service in order to pay the bills for your SUNY school education.

There, I have just swapped you one reference.

Inside Outside In, Sunday, 18 December 2005 02:29 (eighteen years ago) link

yup, i'm a troll. a troll who's been posting under the same non-anonymous registered login name for over THREE YEARS.

Oh wait, maybe you missed the first sentence:
"In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who posts inflammatory messages on the internet, such as on online discussion forums, to disrupt discussion or to upset its participants."

Inside Outside In, Sunday, 18 December 2005 02:30 (eighteen years ago) link

you're a racist.

the people are such untight s wads (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 18 December 2005 02:31 (eighteen years ago) link


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