― benrique (Enrique), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:08 (seventeen years ago) link
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Tracer, the Schrader quote? or asserting that the collage/Corleone analogy is funny?
We can "fuck" L.R. all we want (and why not), but the grammar of film was altered permanently by her.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:14 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:15 (seventeen years ago) link
― benrique (Enrique), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:16 (seventeen years ago) link
― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:23 (seventeen years ago) link
following Leni: Frank Capra? Kenneth Anger? David Fincher?
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:25 (seventeen years ago) link
which is curious, i note idly, given that tarantino can be very funny, and warm, while michael corleone is famous for his punishing absence of either
anyway, it's hard to talk about this either way, since i imagine very few people have read his thoughts and reasons behind his criteria, which i gather is the only thing up for discussion (since you don't want to debate the list and i don't blame you)
that said, i am suspicious of his criteria, given how many titles on his list are predictable "what a movie critic would like" movies; i am suspicious of "repeatability" (i have had very little desire to see any movie twice, ESPECIALLY my favorites); suspicious of the idea that there is a firmament of great movies
― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:25 (seventeen years ago) link
― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:26 (seventeen years ago) link
― benrique (Enrique), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:31 (seventeen years ago) link
Dude, this is just damn weird (and I buy DVDs with reluctance and infrequently, as I don't believe in endless rewatchings).
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:36 (seventeen years ago) link
― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:38 (seventeen years ago) link
― benrique (Enrique), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:44 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:46 (seventeen years ago) link
The trouble with building a canon of films today is that the art is so new that no one knows what will last or why. Certainly, mere technical excellence or innovation are not useful criteria. Longevity in maintaining an audience is not yet established. As a result, far, far too many films will be listed and only a handful of these are likely to interest more than a few academics in 2100.
― Aimless (Aimless), Monday, 20 November 2006 18:25 (seventeen years ago) link
― Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 20 November 2006 18:47 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 November 2006 18:54 (seventeen years ago) link
In any case, this year's detrius thread may be diminished significantly if the VV doesn't do their poll. (I hear Lim is trying to coordinate a reasonable alternative, though I haven't heard anything about which venue he wants to use ... NYT?)
― Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:03 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 November 2006 20:04 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 November 2006 20:18 (seventeen years ago) link
― Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 08:28 (seventeen years ago) link
-- Aimless (aimles...), November 20th, 2006.
"The rule of thumb for literature has long been that, if a signifigant number of people (not merely a few academic specialists) still read a book with pleasure and interest 100 years after it was published, then it qualifies as a classic."
old farts like harold bloom would disagree.
"Certainly, mere technical excellence or innovation are not useful criteria."
no? james joyce does ok on these grounds
"The trouble with building a canon of films today is that the art is so new that no one knows what will last or why."
this has been true of literature also. but people do think they know why things wil survive -- eg because it belongs to a tradition. that's how eng lit canonistas roll, anyway.
"Longevity in maintaining an audience is not yet established."
more so than with literature!
― benrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 09:31 (seventeen years ago) link
I hate to get all Godfrey Cheshire on yo ass, but the art is on its deathbed.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 14:23 (seventeen years ago) link
im (re?)reading this
he sure makes some odd claims
like pauline kael's 'trash art and the movies' is 'the most influential article in the history of film criticism'
really dude? really?
idk
i guess there's no such thing rly
― letz talk abt (history mayne), Wednesday, 7 April 2010 11:21 (fourteen years ago) link
influential = lots of non-critics read it
― filling the medicare donut hole with the semen of liberal (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 7 April 2010 11:24 (fourteen years ago) link
Matt Zoller Seitz is murdering the classics! You can too...
http://www.salon.com/life/slide_shows/index.html?story=/ent/movies/film_salon/2010/09/10/movie_heresy_slide_show
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 11 September 2010 17:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Gran Torino is a classic?
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Saturday, 11 September 2010 17:54 (thirteen years ago) link
maybe this guy can put together the Kill Your Idols of cinema!
― da croupier, Saturday, 11 September 2010 17:56 (thirteen years ago) link
can't wait to find out what the cinematic equivalent of Paul McCartney's Ram is
The Science of Sleep.
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 11 September 2010 17:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Good thread revives all around today, Morbs. I was just thinking about starting that "Make your own S&S '12 ballots" list thread this afternoon.
― Eric H., Saturday, 11 September 2010 17:59 (thirteen years ago) link
if he wanted to take down an eastwood movie he should have gone with unforgiven
― buzza, Saturday, 11 September 2010 18:39 (thirteen years ago) link
or, given its surprisingly unimpeachable status among cinephiles, Bridges of Madison County
― Eric H., Saturday, 11 September 2010 18:43 (thirteen years ago) link
is that unimpeachable? i always thought it was on the lesser end of his critical adorations. could be mistaking Anthony Lane with general consensus.
MZS right about Gran Torino. Unforgiven is great fuiud.
― a cankle of rads (Gukbe), Saturday, 11 September 2010 19:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Unforgiven realy did not break new ground, even Clintwise, as was claimed.
I had Madison Co on for the first 15 mins on TCM last week and myGgod, they hadnt even gotten to Clint and Meryl yet. Never seen, but I will skip the first reel if I ever do.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 11 September 2010 20:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Not necessarily about breaking new ground though is it.
Madison County is pretty tedious.
― a cankle of rads (Gukbe), Saturday, 11 September 2010 20:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Streep and Eastwood are excellent together; it's still one of her best.
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 11 September 2010 20:44 (thirteen years ago) link
just wanted to pop in and say I caught Blue Collar on cable last night, had seen it before, but damn that is a good movie.
― Richard Nixon's Field of Warmth (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 22:12 (twelve years ago) link
I've only seen it once, but thought it was good--best after Affliction for me, being a director I don't usually care for.
― clemenza, Thursday, 11 August 2011 00:18 (twelve years ago) link
i totally want to build a film cannon, to shoot film critics with
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 11 August 2011 00:22 (twelve years ago) link
I was talking about Light of Day with a friend this morning. Schrader misjudges (typically) how good Joan Jett is.
― a 'catch-all', almost humorous, 'Jeez' quality (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 August 2011 00:25 (twelve years ago) link
whoah WTF never even heard of that before
― Richard Nixon's Field of Warmth (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 11 August 2011 16:04 (twelve years ago) link
you don't remember the Jett song? It's a Springsteen number – and great performance.
― a 'catch-all', almost humorous, 'Jeez' quality (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 August 2011 16:30 (twelve years ago) link
Hardcore is still probably my favorite Schrader movie.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 August 2011 16:34 (twelve years ago) link
Mishima's pretty good too, IIRC, but it's been years since I've seen it so I mostly remember the score now.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 August 2011 16:36 (twelve years ago) link
I'm replying to history mayne upthread:
I DO think that books are a medium. You said
celluloid is not a medium. that's like saying literature is paper or some shit.
but I think that literature was changed by paper. Actually, that's not even a remotely controversial thing to say - it's more of a truism than anything - so it feels weird disagreeing. I agree that "literature" is more than books, but if you said, "Books are dead," then it would be unfair to reply, "But look at all of the good writing happening on the Internet," because the nature of the literature would be different. I have never and will never read a novel on the internet, for instance. I admit that there is a remote possibility I would do it on an ebook. If I were arguing with you back in 2006 or whenever, I would think the celluloid to non-celluloid shift would be something like the book to ebook shift. The celluloid shift is probably less severe, so point taken, but I sympathize with morbz's position because I'm most drawn to movies made before 1980.
I think that in 2009 or 2011 that Leni Reifenstahl hiccup would have lasted a few hundred posts longer.
― bamcquern, Thursday, 11 August 2011 19:40 (twelve years ago) link
Meanwhile, Ellis, Pope and Schrader battled over the film’s final cut. Pope screened a rough cut of The Canyons for Steven Soderbergh. Intrigued, Soderbergh offered to do an edit of the movie if he was given the footage for 72 hours.
Schrader said no. […] "The idea of 72 hours is a joke,” Schrader said. “It would take him 72 hours to look at all the footage. And you know what Soderbergh would do if another director offered to cut his film?”
I said I didn’t. Schrader leaned back in his chair and gave me two middle fingers.
“That’s what Soderbergh would do.”
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 10 January 2013 22:04 (eleven years ago) link
Premiere of The Canyons at Lincoln Center!
http://www.filmlinc.com/films/series/an-evening-with-paul-schrader-the-canyons
― playwright Greg Marlowe, secretly in love with Mary (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 9 July 2013 19:12 (ten years ago) link
Film Comment really doubling down on this in the next issue.
― Gukbe, Tuesday, 9 July 2013 21:08 (ten years ago) link
gtfo w/ 180 minutes !
shouldve def let sodes edit
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 10 July 2013 13:30 (ten years ago) link