get finance bros out of hoops imo
― terence trent d'ilfer (m bison), Monday, 11 July 2022 16:24 (one year ago) link
this guy owns like 20k shares of shot blocking which is great but unfortunately im going to have to exercise my put option on his perimeter d
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 July 2022 16:29 (one year ago) link
r jeff is the feds?
The NBA just announced that Richard Jefferson — yes, THE Richard Jefferson — will referee the second quarter of the Knicks-Blazers summer league game tonight.— Fred Katz (@FredKatz) July 11, 2022
― Spottie, Monday, 11 July 2022 19:18 (one year ago) link
quelle surprise
― terence trent d'ilfer (m bison), Monday, 11 July 2022 19:28 (one year ago) link
compare this to the ayton video game story:https://theathletic.com/3411166/2022/07/11/pistons-saddiq-bey-mountains-grid/?source=emp_shared_article
― Spottie, Monday, 11 July 2022 19:35 (one year ago) link
Xxxpost it was Hollinger, he loved Minott, way off of the consensus
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 11 July 2022 21:31 (one year ago) link
ah very interesting
The asking price appears to be steep, but in the wake of Utah’s recent Rudy Gobert blockbuster deal to Minnesota, the Jazz are no longer simply dismissing calls on Mitchell, sources said.— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) July 12, 2022
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 21:45 (one year ago) link
lol. you don’t say
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 12 July 2022 21:47 (one year ago) link
Notable Kevin Durant update from @wojespn:- Heat are "most determined" to land Kevin Durant- Heat, Suns will "need some help" from other teams to help facilitate Durant deal- No progress with Raptors for Durant because Scottie Barnes is a "non-starter" in trade negotiations pic.twitter.com/OJ8LlDRNYx— Evan Sidery (@esidery) July 12, 2022
― Spottie, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 22:38 (one year ago) link
i may have already said it but i'll say it again, i do not see how miami has the assets to get KD, 3rd team or not
― terence trent d'ilfer (m bison), Tuesday, 12 July 2022 22:39 (one year ago) link
yeah toronto can still put together a better package without barnes
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 22:45 (one year ago) link
the price might end up lower than goberts
― Spottie, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 22:47 (one year ago) link
he will 100% go for lower than gobert, and mithchell too. if the nets were going to get a gobert level package for him he'd already be out the door
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 12 July 2022 22:49 (one year ago) link
bet itll end up being for fewer picks but with a meaningful player or two in it, better than gobert but not as better as durant is than gobert
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 22:50 (one year ago) link
conspiracy theory based on nothing: nets will not trade kd at all, kd only publicized the trade demand so he could remain in kyrie's good graces but he's secretly relieved to be rid of kyrie
― terence trent d'ilfer (m bison), Tuesday, 12 July 2022 22:53 (one year ago) link
the nets are in a horrible position, KD has publicly demanded a trade and unless he changes his mind they have no leverage other than "we'll make you play for us as a hostage." when you combine that + his insistence on choosing his team & the rest of the league's reticence to give up a haul of assets for a 34 year old who doesn't want to be on their team, the result is going to be a trade that pales in comparison to the other star trades we've seen recently
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 12 July 2022 22:53 (one year ago) link
like siakim van vleet and two firsts, is that better than what the jazz got yeah i think it is but its not a "slam dunk"
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 22:54 (one year ago) link
i suspect the nets will be fine with hanging on to him until someone steps up and also that hes prob fine with going to more teams than just the suns and the heat
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 22:55 (one year ago) link
many people seem to think the suns are going to get him which tbf sounds pretty likely when you consider that we recently learned that their gm doesnt believe in the future
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 22:58 (one year ago) link
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, July 12, 2022 3:49 PM (fourteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
it could come later tho
― Spottie, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 23:05 (one year ago) link
i also dont really see kd sitting out if he has to stay? doesnt seem like his m.o.
― Spottie, Tuesday, July 12, 2022 7:05 PM (thirty-eight seconds ago)
i don't think the nets leverage is going to increase over time. the process dragging out is not a positive for them, imo
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 12 July 2022 23:07 (one year ago) link
― terence trent d'ilfer (m bison), Tuesday, July 12, 2022 3:53 PM (thirteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
i like this lol. would be amazing if he ends up having to play with russ again as the consequence
― Spottie, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 23:08 (one year ago) link
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, July 12, 2022 4:07 PM (fifty-four seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink
idk, hes got 4 years on his contract
i just dont see them taking pennies on the dollar for him
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 23:12 (one year ago) link
i don't think it really does anything for them to get into a ben simmons like showdown w/ him. what is the positive outcome for them? a brooding and annoyed KD playing for a middle of the road team? are they gonna force him to play the full 4 years? bcuz his trade value decreases w/ every next game he plays. if they foresee a trade at some point in the next 4 years they might as well just do it now. their other problem is that their model as a glamor market team is to be in the star hunting business and because of that they will prob need to play nice w/ him. you can't really be playing hardball w/ stars and then be trying to convince other stars that you're the best place for them
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 12 July 2022 23:14 (one year ago) link
i dont think miamis going to get him
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 23:15 (one year ago) link
who can they even trade that wouldnt hobble the team
the whole thing has an extreme "cut your losses" vibe to me. they screwed this up massively at several points along the way, they might as well recoup whatever value they can for him now and figure out the next phase of the franchise
it would be one thing if they hadn't just gotten swept out of the first round w/ a fully healthy KD on the court. what is the path for them to accomplish anything w/ KD at this point? does anyone think they have a chance of beating out boston, milwaukee, miami, philly to even have a shot at a title? the experiment is over, they failed. KD asking out while he's still considered a top 5 player in the league might be a blessing in disguise at this point
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 12 July 2022 23:18 (one year ago) link
i think they can find a big deal for him, hes too good to not bring in a haul
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 23:20 (one year ago) link
suns have all their picks btw
tho i suspect what the nets really want is to give this kd/kyrie/simmons team a try
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 23:22 (one year ago) link
― lag∞n, Tuesday, July 12, 2022 7:15 PM (two minutes ago)
if it really just comes down to phoenix and miami i think you could make the argument that herro & strus are an equal or better package of players compared to bridges & cam johnson. if you're competing for a title you'd rather have bridges than herro but bridges on a gutted roster isn't doing much for you, herro prob has more value bcuz he can run offense. strus is great value on a minimum deal and duncan robinson as salary filler is pretty easily rehabbed, he was fine last year he just wasn't good enough to play on a team that was legitimately competing for a title. but there's plenty of teams that could use him. so it would come down to who was willing to cough up more picks & for that reason i think it would be phoenix but it could be the heat, at that point who knows
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 12 July 2022 23:23 (one year ago) link
lol yeah kds not getting traded for herro and strus
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 23:25 (one year ago) link
i'm sure the nets agree which is why he hasn't been traded yet. but if he goes to miami or phoenix it would really be a trade for picks and they would just have to accept the role player appetizer sampler as the players in return. bcuz they aren't getting butler, bam, cp3, booker or ayton. so who is left?
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 12 July 2022 23:29 (one year ago) link
― lag∞n, Tuesday, July 12, 2022 7:20 PM (two minutes ago)
the raptors are the key team. but if it's a market that is closed to all but 3 teams it's going to naturally depress what the nets can get back for him regardless of how good ppl think he is. the best case scenario for them is to have phoenix and toronto bidding against each other bcuz phoenix will offer the mega picks package and then maybe the nets can hit the sweet spot of getting a siakam + van vleet + picks package from the raptors. but the raptors have no real incentive to do that if all phoenix and miami are offering are the equally middling packages of role players and 2-3 firsts and swaps
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 12 July 2022 23:31 (one year ago) link
i mean first of all bridges and johnson are much better than herro and strus and the suns have one more first available to trade than the heat, but also the idea that kd cant be traded to another team or that either the heat or the suns wont let a good player peel off seems pretty dubious
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 23:35 (one year ago) link
worth noting too re holding on to kd if they dont find a deal they like that all the contracts signed this summer become eligible to be traded at some point during the season so their is some incentive to wait, also theres time for teams to decide they need him
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 23:38 (one year ago) link
― lag∞n, Tuesday, July 12, 2022 4:25 PM (nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
hah yeah man no way jordan. if bam isnt in on it the nets arent doing it. theyre gonna hold til they get at LEAST one all star level player back.
― Spottie, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 23:39 (one year ago) link
theyre gonna hold til they get at LEAST one all star level player back.
― Spottie, Tuesday, July 12, 2022 7:39 PM (two minutes ago)
yeah daryl morey played this game too and he ended up having to attach seth curry and two first round picks to get back james harden
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 12 July 2022 23:44 (one year ago) link
this is what a heat trade looks like
https://i.imgur.com/Q5gVF41.png
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 23:44 (one year ago) link
that was ben simmons tho xp
― Spottie, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 23:44 (one year ago) link
its also a very reasonable deal for the james harden that exists in moreys mind
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 23:45 (one year ago) link
heir other problem is that their model as a glamor market team is to be in the star hunting business and because of that they will prob need to play nice w/ him. you can't really be playing hardball w/ stars and then be trying to convince other stars that you're the best place for them
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, July 12, 2022 4:14 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
i think tsai might be rethinking their stance on how they team build going forward.
― Spottie, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 23:52 (one year ago) link
Did u add to your legacy today? If so, what did u do?— Kevin Durant (@KDTrey5) July 12, 2022
the heat aren't trading bam to get KD
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 12 July 2022 23:53 (one year ago) link
i mean i wouldnt
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 23:56 (one year ago) link
but they would be getting back a very similar player in ben simmons just with heat culture levels set to zero
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 23:57 (one year ago) link
they could consider it a challenge
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 13 July 2022 00:00 (one year ago) link
i think for the heat the calculus is pretty simple. if they're in a bidding war w/ phoenix they won't have to trade bam bcuz phoenix won't be putting a comparable player on the table and so it's just about whether they're willing to put in more picks than phoenix. and if it's an open market then other teams will be able to put together better packages and they'll just keep their assets for mitchell or whatever else
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 13 July 2022 00:04 (one year ago) link