catβ there are used UHaul dealerships, usually attached to larger regular UHaul service centers, all over the place. We bought ours (in 2013, mind you) for $2300 (actually $1600, with 700 for back registration fees and etc).
We built a lofted bed that partly went into the "granny's attic" so that we could have more space, put in bookshelves and storage for dry goods, and a small kitchen (aka a sink attached to a 10 gallon drum and a bilge pump on a light-switch, alongside a butane-driven hotplate).
At first we moved around more, but eventually we settled outside our friends' warehouse space in West Oakland, and we would use their bathroom and shower at the gym, which was close by.
We also installed solar panels, so that we were able to charge phones, laptops, and all sorts of other devices in the comfort of the truck.
Sarahell saw it and can attest that it was a beast.
My partner and I had been together for 1.5 years when we moved into it, and while at first I was convinced it would break us apart, I think it actually made our relationship much strongerβ when there's only 140 feet to move around in, you learn to talk things through and compromise.
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Wednesday, 6 July 2022 02:14 (one year ago) link
woah, thank you! with the luxury of not having been there & of knowing y'all made it through okay, it sounds kind of crazy romantic.
there's cheap chunks of land around but the kind of money & sweat equity required to make them livable is out of reach, at least until my cult takes off. need me a passel of hobbits, dang it!
― bule bulak oying (cat), Wednesday, 6 July 2022 04:44 (one year ago) link
If I were not a father and a rock musician, I imagine I could very happily live in a Mazda 3 hatchback, or even a Dutch cargo bicycle.
Unfortunately I am a rock musician (which implies drums, amps, PA, guitars, and space to make noise without disturbing neighbors). I will admit to envying the Airstream in "Sound of Metal."
But a family with school-age children (as I have) is not a great candidate for any of these lifestyles.
― Nutellanor Roosevelt (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 6 July 2022 16:14 (one year ago) link
explains why i don't and won't ever have kids, tbh-- even more than the being gay thing
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Wednesday, 6 July 2022 16:22 (one year ago) link
The percentage US home for sale that have cut their asking price over the last 4 weeks is at the highest level we've seen since Redfin started tracking the data in 2015.https://t.co/i26yC3A0R0 pic.twitter.com/fiPBcVYkdF— Charlie Bilello (@charliebilello) July 24, 2022
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Sunday, 24 July 2022 22:37 (one year ago) link
hell yeah
― terence trent d'ilfer (m bison), Sunday, 24 July 2022 22:45 (one year ago) link
still not coming down enough in the DC area, though. BUT, my fiancee and I are about to make an offer on a two-bedroom condo so we can move in together (she has a small one-BR in the same, nice building as the unit we are making an offer in the less salubrious part of Arlington VA, I co-own a condo in the Maryland exurbs with my brother that used to be my home but more or less live with my fiancee now).
― Antifa Sandwich Artist (Boring, Maryland), Sunday, 24 July 2022 23:28 (one year ago) link
I think the problem the homebuyers face is that prices experienced such an extreme runup in the last two years that they could fall quite substantially and still be unaffordable. In fact they could fall all the way back to January 2020 levels and still be less affordable due to rate increases.
I also can't say I see evidence of any kind of major market correction in my area (NYC suburbs) but maybe evidence that things have peaked and are starting to roll off the craziness a little. It's also like prime season for people to be closing sales here (most people look for places in the Spring and close May-August to get their kids into schools) so it may take a little time to see any impact.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 25 July 2022 00:05 (one year ago) link
Price cuts driven by 2019-2021 buyers trying to cash out and setting greedy first prices.
― Herby Dutch Baby (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 25 July 2022 03:26 (one year ago) link
It seems that Opendoor is offering $$ to sellers to cancel contracts.If its just bc they think they missed on a valuations, then itβs smart to cut losses.But the owner (an RE professional) says that the price was at/below market. So could be a more meaningful pullback. https://t.co/o6sIIuyp8X— Bobby Fijan (@bobbyfijan) July 27, 2022
The housing boom ends, and nowhere in America boomed as much as Boise, Idaho61% of listings in the metro area had a price cut in June, the highest rate out of 97 metro areas surveyed https://t.co/KRyYnqxyem— Nick Timiraos (@NickTimiraos) July 27, 2022
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Wednesday, 27 July 2022 17:32 (one year ago) link
What is OpenDoor? I assume they buy houses, like Zillow tried to do?
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 27 July 2022 18:09 (one year ago) link
yeah ok guess that's what it is. It's a "WE PAY CASH $$$ 4 HOUSES" flyer on a national/corporate scale
yup, like zillow's ibuying business but that's all they do. they're allegedly slightly better at it than zillow were (their offers on my place are always lower than zillow's), but it's hard to do in a reversing market.
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Wednesday, 27 July 2022 18:47 (one year ago) link
(1/6) U.S home prices fell 4.1% ($17,603) year over year in April. Thatβs the biggest dollar drop and the largest percentage decline since January 2012.In pandemic boomtowns and pricey coastal markets, home prices are falling even further. #housingmarket— Redfin (@Redfin) May 22, 2023
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Monday, 22 May 2023 18:37 (eleven months ago) link
Hell yeah hook me up
― G. DβArcy Cheesewright (silby), Tuesday, 23 May 2023 00:08 (eleven months ago) link
you love to see it
― budo jeru, Tuesday, 23 May 2023 00:11 (eleven months ago) link
Unfortunately interest rates aren't cooperating
― she works hard for the monkey (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 23 May 2023 00:26 (eleven months ago) link
Interest rates going up are the reason prices are going down. It's the monthly payment that determines yes/no on buying a house, unless you have a big wad of cash.
― nickn, Tuesday, 23 May 2023 00:50 (eleven months ago) link
Prcey coastal markets soon to be nestling in the actual ocean could be one reason for the fall there
― purveyors of landfill zeuhl (Matt #2), Tuesday, 23 May 2023 02:02 (eleven months ago) link
thing is that interest rates change, the price you paid for the house never does, so long term you could argue that lower price + higher rates might be better than if higher price + low rates were about the same monthly payment
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 23 May 2023 03:13 (eleven months ago) link
what's wild is the *average rate* since 1971 is 7.75%
from the late 70s through early 80s they were just through the roof
― mh, Tuesday, 23 May 2023 20:43 (eleven months ago) link
Yeah but much lower prices
― a (waterface), Tuesday, 23 May 2023 23:15 (eleven months ago) link
Yeah the monthly payments as a percentage of income was lower or the same despite the high rates
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 24 May 2023 06:50 (eleven months ago) link
β purveyors of landfill zeuhl (Matt #2), Monday, May 22, 2023 7:02 PM (yesterday)
it's more along the lines of remote work means people can move to cheaper areas and have bigger houses for less money ... also crime + homelessness. at least as far as the west coast of the US is concerned
― sarahell, Wednesday, 24 May 2023 07:06 (eleven months ago) link
I've read that one reason housing prices haven't gone down despite the rise in interest rates is that the recession hasn't started yet - people aren't losing their jobs and being forced to sell their houses in firesales like in 2008. so, it's good because people with houses are keeping their jobs and not getting evicted by the banks, but it's bad because people who don't have houses yet all of a sudden are finding it much more expensive to buy
― ιΎ, Wednesday, 24 May 2023 17:34 (eleven months ago) link
people also refinanced their already smaller mortgages at very low rates, making the threshold for firesale higher even in a recession.
― Enumerated funks of Walsh, Joe. (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 24 May 2023 17:55 (eleven months ago) link
In the US there is a multi-factor thing which is rather all intertwined. COVID created two years of very accelerated volume in house purchases. It would make sense that the market would be slower after those years. Then there is the fact that a very large number of home owners are locked in at extremely low rates which will also further reduce the willingness to sell / move.
So you have really low inventory which is basically holding prices up a lot, sometimes creating bidding wars even though interest rates have increased so much. The conforming mortgage level has basically increased 50% over the course of three years (from around $500k to $740k now).
It is a very unusual dynamic.
― horizontal, Thursday, 25 May 2023 17:52 (eleven months ago) link
there's also stuff like aging baby boomers wanting to grow old at home, the increased ease in short-term rentals, and maybe(?) fewer traditional single family homes being built (there definitely wasn't as much construction during the height of covid), but people still want that? just spitballing
― sarahell, Thursday, 25 May 2023 20:18 (eleven months ago) link
im not a fan to be honest. I mean it'll be nice getting some of the money back we put in, assuming I dont die first, but this being stuck in one place is the pits
― But who are we doing it versus? (sunny successor), Friday, 26 May 2023 18:23 (eleven months ago) link
Sometimes i daydream about a natural disaster that flattens our house when none of us are home and somehow all the animals are safe. oh the freedom.
― But who are we doing it versus? (sunny successor), Friday, 26 May 2023 18:54 (eleven months ago) link
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Getaway-Pad-540-sq-ft-1-Bed-and-Roof-Deck-Tiny-Home-Steel-Frame-Building-Kit-ADU-Cabin-Guest-house-GPRD540/320746688
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Thursday, 1 June 2023 03:42 (eleven months ago) link
So we've circled back to the Sears catalog.
― pplains, Thursday, 1 June 2023 13:44 (eleven months ago) link
Replacement cost seems reasonable. State Farm might even insure it.
― Enumerated funks of Walsh, Joe. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 1 June 2023 14:34 (eleven months ago) link
Not gonna lie, I was thinking this in March when the tornado was going through town and we were in the bedroom closet. "Just leave the safe and my rum collection and take everything else, c'mon Mr. Tough Storm"
― The Terroir of Tiny Town (WmC), Thursday, 1 June 2023 15:01 (eleven months ago) link
home insurance? what's that?
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/31/climate/climate-change-insurance-wildfires-california.html
― ιΎ, Thursday, 1 June 2023 15:35 (eleven months ago) link
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β But who are we doing it versus? (sunny successor), Friday, May 26, 2023 1:54 PM (six days ago) bookmarkflaglink
really hard to feel sympathetic tbh
― budo jeru, Thursday, 1 June 2023 15:46 (eleven months ago) link
state farm is our home insurer in CA. we're going to rent our place out (joining the landlord class), so i called our agent there to switch it to landlord insurance last month and they said "no, we're not doing any new policies insuring residential structures in CA, can't tell you why, but you'll see in a couple of weeks". haha.
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Thursday, 1 June 2023 16:58 (eleven months ago) link
what do they know?!
― mh, Sunday, 4 June 2023 15:31 (eleven months ago) link
caek - you would probably want to contact CA Fair Plan - I mean, if you want to make sure you have insurance and the regular companies are denying you?
― sarahell, Sunday, 4 June 2023 16:57 (eleven months ago) link
fire insurance is earthquake insurance now
― Enumerated funks of Walsh, Joe. (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 4 June 2023 17:21 (eleven months ago) link
(Though of course you won't even get a mortgage without fire insurance)
I've read that one reason housing prices haven't gone down despite the rise in interest rates is that the recession hasn't started yet - people aren't losing their jobs and being forced to sell their houses in firesales like in 2008. so, it's good because people with houses are keeping their jobs and not getting evicted by the banks, but it's bad because people who don't have houses yet all of a sudden are finding it much more expensive to buyβ ιΎ, Wednesday, May 24, 2023 1:34 PM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglinkSo you have really low inventory which is basically holding prices up a lot, sometimes creating bidding wars even though interest rates have increased so much. The conforming mortgage level has basically increased 50% over the course of three years (from around $500k to $740k now).It is a very unusual dynamic.β horizontal, Thursday, May 25, 2023 1:52 PM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink
β ιΎ, Wednesday, May 24, 2023 1:34 PM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink
β horizontal, Thursday, May 25, 2023 1:52 PM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink
right. there's this sense that prices should be down (via 7% mortgage rates), but apparent prices (well, zestimates) are being held up by a lack of homes on the market (i.e. comps). could change
What happens in Vegas doesn't always stay in Vegas. https://t.co/gZHRbsNxV9— Aaron Layman (@dfwaaronlayman) June 5, 2023
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Monday, 5 June 2023 18:38 (ten months ago) link
it's probably Henderson and not actually Vegas but ...
― sarahell, Monday, 5 June 2023 19:15 (ten months ago) link
If you bought a home anytime between 2010 and now, mortgage rates are meaningfully higher than whatever rate you have on your current home, so moving means paying more for the same amount of house (often hundreds or even thousands of dollars per month), even after you account for whatever equity you have accumulated from your own home's rising price. There are certain buying years in the past decade or so where your mortgage interest rate is likely half of current rates. So there's not a lot of incentive to sell your home as long as you can afford your payment. And there aren't a lot of current homeowners with ARMs or subprime mortgages that legit can't afford their homes. Hence low inventory.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 5 June 2023 19:25 (ten months ago) link
well, yes. the point is inventory is rising.
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Monday, 5 June 2023 19:52 (ten months ago) link
Hmm. Iβll look into this tomorrow. While active listings as tracked by https://t.co/tBRH4VE5ZA wonβt be a perfect match with MLS data, it (Vegas) shouldnβt be off like this. https://t.co/96ADTWjv3O— Lance Lambert (@NewsLambert) June 5, 2023
― bulb after bulb, Monday, 5 June 2023 20:07 (ten months ago) link
in one market, not nationally if you read the thread
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 5 June 2023 20:08 (ten months ago) link
(even putting aside the potential data issue, xp)
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 5 June 2023 20:09 (ten months ago) link
we all know inventory is low, and why it's low. you're missing the point.
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Monday, 5 June 2023 22:41 (ten months ago) link
but if you want to write a paragraph explaining why mortgage payments go up when mortgage rates go up then far be it from me to stand in your way.
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Monday, 5 June 2023 22:42 (ten months ago) link