U.S. Supreme Court: Post-Ginsburg Edition

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if the Dem party was functional at all they'd be working on clear legislation to solidify these laws but I am guessing they see saving the planet we all live on as a divisive issue

frogbs, Thursday, 30 June 2022 14:27 (one year ago) link

It costs too much.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 30 June 2022 14:29 (one year ago) link

I recently read a Stanford study which tried to estimate the cost of converting every nation on the planet to 100% renewables, landing on a number around $60 trillion

that's a lot, but they also estimated the planet would save $11 trillion or so every year, meaning it would pay for itself within 5 1/2 years. not to mention the massive impacts on the environment and public health

so of course our dumb species won't do it, we won't even try

frogbs, Thursday, 30 June 2022 14:33 (one year ago) link

In his dissent, Thomas claims that COVID vaccines were developed with the use of "aborted children." https://t.co/43cSrepGNn

— Mark Joseph Stern (@mjs_DC) June 30, 2022

jesus christ

frogbs, Thursday, 30 June 2022 15:05 (one year ago) link

clarence thomas i wish you a very die

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 30 June 2022 15:11 (one year ago) link

I still own isclarencethomasdeadyet.com. anybody wanna help me develop it?

I had a static page up on there that just said "unfortunately no" but idk maybe we can do better.

Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Thursday, 30 June 2022 15:16 (one year ago) link

Just in: In an election case out of North Carolina, SCOTUS agrees to review the "independent state legislature" theory next term. Under that theory, state legislatures have broad power to set rules for federal elections, even if state courts say those rules are unconstitutional.

— SCOTUSblog (@SCOTUSblog) June 30, 2022

^^ very bad

in places all over the world, real stuff be happening (voodoo chili), Thursday, 30 June 2022 16:00 (one year ago) link

yea that seems to lay the groundwork to make the attempted coup in 2020 actually successful this time

frogbs, Thursday, 30 June 2022 16:03 (one year ago) link

From here it looks like a majority of the court would vote in favor of a ruling based on the legal theory that "might makes right".

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 30 June 2022 16:05 (one year ago) link

“Supreme Court Rules That Supreme Court Lacks Legal Reason to Exist”

There’s a spoken word Godspeed You Black Emperor quote that suits how I feel about life in this country lately, let’s see, what was it?

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 30 June 2022 16:32 (one year ago) link

It occurred to me yesterday: Bloom County devoted dozens of strips to Reagan, Poppy, and the legislative branch. Guess the Burger Court was too boring to satirize.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 June 2022 16:36 (one year ago) link

They did!

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 30 June 2022 16:39 (one year ago) link

ooh! Do show!

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 June 2022 16:40 (one year ago) link

Oh, no, I meant: you’re right.

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 30 June 2022 16:48 (one year ago) link

They are telegraphing their intentions this far out and yet we can all rest assured that the Dems will not do one fucking thing to stop it. Time to get the fuck out of the country.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 30 June 2022 17:47 (one year ago) link

It feels almost inevitable that the deciding vote in the House on overturning the popular vote in '24 will come from a far-right firebrand elected in '22 thanks to Democratic support in the primary.

I have great-grandparents who came over on the boat from Finland, maybe it's time to start learning the language and exploring my options.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 30 June 2022 17:50 (one year ago) link

will Geir take us in

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 June 2022 17:50 (one year ago) link

Not that there is any realistic plan for getting the fuck out of Dodge, I'm just completely out of hope after the last two weeks. We've got a rogue SCOTUS completely crippling our democracy for the foreseeable future, the Dems are too busy fundraising to spend on far-right primary candidates to do a fucking thing to stop it and voting rights are being completely gutted. Hard to imagine how anything turns around at this point.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 30 June 2022 17:51 (one year ago) link

My only option for grandparent-citizenship in Europe is fucking Poland (sorry Poles).

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 30 June 2022 17:51 (one year ago) link

"The left needs to stand down so we can stop fascism!"
*funds fascism*

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 30 June 2022 17:52 (one year ago) link

Back in 2017, I predicted, only partly tongue in cheek, that Trumps' Court would not rest until it had reversed those pesky child labor laws. I really don't think it's out of the question.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 30 June 2022 17:55 (one year ago) link

I have great-grandparents who came over on the boat from Finland, maybe it's time to start learning the language and exploring my options.


Ha I actually looked into this but great-grandparents don’t seem to count so we’re screwed.

Which might be good cause the language is exceedingly difficult - a friend has been married to a Finn for a decade; he speaks Finnish exclusively with their children, and they all lived there for a year and she took language classes and everything still has like a toddler level understanding.

joygoat, Thursday, 30 June 2022 18:21 (one year ago) link

Finnish isn't an actual language; it's something they made up to disorient and terrify the Russians during the war, and then it just kind of stuck.

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 30 June 2022 18:24 (one year ago) link

maybe we'll get lucky and some of these justices will live long enough to perish in one of the future natural disasters they directly caused with their epa decision

in places all over the world, real stuff be happening (voodoo chili), Thursday, 30 June 2022 18:32 (one year ago) link

or Kavanaugh can get eaten by something

Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Thursday, 30 June 2022 18:35 (one year ago) link

My grandmother spoke it before she spoke English; her parents spoke little English and never learned much in their small community in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. We hosted a Finnish exchange student about a dozen years ago. I saw an email he wrote to his parents--it looked like long strings of random vowels and consonants with the occasional umlaut thrown in.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 30 June 2022 18:36 (one year ago) link

Reminds me of a story my grandfather used to tell about the rural Illinois town he grew up in; a Czech guy moved to town and assumed he was learning English from his neighbors, but he was actually learning Swedish.

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 30 June 2022 18:43 (one year ago) link

I feel like this EPA decision could be catastrophic

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 30 June 2022 19:20 (one year ago) link

I feel like this EPA decision could be catastrophic

Honestly, I don't. Big Industry has figured out that there's money to be made in doing things in a cleaner and more efficient manner. They'll make changes on their own (have already been doing so for years) and Republicans (and Joe Manchin) will scrape their knuckles on the ground and mutter "But we got the judges t'say y' didn't hafta!"

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 30 June 2022 20:05 (one year ago) link

Yeah I mean a decade ago this would’ve been really frightening but the entire energy sector does seem to be making a lot of strides right now

frogbs, Thursday, 30 June 2022 21:51 (one year ago) link

I don’t see some numbered industrial chemical company (for example) really caring what people on Instagram think, when they can save a few bucks by dumping their waste directly into the nearest river with zero oversight. It’s only going to take a small number of businesses to totally fuck shit up.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 30 June 2022 23:46 (one year ago) link

The year is 2024. SCOTUS just voted 5-4 to allow hunting homeless people for sport, with Roberts joining the minority, arguing that only homeless not actively seeking work should be hunted

— Ken Klippenstein (@kenklippenstein) June 30, 2022

papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 1 July 2022 00:00 (one year ago) link

xp it is catastrophic. rolling back the power of federal agencies -- that is, the ones that serve interests other than corporate profits -- is going to be a major goal of this right wing court.

treeship., Friday, 1 July 2022 01:40 (one year ago) link

Regarding the EPA decision, the major questions doctrine seems like a legitimate question to ask, following from the separation of powers. Roberts may be guilty of using incrementalism as a magic escape hatch, but I sometimes wonder if he is conscious of the reception of expert opinion. Is he pragmatic, institutionally grandiose, aware of anti-intellectualism in the 21st C., ... ?

But doesn't the investment in new sectors delay benefits, and would decision makers expect to be around to reap the benefits and to profit personally?

youn, Friday, 1 July 2022 10:38 (one year ago) link

Government subsidies could provide the bridge to reduce the cost (and the delayed gratification) of the investment, so it is still plausible that Big Business could switch if anyone is still in touch with reality.

youn, Friday, 1 July 2022 10:53 (one year ago) link

Have you read Kagan's dissent? It makes it clear how aggressive and results-oriented the application of this supposed doctrine is in this case. In the section of the law in question, Congress gave the agency the power to make these calls. The Court is, by fiat, deciding "ehhh.... no it didn't."

Doctor Casino, Friday, 1 July 2022 11:39 (one year ago) link

I should read the dissent because the parts that were quoted in the NYT were memorable. Thanks.

I agree that it seems to have been a misapplication (if the doctrine itself is valid and worth retaining now and in the future, based on the little that I know of legal theory) and that the most likely interpretation is that Roberts made his decision based on outcome. (I still wonder about his motives and his rationale.)

youn, Friday, 1 July 2022 11:51 (one year ago) link

His motives and his rationale are continuing to fatten the wallets of the Koch brothers and their brethren.

broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Friday, 1 July 2022 12:07 (one year ago) link

Does this work or not anymore if ever -- id : legislative :: ego : executive :: super-ego : judicial ?

youn, Friday, 1 July 2022 12:08 (one year ago) link

Like I know you’re trying to be reasonable but the myth that Roberts is the reasonable one is dangerous. Every single one of the conservatives on the court has no regard for human lives except those of the white, rich, donor class that they serve.

broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Friday, 1 July 2022 12:09 (one year ago) link

Roberts may not be the case to consider, but I think there has to be a premise of common humanity or everything falls apart.

youn, Friday, 1 July 2022 12:11 (one year ago) link

Roberts looks reasonable b/c the three Trump nominees pushed the Court further right and finally gave Alito and Thomas working majorities.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 July 2022 12:14 (one year ago) link

xp to youn

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 July 2022 12:15 (one year ago) link

Roberts may not be the case to consider, but I think there has to be a premise of common humanity or everything falls apart.


I won’t attempt to find common humanity with people who want to kill me and my partner and all of our friends. What a ludicrous fucking thing to say.

broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Friday, 1 July 2022 12:19 (one year ago) link

I wouldn't worry about the details of the legal basis of these decisions. The result is all that matters to them and they won't hesitate to contradict that basis if they need to for a future result.

I think there has to be a premise of common humanity or everything falls apart.

Oh good, we've got two treeships now.

but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 1 July 2022 12:25 (one year ago) link

🖕

treeship., Friday, 1 July 2022 13:03 (one year ago) link

You’re such a miserable person it’s incredible to me you even have the energy to post.

treeship., Friday, 1 July 2022 13:06 (one year ago) link


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