The Fall of Roe v Wade: US Politics, June 2022

Anyway, she said Obama couldn't get anybody like her through, pretty sure she did. Whether she was full of old person shit or not, that's it.

She may have been right but her mistake was maybe in thinking there wasn't an even worse outcome.

Pretty sure that Harry Reid with 51+1 in 2013-2014 could have gotten someone through who was a carbon copy of Ginsburg.

Until all these off the record people countering her testimony go under oath, fuck 'em.

No reports yet of any disputes of the metal detector thing, or the clavicles, for that matter, or ketchup or "Mike deserves it" or coup plans or evident awareness that a shitstorm was coming on the Hill, and w/o talking to Capitol Police about it, or anything else in there.

Fuck the steering wheel and ketchup sideshow there is so much criminal shit that is getting buried by that trivial nonsense.

ketchup is meaningless, steering wheel is a funny story but if trump is ever going to be charged with a criminal act for sedition, things like grabbing the steering wheel in an attempt to go to a seemingly dangerous situation, where the only thing that possibly makes sense is that he wanted for the rioters to see him and cheer for him, will be important

(i think there is a 0.00000001% chance trump ever goes to jail)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/06/29/democrats-stop-funding-right-wing-candidates/

Goddamnit! I keep trying not to fall into utter despair and keep trying to suck it up and resist the temptation to just trash the democrats in the hope of not tamping down any groundswell of energy that might come from all this shit going on, but fuck, they are so fucking stupid and they never learn!

I mean even if these people all lose in the general, the Democrats have just spent a lot of money to further promote and amplify dangerous conspiracy theories and anti-democratc forces

I never wanted Trump to win the R nomination even while I believed he had no chance to win. A) didn't want the possibility but B) didn't want a full year of that toxicity.

Glad to see we think this was a feature, not a bug

from Politico Nightly:

After weeks of publicly calling on former White House Counsel Pat Cipollone to cooperate with the investigation, the Jan. 6 committee subpoenaed him this evening for a deposition scheduled for July 6.

During her testimony on Tuesday, White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson described an explosive account in which Cipollone warned of legal culpability if Donald Trump followed his supporters on a march to the White House. Hutchinson has also testified to the committee that Cipollone repeatedly expressed legal misgivings about Trump’s efforts to send false presidential electors to Congress and various other aspects of his bid to stay in power on Jan. 6, when Congress met to count electoral votes, write Betsy Woodruff Swan, Nicholas Wu and Kyle Cheney.

More, from ABC:

Cipollone is evaluating the subpoena and his team is involved with the committee on the parameters surrounding an eventual closed-door deposition, sources close to him told ABC News.

There is an expectation that he and the committee will reach an agreement on the terms by the requested deposition date of July 6, though sources emphasize the fluid nature of the talks.

Sources said that among the topics for testimony about which Cipollone and the committee are negotiating: the actions taken by former top Department of Justice official Jeffrey Clark to use the powers of the DOJ to attempt to overturn the 2020 presidential election; what Cipollone did the day of Jan. 6, 2021, excluding conversations he had directly with former President Trump; interactions he was present for or had with former Trump lawyer John Eastman; and interactions he was present for or had with members of Congress post-2020 election.

The information shared with the committee could be impacted by a number of factors, sources familiar with the deliberations said. That includes whether Trump's presence in any of the past meetings could result in potential claims of executive privilege.

Cipollone and former deputy White House counsel Pat Philbin met with committee investigators for an informal interview in April. Cipollone and Philbin engaged on these topics during that previous meeting with committee investigators.

excluding conversations he had directly with former President Trump

re Democrats supporting far right candidates:

Emmanuel Macron is now allying with the far right in France, against the left, having repeatedly used the far right as the threat to make people vote for him.

i saw on twitter that RBG had severe regrets right as she was dying about not retiring at the time, i realize it's gossip and not sourced (can't remember where I saw it either) but it made me feel a little better to entertain the possibility that she realized she had fucked up

this is great

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meetthepressblog/warnock-holds-double-digit-lead-walker-new-poll-finds-rcna35985

still incredibly mad about the Washington Post piece, the sheer unmitigated gall of Democrats begging for donations as soon as Roe was overturned only to use that money to fund fascists who think women who get abortions should be beheaded

I'm donating to abortion funds only. no candidates. they can eat happy meals for 10 months instead of steak tartare, fuck em

still incredibly mad about the Washington Post piece, the sheer unmitigated gall of Democrats begging for donations as soon as Roe was overturned only to use that money to fund fascists who think women who get abortions should be beheaded

― frogbs, Thursday, June 30, 2022 8:21 AM (twenty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah I mean saying it again, even if that were an airtight strategy for winning an election, it is insanely dangerous anyway because it's just further amplifying and promoting those ideas. There's not much space between that and just funding nazis.

Biden's finally on board, though apparently doesn't want to try it until after election cos of Manchin/Sinema et all

https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-says-transatlantic-alliance-adapted-131056769.html

(my confidence in this happening is still like 20%, but it was 0% prior so, it's movement I guess)

my confidence is 0% since the inevitable Republican House is not going to pass it

lol goddamn that is some absolute sicko shit. I just…. god damn. boomer centrism going fully accelerationist.

Strange how the AP story has no direct quote of Biden agreeing to scrap filibuster.

What is Biden on board with?

working with Mitch to appoint more conservative judges

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o593zZyfFfc

I’m less able to donate generally than before, but when I do it’s more likely to be directly to causes - hunger, homelessness, women’s productive health, etc.

I am kinda beside myself over how much I naively gave to Dems who turned out to have zero shot in 2020

I got really angry at dems about that too - how much they bulshitted people about candidates who could supposedly beat McConnell or Graham or whoever. It's a grift imo. I sometimes joke now "I'm not giving any more money to political candidates until I'm at the point where I can give enough to get something in return."

still incredibly mad about the Washington Post piece

Same, fuckin same. I suddenly have reached the point where I cannot eat one more ounce of shit from these idiots. It’s disgusting.

I get so many emails from the Democratic Party pleading for cash. So many of them sound absolutely desperate. It's embarrassing, frankly.

Those emails are the fucking worst. There are two basic strains. The first kind looks like internet 1997 and says shit like "HUMILIATING DEFEAT! Nancy Pelosi needs to raise $10 million by tomorrow or Republicans will win!" I find these not only aggravating but intensely demoralizing and they only increase my association of Democrats with losing. The second are the more Obama-style ones that get overly familiar and come from like "Vicky for Senate!" or start "I'm Dave-o's Mom And I Want To Tell You About My Son"

Yes, exactly. Or the ones who say something like "McConnell is FURIOUS!" Referring, not to McConnell actually being furious, but to something he might or should be furious about, e.g., Amy Klobuchar saying on some news show. They all make me want to stop giving money to the party altogether.

Here's one I just got:

Click here to unsubscribe

James -- This is a hard email to write.

But Democrats are about to lose our shot at winning the Senate Majority... we’re going to hand Mitch McConnell complete control over Joe Biden.

Almost no one -- seriously, NO ONE -- has donated to boost Democratic Voter Turnout in Pennsylvania.

If we miss tonight’s 25,000 donation goal, our campaign in Pennsylvania (THE MOST COMPETITIVE SENATE RACE) is DONE. McConnell wins again. We. Would. CRY.

So this is your FINAL chance to do the right thing! We are BEGGING you to donate.
James You Have NOT DONATED to Boost Voter Turnout in Pennsylvania!

CAN YOU DONATE TO HELP SAVE FETTERMAN’S CAMPAIGN AND HUMILIATE MITCH MCCONNELL? →

Donate $5 →

Donate $25 →

Donate $50 →

Donate $100 →

Donate $500 →

Or donate another amount →

James -- if we can help elect Fetterman, Democrats will keep the Senate. It’s that simple.

That’s why we set a lofty fundraising goal of 25,000 donations by midnight tonight. We’ll use that money to SKYROCKET Democratic Voter Turnout and DESTROY the Republicans!

But James, we are still well short of that goal. So we need you to rush $5 to help save John Fetterman. →

Donate $5 →

Donate $25 →

Donate $50 →

Donate $100 →

Donate $500 →

Or donate another amount →

We’re not ready to quit. We need you with us.
- Progressive Turnout Project

The subject line is "We Are Sorry."

We’re not ready to quit.

You sure aren't.

I will say, I am genuinely curious how my $5 donation will SKYROCKET Democratic voter turnout and DESTROY the Republicans.

Of course!

https://i.gifer.com/MCvC.gif

the only consolation I have is that Republican fundraising emails are somehow even worse! it's always shit like "Hey! It's Don Jr.! My Dad noticed the other day that you didn't appear on our MEGA GOLDEN PATRIOT list, and, uh...I kinda vouched for you dude...he said he was really disappointed and wondered if you'd fallen under the spell of the GROOMER DEMOCRATS...anyway...if you could uh, give me 5 dollars..."

I've pulled back so much from keeping up with political news since the beginning of last year but I'm genuinely about to give up altogether. Just assume that vulnerable communities will always be under assault and figure out how best to help them directly, vote locally, and fuck giving one iota of attention to any elected POS in every other level of government because what is even the point of paying attention at this point. It's all such demoralizing pyramid scheme theater.

The worst I've ever gotten was a fundraising mailer that looked like a collections letter, at a time when I was panicking because of actual collections agencies (because a hospital was mad that I didn't pay $5000 for 6 stitches and to be told that I didn't have a concussion).

xp that's going to have to be my default mode soon here too, Old Lunch, until they start rounding people up for sexing obv

we’re going to hand Mitch McConnell complete control over Joe Biden.

Uh oh he's going to make him nominate anti-abortion federal judges

Lol @ subject line “We Are Sorry”

"Packing Our Bags" is a recurring one.

lmao, sounds about right

82-year-old Patrick Leahy needs hip surgery after falling in his Virginia home. Unclear how long he’ll be out in the 50-50 Senate. Senators are on recess next week as well. His office notes he was “born blind in one eye” and “has had a lifelong struggle” with depth perception pic.twitter.com/9JhgypezIi

— Manu Raju (@mkraju) June 30, 2022

Senate might want to build a residential care home somewhere on the Hill

We. Would. CRY. for July thread title.