2022 NBA OFF SEASON DRAFT FREE AGENCY TAMPERING ETC

The Atlanta Hawks are trading Danilo Gallinari and multiple first-round picks to the San Antonio Spurs for All-Star guard Dejounte Murray, sources tell ESPN.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) June 29, 2022

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The Hawks are sending a 2023 first-round pick via Charlotte, and their own 2025 and 2027 first-round picks to the Spurs in the deal, sources tell ESPN. Spurs will also get a pick swap in 2026.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) June 29, 2022

nice haul

spurs fans are upset

its possible he wanted out and never made it public?

thats a lotta picks

if trae is willing to play off ball this could be real nice imo

Yo great move by the hawks. Now move Collins

That charlotte pick is pretty well protected

its possible he wanted out and never made it public?

i'm pretty sure the spurs were like "oh you wanna trade us two unprotected first and another first from one of the sorriest franchises in the NBA for a borderline all star PG who can't shoot? ok."

i think this serves atlanta's short-term interest to be in the playoffs, i just dont know HOW much better this makes atl. mia, mil, bos, tor, phi all have an edge, bk still might fuck around and bring the team back. i had similar feelings about chicago's offseason last year.

that is just a lot for murray. were they even bidding against anyone?

i'm pretty sure the spurs were like "oh you wanna trade us two unprotected first and another first from one of the sorriest franchises in the NBA for a borderline all star PG who can't shoot? ok."

Y’all act like they’re giving up lottery picks

hawks could easily be in the lottery in 25/27, thats still a few years off

yeah nobody knows what anything in the nba looks like in 2027 cmon, fortunes rise fortunes fall

Ok huge mistake by the hawks. Very convincing guys

You’re such a hawk hater. In 25/27 the hawks will be a consistent top 4 seed. We’re looking at two picks that will be somewhere around 18-25. Plus the hawks are past that stage in the rebuild to give a shit about those picks
― Heez, Wednesday, June 29, 2022 5:21 PM (forty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

this is v optimistic given the presence of bos, mil, and the eternally competing miami heat, not to mention tor.

its a step forward to have another offensive initiator and an improved perimeter defender, but if theyve got capela/okongwu in the front court, their spacing has taken a hit.

They had one of the best offenses in the league. This dramatically improves their defense and I’m having a hard time believing that subbing Huerter for Murray is gonna hurt hem offensively

Right now they have:

Trae
Murray
Bogdanovich
Collins
Okongwu
Capela
Hunter
Huerter
And a couple picks they’ve been developing. That’s a young team that will not get worse over the next 5 seasons

Anyway sure in these dark times I choose ~optimism~

Wolves Twitter is v upset we didn't get him

I have no idea if it would have been good or not

he's better than dlo, but not so much that it was worth trade 3 1RPs

its a steep price def but hes good young versatile player, think i wouldve liked this move better from a contender trying to put themselves over the top than from a middle of the pack team like the hawks

i kind of am a hawks hater... but have i been wrong about them? that's a different question.

i think this trade is defensible from the hawks perspective insofar as murray is grossly underpaid for two years and if they can use collins and some other pieces on the team to reshape their roster they will almost certainly end up as a better team. my point was more that for the spurs getting two unprotected picks and a pick from the hornets kinda makes it a no brainer of a decision from their POV. the pelicans got unprotected picks from the lakers for anthony davis and have already gotten a top 10 pick out of it and may get another one in 2024 or 2025. you could've easily made the same argument of "well these picks will never be lottery picks, i mean the lakers have lebron and AD!" aside from the quality of the picks the hawks also handcuffing themselves from trading picks in any other deal so they better have nailed their valuation of murray and their feel for how he will play with trae

protected picks are good for sure and the hawks are always one trae young injury from being deep in the lottery

from the spurs pov not only do they get those picks but their own picks become more valuable by trading their best player lol

think i wouldve liked this move better from a contender trying to put themselves over the top than from a middle of the pack team like the hawks

― lag∞n, Wednesday, June 29, 2022 7:53 PM (three minutes ago)

this trade reminds me a lot of the bulls making that vucevic deal, which was in effect three first round picks. it's a team in the 7/8/9 morass in the east trading their most valuable picks for the fringe all star off a bad team in order to vault into the 4/5/6 range of the east aka giving up a lot to get marginally better. murray is younger and probably better than vucevic but the effect feels the same to me. the bulls have already lost a top 10 pick in that deal which became franz wagner which is terrible for them and they don't have next year's pick either.

i kind of am a hawks hater... but have i been wrong about them? that's a different question.

And what ever happened to homerism. It’s a bummer everyone likes to be all cool and analytical about the nba now

well were not hawks fans

protected picks are good for sure and the hawks are always one trae young injury from being deep in the lottery

i think hawks fans should be irrationally excited about getting a good young player but i'm not a hawks fan xxp hehe

well were not hawks fans

from the spurs pov not only do they get those picks but their own picks become more valuable by trading their best player lol

― lag∞n, Wednesday, June 29, 2022 8:02 PM (three minutes ago)

hollinger implied on twitter (which i hadn't considered) that the side effect of doing this trade is the ability to tank for wembanyama. i wonder if after 6-7 years of trying to be a team that doesn't rebuild and fights to contend they looked at the results and also their history of success in the duncan era and were like, actually we need to be one of these franchises that tanks for a star and then goes from there

I mean your Celtics fandom is pretty mild

― Heez, Wednesday, June 29, 2022 8:09 PM (thirty-three seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

lol hold deez leprechaun nuts hoe

actually we need to be one of these franchises that tanks for a star and then goes from there

― J0rdan S., Wednesday, June 29, 2022 8:10 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah and wembanyama looking extremely worth tanking for

Ha well played. Yeah spurs fans are all out for Victor. I think this is a war move by the spurs

War = wise

I’m gonna put the kids to bed, get baked and watch Murray highlights

i think the spurs FO looked at the next two years and said "we're gonna need to extend keldon johnson next year and then dejounte will get a max deal the year after that" and said "thats probably not a very good team with those two guys taking up almost half the cap". spurs apparently REALLY like josh primo *shrugs* and they have a million guards so hitting the reset button with a chance at landing a franchise player in 2023 (not just wembanyama, could be scoot, thompson twins, nick smith) while developing the youngest team in the league was the best way to avoid the play-in purgatory

yeah maybe draft an 80s synth pop band great idea

lmao amen and ausar are real ppl!

dj wont be as high usage with trae on the team (and presumably also having some other weapons like jc) so i dont think he's gonna average 21 pts or 9 asts a game like he did this past year. he had the ball in his hands A LOT, especially once derrick got traded. but he should still be very productive. he and hunter and okongwu will have some great defensive potential.

i think the best argument for the hawks making this trade is that giannis aside the bucks are getting old, the heat are pretty old or at least have an old star, the sixers have an old star and a 300 pound big man with terrible injury history, the nets are old, the bulls are pretty old. meanwhile trae is 23 and murray is 25. if the pairing works they still might not get out of round 1 the next few seasons, but perhaps in the next era of the east they have ample room to ascend into the top 3 or 4 teams. their cap should be pretty clean, all their big money deals are movable.

And what ever happened to homerism. It’s a bummer everyone likes to be all cool and analytical about the nba now

― Heez, Wednesday, June 29, 2022 8:08 PM (fifteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

it kind of is, but the fascinating/painful thing about the nba is how hard team building is. by making this move, the hawks have one more bullet in a collins trade. and that's probably their live or die team around trae young's prime.

spurs fans on twitter are having a conniption like this was the kawhi trade all over again. he was the spurs best player but they won 34 games and they got smoked by NO in the play-in. dj had a miserable game shooting (6 of 20 iirc). him playing second option on atl is a better role for him.