On Cinema at the Cinema on ilxor.com

1:45 Intro, A crazy coupla years
3:55 Relationship origin, Ken Collins connection/body hair
6:17 Opening for Ken, Babe Ruth moment
7:12 Quad Core read
7:57 Making Sense of It
9:39 Henry Deaver: The Life Molecule and Masculinity In Decline
11:50 New Rulebook, We're not in Kansas anymore
15:06 From Cavemen to People Working and Computers
16:09 Research, Evidence, Breaking New Ground and Backlash
18:41 The Sea Change in Power Structure, Lever Pullers vs The Average Joe
22:21 The Origins of the Now Circle Loop, go back further to return
23:39 Dr. Mark Prance and the importance of crab salts
27:45 Montana fly fishing eagle story, (animals in the food chain)
31:50 Our disconnection from nature, porn, new kid brain scan
33:23 The Censorship of Ideas in Social Media
36:00 Where do we go?
36:48 Artoush Sybian e-mail chain, The Good Fight with Joanne Pacman
38:25 The Silver Lining, finding a way out with psychedelics
40:00 Is that where God comes from? The Atheist Paradox
41:19 The Devil Horn find. Religious Structures and money.
43:50 Success and pattern study, the sleep connection and dreams
47:06 BigBlinds dot com read
48:01 Cosby's run and the lessons of Theo Huxtable
50:58 Society changed Bill stayed the same
51:57 Kyle Maxim's 250 million views, Merrill Lynch walkout
57:25 Elvis Presley link
58:10 Kyle Maxim camping trip tease
58:45 Brain absorption
1:00:40 Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson nutrient conversation
1:02:39 No one knows the answer, Power and Fear
1:04:55 The Rock's big transformation and societal restructuring

OCATC-adjacent:

NPR's Scott Simon talks to Tim Heidecker about his music, his new sentimental album "High School," and about his sometimes crass comedy.

Funny and talented @timheidecker on his new album HIGH SCHOOL: "I think I was lucky to grow up in a happy household but certainly had friends that had lots of dysfunction at home...And some of them made it and are doing great. And some of them didn't."https://t.co/8TuqjsXijV

— Scott Simon (@nprscottsimon) July 9, 2022

Deck of Cards is live 🃏!!!

Oh god this is so good

oh god the honking during the car montage killed me

that released so much dopamine into my brain that I think I'm gonna go puke now

Can I get a head start to hell so I can kill Bin Laden one more time?

i have, would rather head to my own country, and help my own country, my own fellow americans, instead of giving money to countries that don't pay their fair share

it was tough to tell from the film itself because the overall production values were high and consistent, but apparently there was some trouble behind the scenes during making of Deck of Cards

Well @timheidecker lied, he promised when he took over “Deck of Cards 1”it would be 105 minutes, which was one of the stipulations to give him the footage, plus I wanted to avoid another Tantrum which happened anyway

— Creator of Ruined Deck of Cards 1 (@greggturkington) September 2, 2022

Also I love how Gregg’s makeup changes between the opening minutes (which was made a year or so ago) to the rest of the movie. And how Joe Estevez is missing from the rest of the movie.

this is a masterpiece

Expertly moderated by the King of Hearts Joe Estevez, Deck of Cards: What Went Wrong is the much-awaited debate between HEI Network President Tim Heidecker and original Deck of Cards writer and director Gregg Turkington..

Now streaming: https://t.co/vOYHeQTvBK pic.twitter.com/hPCrpWr4lB

— On Cinema at the Cinema (@OCATCOfficial) October 12, 2022

great to see Joe back, was worried about him for a minute. him constantly going "well well well now...ha ha...okay" was the best part about this

its weird to see them keep referring to Decker as Dennicker without really acknowledging why they had to change the name. just say the Delgados got it, okay? kind of a bummer because "Decker of Cards" would've worked so well

Tim looks incredibly thin. does he have some kind of upcoming role that requires him to be super skinny? maybe his feeding tube was removed

Season 13 starts 10/26, get hyped

Very excited for OC to make the jump into being a morning show:

https://www.vulture.com/2022/10/tim-heidecker-gregg-turkington-on-cinema-season-13.html

“Say goodbye On Cinema At the Cinema, and say hello On Cinema And More In The Morning.” This morning show will be “geared towards a wide range of entertainment news,” with movie expertise “kept to a minimum.”

Tim looks uncannily like both Eric and Don Trump Jr. mushed together.

"So now the burden of being married to the witch Tony Newman has been lifted though I do and always love her as I also do for his son Matt who betrayed me in many ways."

first episode up for free

Tim's creepiness toward literally any woman on camera is kinda hard to watch

Tim looks so weird now, emphasizing the uneasiness.

idk after watching that i feel happier, healthier, and heier than ever

its gotta be an On Cinema bit

Queen of hearts I feel like a superhero in this outfit, I'm looking forward to playing new roles in future films channeling this energy. pic.twitter.com/vKCp41fywd

— Tara Reid (@TaraReid) October 30, 2022

Tim looks great, fresh

ha i saw that picture on twitter and immediately thought "deck of cards"

this made me laugh pretty hard

so close !! that is a diamond 💕

— marzy ^ω^ (@RebelWithJob) October 31, 2022

here come’s playing card twitter 🙄

— Jahn (@tesch3k) October 31, 2022

lmao

Looking forward to whatever diseases the Tim character will contract this season.

not looking forward to finding out what's going to happen with Kaili

I'm more worried about Tim, that G Amato guy seems sus.

how does Tim find so many weird old men to act in his various projects

Plenty in LA. They found Richard Dunn through going threough resumes and headshots, IIRC.

Kaili has even less of an on camera persona than Ayaka. love the implication that she's really just auditioning for the gas station TV or whatever

tim's first four bagger in how many seasons???

looking back on the wiki page that lists all their film ratings is killing me

House of Gucci
Tim's rating: 5 Bags, Golden Soda, Glass of Wine
Gregg's rating: Banned from Rating Movies
Manuel's rating: 5 Bags

Strong "On Cinema On Location" vibe:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9eSD0COcBA

lmao

incredible

the part where he gets on the train and then speaks more quietly afterward - that's my favorite

I try to guess what will happen in every On Cinema but I’m completely stumped by this season. I have no idea where it’s going.

I was thinking a love triangle between Tim, G. Amato, and Kaili, but who the fuck knows.

ive been putting off watching this for ages just because the breadth and disorganization of it all was overwhelming, but i recently went down a hyperfocus rabbithole, downloaded everything, put it on my plex, and put it all in an enormous playlist in broadcast order, and i am finally watching it all, including decker and all. just finished the ep where they talk about the fate of tom cruise heidecker, ooooof that's a tough one

putting it alllll in a playlist and watching it like this i still feel like i'm only getting like 70% of it, i should probably be pairing it with that timeline site so i can read the tweets lol

thought this might be about office hours today, coming on in about an hour, which is being guest hosted by Tom Scharpling in a "switcheroo" with The Best Show.

speaking of, did anyone else watch the Best Show with Tim hosting from Tuesday? it was kind of a weird one

i havent watched a proper twitch-era TBS yet, just a solid chunk of the marathon. still been listening to the pod. i might give the office hours live a shot today for tom tho -- is it just a youtube live stream?

yeah, you can watch the whole thing as it happens here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZBhhx-tb_w

and then later, i think they only offer the first half (first hour of 2 hours) on youtube and you have to be a subscriber to watch the whole thing

honestly, i rarely delve into office hours, or even the best show. they're just too long. even on cinema, which i love...i'm still back on season 8 or 9, trying to catch up. it's a lot

i've grown to really love office hours. the dynamic between tim, doug, and vic is really enjoyable, they balance out tim's abrasive persona that he slips in and out of. never seen/heard the best show and my only exposure to tom sharpling was his guest appearance on office hours, which i didn't find notable, so not sure what to expect today

tim's abrasive persona that he slips in and out of

yeah, it was kind of jarring to see him on best show because...it just kind of came off as rude, heh. i'm not super familiar with best show but they had two kind of regulars on the line, on the telephone, throughout, and when one of them said something over the phone early on, tim seemed genuinely startled and annoyed that a voice could just come on the line, and he goes "who is this?", the guy said his name (i forgot), and then he said "you'll address me when i ask you to address me", or something like that. and it was kiiiinda funny? but then, he never went back to him again, for like the next 2 hours! instead, he completely ignored the whole best show crew that was on set and on the phone and instead just talked to two comedian friends that he invited, and they just kind of did the show by themselves with the best show people watching in silence.

as i type that out, it kind of seems like a bit, but...not really? i know comedians are just kind of rude, in general, but i didn't really enjoy watching that.

in contrast, when tom guest hosts office hours i full expect him to do interact a bunch with vic berger and dj douggpound

that does sound very awkward. the way tim interacts with callers on office hours can be painful sometimes, but callers really are boring much of the time and he seems to recognize that being abrasive can lead to some hilarious moments and also serves to keep things moving along quickly

yeah its funny because both both tim and tom obviously have hosting personas where they are jokingly rude & insulting to their cohosts, but each of those personas grew within the very specific & delicate personal dynamics of their individual shows, so what seems like gentle ribbing in one context can be very awkward & uncomfortable in another. i almost wish they would do it again, maybe once a year or something, because i feel like Tim would get a lot better on the Best Show once he got more comfortable with it & had a better sense of things.

oh shoot, forgot to actually post this here:

there was also this very awkward moment, the most awkward, in the last hour of the show. the one best show person that tim was acknowledging (because he was in the room) was the producer, jason, and he announced that the final hour would be a "no complaints" session, in which tim would not be allowed to complain. i think this might be a best show tradition, but i'm not sure, and tbh it seemed like tim wasn't sure either. then, jason announced that the special topic of the hour for callers would be to say what they think the best work tim has made, and then the very worst that he has made, and then reiterated that tim was not allowed to complain. tim seemed very uncomfortable with this, and if he was being intentional/comedic about it, i will say it was one of the greatest, most believable and subtle performances i've ever seen. if it was fake, he fooled me. he just seemed very unsure about the whole thing.

for most of the hour, the 'no complaining' and 'say your favorite and least favorite tim production' rules were fine, with the normal people who called in. (at the same time, they were also doing a worst 20 beatles list/brainstorming sesh, so that ate up most of the conversation). but then, near the end of the show they brought back 2 of the Best Show voices, the two guys on the telephone who were very briefly included as part of the show in the first 10 minutes and then completely ignored thereafter until this very point, near the end of the show. and one of the guys just kind of tore into tim's mistreatment of him on the show, how he had been completely ignored, referencing several times about meeting tim before the show and that how nice it was, but clearly mocking it, clearly it wasn't a good encounter, before the show. it went on for a while and then tim really had no real response -- again, if he was faking it he has become a fine actor, full stop -- and producer jason reiterated that it was a no complaint hour. it was very awkward! but also very gripping.

at the end of the show as they were signing off tim was, predictably, asking for reviews of his performance (one of the best show guys gave him 4 stars, lol), and jason mentioned what had happened earlier and explained that the guy on the phone was just doing a bit and he does it to everyone, that tom would have broken, etc. but tim didn't seem to believe that at all and frankly neither do i!

lol! i am actually going to xpost this to the best show thread because they will know a lot more about all of it, i'm sure.

i contemplated calling in but i'm glad i did not. there were only two things i could think of to talk about. one was an idea tim had earlier in the show, a prompt which starts "The Earth's population crossed 8 billion people today. But still, ..." and then he wanted people to suggest possible joke endings for that. that idea bombed, no one mentioned it and it was just dropped. but i thought i could call in and suggest "but still, we're gonna keep counting the number of people", which seemed really funny to me for a minute but i think would be brutally torn down by tim and probably hurt my feelings. the second thing was that i was going to give him an honest answer on the worst production he's done, which is the million dollar movie. i have some thoughts on that movie and saw it in the theater with someone whose personality and sense of humor is the exact opposite of tim heidecker. later, i realized that my thoughts would have been very boring and would have taken too long to explain. i also realized it was called billion dollar movie, not million dollar movie, and that they would have called me out on that and i would have improvised a joke about how it barely looked like a million dollar movie tbh, and that would have bombed. finally, while reading about billion dollar movie i learned his wife was produced that one

I love Office Hours, though I don't watch it regularly I have a real hard time shutting it off when I do

Tim definitely gets defensive in interviews sometimes and there are lots of times when I wonder if he's being a jerk or doing a bit. In fact that's kind of his whole comedic persona. fwiw I think it's not the worst quality in a podcast host since he's generally good at figuring out which bits and which callers are actually gonna result in something good, rather than just humoring everyone.

fwiw I've heard a lot of nice things about him privately. there are stories about him after shows hanging out, signing stuff and taking pictures with everyone, which is something I wouldn't really expect I guess