Tangerine Dream S/D

well I can't bring myself to shit talk Froese, but I think there was a tendency for cosmic analog synth pioneers to get lost in the possibility and efficiency of digital electronic music which led them to create a lot of shit directly from their software that sounded like it belonged in a PC game from 1995. it happened to Schulze, it happened to Jarre, it happened to Todd Rundgren, and yeah it definitely happened to Edgar

so I guess I'm not surprised that a revamped TD with no original members would actually sound quite good

The electric violin has been a really good addition for TD.

IMO they were abysmal during the Edgar + Jerome lineup, perked up a bit when Quaeshning (sp?) joined, woke up fully when Schnauss was added for Mala Kunia. I expect to like the posthumous stuff when I get around to it!

there are some really well-shot and recorded 2+ hr performances on YouTube featuring the new lineup. no clue where any of the material is from or if it's mostly improv but its good stuff

Listening to Raum now, pretty much what I'd hoped for from the Ulrich Schnauss lineup, thanks.

Does this modern version of TD do the Orbital thing and do live remixes or jams on old sequenced or recorded material.

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Maybe my favorite record of the last ten years is that Subatomic Sound System 'band' remix based on their touring show with Scratch Perry toasting joining in on top. It's released as Lee "Scratch" Petty - 'Superape Returns to Conquer'.

I thought it was a pretty darn good modern updating of some old sounds. I'd loved to seen that group.

I love Tangerine Dream and actually have a bunch of their stuff on vinyl LP and I dug the couple of Ulrich Schnauss cdS I had from early days, I listened to that 'Far Away Trains Passing By' when I was going on the old IDM bulletin boards that came out of MP3.com and Ampcast and Musika.com. I got on a couple of CDR label comps made by people on the boards.

People like Bola and Ulrich Schauss and whatever Plaid was upto were doing were popular records. Schnauss was definitely in that area like Boards of Canada. That kind of stuff was more home listening music like the 70s records than as much for clubs.

Does this modern version of TD do the Orbital thing and do live remixes or jams on old sequenced or recorded material.

I dunno when the last time they played live was but apparently Raum was "composed and produced with full access to Edgar Froese’s Cubase arrangements (and Otari Tape Archive with recordings from 1977-2013)"

there are some really well-shot and recorded 2+ hr performances on YouTube featuring the new lineup. no clue where any of the material is from or if it's mostly improv but its good stuff

― frogbs, Thursday, June 23, 2022 10:24 AM (three weeks ago) bookmarkflaglink

whereat, please?

I found a Boiler Room performance from 2018 and a fan-shot video from 2022 in Glasgow

ricochet -> rubycon -> stratosfear -> sorcerer score -> encore -> cyclone -> force majeure

what a fucking run

Stratosfear is the one that's never grabbed me, but I heard Baumann's Romance 76 over the holidays, and it's a very striking version of similar material. The second side of the album features choir and orchestral instruments, almost like a precursor to what Klaus Schulze would do in a couple of years.

Any time Edgar Froese picks up a guitar I recoil tbh

Froese is one of my favourite bad guitarists, I can't excuse it yet still love it

I'm with Tom on this one. It isn't EF's lack of technique that bugs me so much as his lack of style, which is what separates him in my mind from people like Neil Young. But I also think Gottsching wanks entirely too much, so maybe I just have a weird aversion to German electric guitarists who also happen to be pioneers of ambient music

Yes, it's not that he can't play, it's that he rarely plays anything interesting or certainly not interesting enough.

Froese's guitar is not a fount of melody, but I think of him less like, say, David Gilmour and more like the German Ron Asheton, where it's more important to fill a certain amount sonic space with "guitar sound" rather than choose your notes wisely.
On the other hand, I wouldn't say the records of this era are really full of guitar (except side 3 of Encore).

Except Ron Asheton's playing is a good thing in the Stooges. He is definitely trying for Dave Gilmour but falling well short.

Totally disagree about Gottsching by the way, he was an amazing guitarist.

I agree, but he's occasionally excessive, ie side 2 of E2-E4

in 1984 at the age of 16 i saw t'dream on their 'le parc' tour at st georges hall in bradford.
the band were like a bunch of mad scientists behind their racks of machines while surrounded by screens.
then at the climax of the sonic chaos,
edgar stepped away from the machines and let rip re the guitar while the screens all went into overdrive re fire.
basically while the machines and edgar went into overdrive it looked like they were all enveloped in fire.
it was thrilling to the extreme.
so yeah, he may not have have been good guitarist,
but damn,
he was a great showman.

Gottsching is incredible on the Walter Wegmuller album