Beyoncé - Renaissance

liked this more than i expected based on the thread, eagerly awaiting the ten minute david morales remix

david morales?? he's not so great anymore imo. dimitri from paris would kill it. give it to someone like acemo for a raw take. i wish more pop stars would go the dua lipa route and get remixes from the underground. although that was a bit of a mess.

i'm sorry my post was a joke about how '90s the track is

haha gotcha

hell, Junior Vasquez.

yeah, back in the day. so many of these guys do not sound as good after they went all-digital. so many young producers sounding vintage in up-to-date ways. i hope whoever is directing remixes for this gives us some surprises. not to get on my hobby horse about that.

fb friend pointed out that there are going to be a zillion tech house remixes of course.

anyway i'm happy that this is 90s house because that's what i'm into and playing out atm.

between this and drake it's like that classic, reduced mood ii swing -> defected axis is relevant and i don't have to swim against a current so much.

give jayda g license to do whatever she wants with this track.

it sounds awesome in the car and love it, but stil charli's 'used to love me' > this

i like this the more i listen to it... just pretty certain i never needed to hear a "show me love" sample again. nobody has done it better than dj mustard did a decade ago. the intro & outro are the best parts, the actual beyonce-led song is fine. she kinda weirdly trips over the rap verse. it's funny, for as much as the song is about freedom from labor this track feels very workmanlike to me. it competently and efficiently achieves a desired end result.

in general i try to not get worked up by anyone's lead singles tho, you never really know what it portends for the quality of the album. pretty confident there will be some amazing songs on the album. this is much better than "run the world" at any rate

It's not a 'Show Me Love' sample though, right? Just sounds like a Korg M1 organ patch like everyone uses for '90s-referencing dance music these days.

Can't decide if I like the sprinkle of New Orleans bounce in there for flavor, but I think I do, why not. Kinda makes it sound more like a dj blend. I hope Freedia got a huge paycheck.

It's "Show Me Love." The songwriters got credit.

Speaking of "Run the World," I thought that one was dead, buried, and forgotten...then a couple weeks ago in my rhetoric class no less than three students cited it and/or its video as a feminist text. These are 18 to 25 y/olds.

she went so hard on promoting "run the world" and has kept it in her live shows for so long that it seems like a lot of ppl either don't know or don't care that it underperformed upon release. to be fair her performances of it have been pretty excellent

It's not a 'Show Me Love' sample though, right? Just sounds like a Korg M1 organ patch like everyone uses for '90s-referencing dance music these days.

― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, June 21, 2022 1:01 PM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

It's "Show Me Love." The songwriters got credit.

― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, June 21, 2022 1:03 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

the synth part is rhythmically distinct and yonce's is harmonically simpler, this is probably a "blurred lines"/"got to give it up" style crediting

i was one of the apparently relatively few who liked it when it came out and still enjoy it today

Agreed, I'm sure it was inspired by Show Me Love and they were referencing it, but I think it's all new production (incl. the M1 piano chords, drums, etc).

They were probably getting out ahead of the inevitable lawsuit had they not credited

I would probably have thought of "Show Me Love" anyway because when I hear that ping-pong preset it's Pavlovian.

Beyonce - Break My Soul pic.twitter.com/67x49WVw2H

— Finn (@FinnMcCorry) June 21, 2022

Speaking of "Run the World," I thought that one was dead, buried, and forgotten...then a couple weeks ago in my rhetoric class no less than three students cited it and/or its video as a feminist text. These are 18 to 25 y/olds.

― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, June 21, 2022 2:04 PM (forty-six minutes ago)

gosh I’m glad the subtlety wasn’t lost on the youths

ftr, I gave this a second shot, and I get why people like it. I'm at the point where I simply can't buy Bey singing "I just quit my job," but it's not like I wish that condition on others

it doesn't sample Show Me Love

from the BBC -

Weirdly, Break My Soul neither samples nor quotes their song. It simply uses the same bass sound, a preset on the infamous Korg M1 keyboard. But Beyoncé has always been careful to acknowledge the black creators who have influenced her.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61878412

I think it is ok. it does feel like there should be a Morales Red Zone mix. As an aside, i heard when he was knocking those Red Zone mixes out back in the day (at $50-100k a pop!) that he allegedly would have multiple engineers in different studios essentially making those for him and he would go from studio to studio saying "yes", "no" etc.

ps, Beyoncé has always been careful to acknowledge the black creators who have influenced her.

of course the version of Show Me Love everyone knows where that M1 sound was used is the Stonebridge remix and he is white so i think it's even cooler that she credits the OG (black) writers of the song and they will receive some $.

gosh I’m glad the subtlety wasn’t lost on the youths

― k3vin k.

lol I think they googled "feminism"

Beyoncé has always been careful to acknowledge the black creators who have influenced her.

"influenced her" /= "worked for her" ;)

maybe it should have read Beyoncé has started to be careful to acknowledge the black creators who have influenced her.?

Heard this on the car radio today (for the first and only time) and thought it sounded incredible. Surprised to see the mostly negative comments.

if we're talking about credits especially as it pertains to sampling/interpolation that's really a legal question & not a choice of who the artist wants to highlight, unless they're specifically trying to avoid paying people

Right, I'm sure the remixer who used the M1 bass doesn't have publishing on the song, so any credit would have to go to the songwriters.

I like it a lot. I love how, on the chorus after the first verse, she basically grunts/barks the word "break" the first two times and then backs off and sings it straight the next two times. With pop music at Beyoncé's level, every microsecond of every song is agonized over, and sometimes that attention to detail pays off with details like that

lol that last sentence was clumsily worded but you know what I mean

I've been wanting to do a mix of my favourite Korg M1-based house tracks for ages, "Korg M1s for my Korg M8s"

I feel like this song is one that will sound better and better the more ubiquitous it becomes, a constant staple at gay clubs and weddings. I think it needs ubiquity to rise above and banish the patchwork of obvious influences it otherwise resembles.

It will ultimately break me the same way Kylie’s “Spinning Around” did.

That's a pretty optimistic view of its prospects! You think it's destined for that kind of success?

Not sure about broader commercial success per se, but it has a shot of being the current "Cold Heart" for whatever that is worth.

as someone who actually liked "cold heart," this isn't anywhere near as unadventurous as that was, + frankly that was basically the reason it was a success, especially in the us

"cold heart" strikes me as a good call for both potential chart position and how it doesn't seem like much at first but turns into an anthem. n.b. "anthem" in my view means you'll hear it almost every weekend all summer long if you're going out to gay clubs.

xp i loved "cold heart." honestly it's a pretty weird track? the levels of call-back, and like how can something be so nothing-y and emotionally resonant at the same time.

now Renaissance needs to release an album called Beyoncé

OTM

Both this and the Drake album feel more like workout jams than club jams, in the same way that "Work Bitch" is.

i don’t think this is that far away from “cold heart” in terms of adventurous or lack thereof … it’s not a glorified remix or a cross generational songbook standard but it uses elements of underground/club music that have already been proven to work on huge hits. even the big freedia parts are used essentially the same way drake did on “nice for what:” no shots this just seems specifically designed to be a widely appealing single… i think when it leaked out that the song had a dance sample (or interpolation, reference whatever) most ppl figured that beyonce was going to pick something more obscure/head-y than “show me love.” and since i generally assume she knows her shit — or at least surrounds herself w/ ppl who pitch her cultural tastemaker level ideas — that leads me to believe she wanted the single to be a song that clicks for ppl in a way not too unlike “cold heart”

"cold heart" strikes me as a good call for both potential chart position and how it doesn't seem like much at first but turns into an anthem. n.b. "anthem" in my view means you'll hear it almost every weekend all summer long if you're going out to gay clubs.

xp i loved "cold heart." honestly it's a pretty weird track? the levels of call-back, and like how can something be so nothing-y and emotionally resonant at the same time.

― the cat needs to start paying for its own cbd (map), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 00:50 (eleven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yeah, I was pretty underwhelmed by "Cold Heart" at first and then heard it absolutely everywhere for about six months (it was gay sydney's anthem for partying outside during and through, respectively, last year's late winter / early spring and the final stretches of delta's domination, and then immediately afterwards the first stretch of La Nina), and each time I heard it it seemed a little bit less resistible. Note - not actually always a 'club jam', but definitely a BBQ / Pool Party / Boat Party / House Party / soundtrack to random IG stories of the preceding events jam.

The nothingy-ness is perhaps key - it prevents such anthems from starting to feel obnoxious in their ubiquity. Very straightforward house production helps in this regard.

Obv "Break My Soul" has a whole "quit your job" zeitgeist angle going on which makes it seem less nothingy in principle, but you sort of have to pay attention to notice that, so there's a sense in which it will only be as dominating as it's allowed to be, and never invasive. It's an accommodating anthem.

lol @ me talking myself into liking this

i know someone mentioned that like it's hard to buy beyonce singing "quit your job" and i know i shouldn't be thrilled by that message at this point in life but i still am haha

i know she literally invokes 9 to 5 work and stuff but if you read the song a bit less directly and more as a general call to chart your own path with your labor it’s pretty easy to draw parallels back to her actual life from the s/t album forward

maybe but it doesn't land at all to me....i really liked homecoming but a lot of homecoming was about work, both her own and that of the people she was employing.

Many xxxxposts:

Don’t know if you’re joking but it’s not that Tricky. This is Cristopher “tricky” stewart.

Missed and H in there

I don’t know if taking the advice of a billionaire to quit your job and clap hands and dance in the midst of an upcoming recession is the anthem it tries to be. It feels shallow as fuck and yeah, regardless of lyrics or its intentions, it feels musically dull coming from her. Same shit as Drake, at this point people are paying attention because it comes from them. Noone would be giving this single the time of day if it came from a lesser known artist.

https://pitchfork.com/news/beyonce-makes-history-as-texas-hold-em-tops-billboard-hot-country-songsandnbspchart/