Taking Sides: the TLS v. the LRB

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It certainly does.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 21 June 2022 18:02 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

I also enjoyed the Desert Island Discs article from the June 9 LRB. As an American I didn’t know much about the show, and thought the lightly comic tone of the article was well judged. It felt very British to me in a good way. I loved the expression, re Plomley, that he died “in harness”. I started the article on the royal family but abandoned it, because it’s hard for me to feel very strongly about it either way, but marveled that the author clearly does. I will try the sociology article again given pinefox’s glowing review.

o. nate, Friday, 8 July 2022 14:53 (one year ago) link

just received replacements of the LRBs that were glue-torn, handsomely packaged in large-size bubblewarp jiffybags!

mark s, Friday, 8 July 2022 14:57 (one year ago) link

LRB 23.6.2022 did turn out to have some interest. (As everyone who has seen it remarks, it is badly printed: my assumption is that this relates to the paper strike mentioned in the past.)

David Trotter on Sylvia T. Warner: I don't think I find Trotter's oblique narrations the easiest to follow, and he also has a peculiar tic of introducing a pet word or concept and then letting it pervade the text. Here there is a trace of his pet theme of 'signal' but also 'Umwelt', a seemingly unrelated and irrelevant foreign word that he introduces and won't let go of.

Jacqueline Rose and Sam Frears on EastEnders: finding this in the paper was surreal. I couldn't bring myself to read it all. I have been informed that the second author, an actor and café owner, is the son of the former LRB editor.

Julian Bell at the BM writes on The World of Stonehenge, an exhibition I've actually seen. Bell does this very well indeed, with eloquence and historical perspectives, and frankly makes it more interesting than the actual exhibition is.

Deborah Friedell on the history of Roe vs Wade: to me very informative, surprising, useful. I admire the dispassionate character of this article; that it works at narrating information rather than falling into sarcasm or polemic (which one can get elsewhere).

Mike Jay on hitchhiking: actually quite good, though the question 'why don't people pick up hitchhikers anymore?' still seems to be really obviously a matter of safety (for the driver and passengers); though that admittedly doesn't explain why they used to.

Thomas Meaney on FREE, an Albanian memoir: I found this review very good in its thoughtful critique of the tones and modes of the book, but the author has riposted in the latest issue.

Rachel Nolan on corruption in Brazil: yet again an informative, useful article on an important subject!

J-P Stonard at the Barbican: POSTWAR MODERN is the exhibition: I didn't really like it much and don't care for the review either.

Clare Bucknell on TRESPASSES: feels very over-familiar and the review feels awkwardly aware of that.

I generally appreciate GP Gavin Francis but didn't like this particular review on 'functional disorders'.

Richard Shone on Lydia Lopokova: one of those personal accounts that is valuable for the historical archive.

the pinefox, Saturday, 9 July 2022 19:21 (one year ago) link

The hitchhiking article mentioned the demise of milk delivered in bottles. You can (we do) still get milk delivered in bottles in birmingham. You can also send your children to grammar and/or single sex (state) schools. (We hope not to but might not have a choice, of a mixed school anyway.)

dear confusion the catastrophe waitress (ledge), Saturday, 9 July 2022 20:46 (one year ago) link

BTW in rare TLS news: excellent brisk well-turned review of GEOFF DYER on ROGER FEDERER by ... TERRY EAGLETON.

the pinefox, Sunday, 10 July 2022 08:39 (one year ago) link

An odd end to Michael Wood's somewhat bloodless TOP GUN: MAVERICK review. It's not totally clear whether he's just telling us the film's message or endorsing it but it looks like the latter - the message being that instinct or intuition are better than a reasoned approach because they are 'prompts of good faith', and 'prudence is always unappealing, but in a danger zone it looks like a criminal delusion.'

dear confusion the catastrophe waitress (ledge), Monday, 11 July 2022 13:28 (one year ago) link

I agree!

the pinefox, Monday, 11 July 2022 14:14 (one year ago) link

Michael Wood should not be anywhere near the film column in the LRB, they should get an actual film critic to do it

Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Monday, 11 July 2022 15:11 (one year ago) link

my time to shine

mark s, Monday, 11 July 2022 15:12 (one year ago) link

👍

Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Monday, 11 July 2022 15:12 (one year ago) link

Michael Wood was a film critic something like 50 years ago for NEW SOCIETY. He also worked on at least one feature film. He has now written film reviews for the LRB for maybe 20 years. He has published at least 3 books, that I can think of, on film.

It seems logical to say that someone who has done those things is ... a ... is a ... a ... a film critic, whether one likes any of his film criticism or not.

the pinefox, Monday, 11 July 2022 15:25 (one year ago) link

ha ha yes, that's fair enough! I don't like his film criticism, it's true, which I think is just poor. For me he's similar to Eagleton or Sinclair, an old stager who just gets to write for the mag because he always has done. But no doubt others see merit where I don't.

Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Monday, 11 July 2022 16:20 (one year ago) link

Reflecting on all this, I have been formulating the thought: "After MW stops doing this, the job should be shared among multiple film reviewers".

But I've ended up cancelling this thought as I've realised I can't think of any LRB contributor whose film review I'd like to read, let alone four or six.

MW is 86, so people who don't like him probably, to be honest, don't have that long to wait till he stops.

the pinefox, Monday, 11 July 2022 16:52 (one year ago) link

maybe getting some younger contributors would be a good idea, and that thought applies across to their coverage the board I think.

Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Tuesday, 12 July 2022 08:52 (one year ago) link

garbled but you see what I mean!

Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Tuesday, 12 July 2022 08:52 (one year ago) link

some younger contributors

and my time to shine dims once again

mark s, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 09:58 (one year ago) link

Neil S: I have now posted TWO replies to your views and ILX will not post them.

I will try one more brief time and say:

When they do hire young people, they're usually bad.

But I agree that in principle they should be more open to people they don't already know, of whatever age or background.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 10:16 (one year ago) link

to summarise then: more young people (but good not bad) but also mark s, is the ILX line on LRB's editorial policy

Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Tuesday, 12 July 2022 10:19 (one year ago) link

it may not be the pinefox's line :D

mark s, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 10:47 (one year ago) link

Mark S is correct.

I think it would be OK for Mark S to be in the LRB, if other people I know and like were also in the LRB. I don't think he should be the *only* person in the LRB. Except for the *Special Issue on Mark S Studies*.

I don't think that age should be a key criterion either for publishing or not publishing someone. I think that openness to outsiders is the thing that the LRB (by choice, I suppose) doesn't have. That could include 75-year-old West Indians as well as 22-year-olds in Inverness.

I think that if senility, laziness, being out of touch, etc, are occupational hazards of being old, then by the same token there must be occupational hazards (for a writer) of being young, which I will not now trouble to list. The list perhaps writes itself.

Different people like different LRB contributors (if they like any at all). The three that poster Neil S has listed as bad happen to be three of my favourites. Possibly I dislike his favourite three.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 10:59 (one year ago) link

fwiw I do like Sinclair, even if he definitely has his (walking) schtick that he leans on rather too often.

I also like Stefan Collini on intellectual history (old-ish white bloke), William Davies on policitcal economy and sociology (middle-aged white bloke), James Butler on politics (young-ish white bloke) and Patricia Lockwood on literature and "internet culture" (youngi-ish white woman). Make of that list what you will.

yes I agree that age shouldn't be a prime determinant, it's just that for film in paritcular it would be nice to get some other perspectives now and again, regardless of the merits or otherwise of M Wood.

Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Tuesday, 12 July 2022 11:05 (one year ago) link

"Walking schtick" for IS is good.

I like reading Collini (met him once, he said the LRB was a mystery to him), Davies (often very insightful).

I don't like Butler because of some of his political statements, and I don't like Lockwood.

I agree that a pluralistic, multiple-reviewers approach would be logical and productive for film coverage in future.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 11:08 (one year ago) link

It used to be the complaint about Sight and Sound, under the previous editor, that there was a predictability about assignments - ie if it was a new horror film, Kim Newman would automatically be given it to review. In general, editors like that kind of reliability, of opinion and perspective as well as actual delivery of content, so I can see why LRB have stuck with Michael Wood as the (only?) person who gets to regularly review new movies. I'm sure he turns in clean, legible copy that fulfils the basic requirement - tell us what this new film is like - and requires minimal fixing. An easy half page. But sticking with Wood alone gives the impression that the LRB doesn't really give a toss about films and film culture. In fact, a more focused column on, say, writing and cinema might be more interesting than a 'new films round-up' that you can still get from plenty of other places online or in print.

Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 11:18 (one year ago) link

While we're talking about age, I think the one LRB writer who has truly entered a new plane of writerly existence with age is ... OK, one is Alan Bennett. But the other, that I had in mind, is Fredric Jameson. He's 88, he is perhaps now allowed to write what he wants, when he wants (well, he probably always was), and he writes quite random things that contain very little clear intellectual content.

Still, I don't really want to see someone like FJ banned from the LRB, even when he writes this way. Maybe better to let him keep going as long as he can, adding to the late record of his work, as you would have done for Freud, Adorno, Yeats, et al.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 11:23 (one year ago) link

gives the impression that the LRB doesn't really give a toss about films and film culture

But this shouldn't just come down to the 'new film review' slot. If they did give that toss, as you say, then what they would and should do would be to publish much more full-length essays (of the usual kind) on books about film (of which there are of course many).

It's the fact that they don't do that much (as far as I can see) which is the bigger indictment than their film review feature.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 11:25 (one year ago) link

David Thomson gets in there fairly regularly reviewing books about film:
https://www.lrb.co.uk/contributors/david-thomson
Another octogenarian white male Brit living in the US!

Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Tuesday, 12 July 2022 11:29 (one year ago) link

Yes. He's appearing a bit more, lately, than he had?

He's not as far gone as FJ, and I'd publish anything he does as long as he can still press the keys.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 11:54 (one year ago) link

"But sticking with Wood alone gives the impression that the LRB doesn't really give a toss about films and film culture."

They are lazy bums! It's painful to read the LRB pretend to give a toss about stuff they clearly do not.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 13:32 (one year ago) link

Has anyone bought or read the TLS lately? I believe that poster Fizzles was doing so.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 14:11 (one year ago) link

I second the surprise at the EastEnders thing; it didn't fit as an LRB piece, not even in a "wow, didn't expect this in the LRB" kind of way. Wasn't there another odd piece a while ago that turned out to have been written by the editor's son, or something?

fetter, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 18:33 (one year ago) link

I don't recall that - does anyone? - but it sounds like something that could only happen in the LRB.

Well, or in the Spectator or The Lady.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 22:28 (one year ago) link

Good too see the LRB publishing something on a writer I care about.

All My Cats by Bohumil Hrabal, translated by Paul Wilson
Michael Hofmann

https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v44/n14/michael-hofmann/goofing-off

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 13 July 2022 15:53 (one year ago) link

This essay was wonderful, more of an overview of Hrabal than a review of the particular book. I love his enthusiasm for the things he loves, how he articulates it. I share it, so he is talking to the converted here.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 23 July 2022 13:01 (one year ago) link

https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v44/n15/richard-taws/what!-not-you-too

Really enjoyed this piece on Jules Renard. Journalling 19th century writer.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 31 July 2022 10:44 (one year ago) link

I loved the EastEnders piece, maybe for its implausibility. It made EastEnders feel like the foundational document for understanding the collective psychic turmoil of living in modern Britain, which probably isn't something I've often thought during the several thousand episodes of EastEnders I've watched.

New LRB is really good so far.

Richard Taws on Jules Renard was a really good appreciation, a writer I've heard of but never read. Must get round. Andrea Brady on Lisa Robertson's poetry and translations of Weil was good though it tried to squeeze a bit much on all of Robertson's interests. The stuff on Weil was too brief. Emily Wilson's Diary on Artemis, loss of innocence, queerness, whether the world can be safe for her daughters hit a nerve. Anne Carson's piece was fantastic, a bit like Godot at the movies.

Now onto the non-fiction coverage.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 7 August 2022 13:01 (one year ago) link

re jules renard: the only moment where a snort of derision escaped me is when julian fkn barnes is quoted sneering at beatrix potter (and lol jemima puddleduckl) as "sentimental", fvck off barnes u useless middlebrow dullard reread the duck book its not long exactly

mark s, Sunday, 7 August 2022 13:08 (one year ago) link

otherwise this was an interesting piece yes

mark s, Sunday, 7 August 2022 13:09 (one year ago) link

Lanchester's piece on German corporate corruption was a story told well enough in a 6/10 sorta way once you get over his conceptions of capitalism and his stiff jokes.

I didn't think an awful lot of William Davies' commentary piece on the last few weeks of ukpol. I am getting a bit irritated with the use of that Stuart Hall piece on Thatcherism as an explainer, same goes for Anderson/Nairn. Also I don't think Edgerton's challenge on these readings was appropriately dealt with by saying things are surely getting really bad (?) when the energy crisis and inflation are being faced by all of Europe and North America, but maybe that's my weariness at ukpol in general.

The review of Alex Ross' book on Wagner was pretty good on Wagner and his afterlives although it didn't deal with the book's account of it very much. Anyway I liked the aggregation of material here.

My favourite piece was Laleh Khalili's piece on oil and the havoc it brings upon the world, and she takes the book to task for its lack of attention to the challenge posed by marginalised groups to the pursuit of land and profit by the state and corporate interests.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 8 August 2022 10:29 (one year ago) link

Publish this in the LRB

From Papua New Guinea’s London correspondent. This is epic. pic.twitter.com/bOSuctmEj8

— Barbara Sage (@ladybie11) August 8, 2022

xyzzzz__, Monday, 8 August 2022 22:20 (one year ago) link

Julian Barnes' introduction to the Renard book appears to be his 2011 LRB essay:
https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v33/n13/julian-barnes/badger-claws

This already received a letter from an academic offering a different view of Beatrix Potter.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 10 August 2022 09:58 (one year ago) link

LRB 4.8.2022.

I learned some things from Lanchester who wrote clearly about money scandals.

Emma John gives yet more publicity to Suzanne Wrack, a not very interesting sports reporter and, come to think of it, a regular Guardian colleague of Emma John.

William Davies on current UK is good, though he doesn't really match this up with historical 'declinism'. I would like to know more of Edgerton's work.

Laleh Khalili on Helen Thompson, DISORDER: not a good review. Thompson's book sounds bewilderingly wide-ranging and complex. The arguments it makes (eg that oil prices caused Brexit) sound surprising and hard to understand or assess. A review needs to take all this on, slowly and clearly - as Perry Anderson would do, actually. Khalili instead spends the first half not only talking in general terms about oil, but talking about herself. That may or may not be interesting but it's not a good use of words when trying to explain a complex subject. She then spends the end of the review just complaining that Thompson didn't write a different book altogether.

Fredric Jameson on Nazi crime fiction: daft but more readable than his other recent contributions.

Wagnerism: not very interesting or surprising.

O'Hagan on Dolly Parton: I've had many problems with him but must admit, his constantly wry tone seemed to me to work here, mainly on the ghostwriter rather than Parton herself.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 10 August 2022 10:08 (one year ago) link

not happy with the thread's backsliding on lanchester and o'hagan >:(

as e.p.thompson once scolded perry anderson: "they are scoundrels! we must stiffen our tone!"

mark s, Wednesday, 10 August 2022 10:29 (one year ago) link

The final piece in this issue I bothered with was Rory Scothorne (who seems like an excellent commentator in general and whose twitter I follow) review a book on The North. It's pretty solid.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 10 August 2022 12:19 (one year ago) link

O'Hagan on Dolly Parton: I've had many problems with him but must admit, his constantly wry tone seemed to me to work here, mainly on the ghostwriter rather than Parton herself.

I'm not sure ghostwriter is the right term to use for the world's best-selling author whose name is emblazoned in bold type on the cover. The book is co-branded as a Patterson/Parton joint effort, and I would guess Patterson's name is for many readers as much of a draw as Parton's. Tbh, I wasn't really sure the point of reviewing this in the LRB. Patterson is kind of a critic-proof author. His readers know what to expect, and they invariably get it. Taking him to task for writing in a hackneyed potboiler style is a bit on the nose, isn't it? It seems the LRB only reviews Patterson when he has a famous co-author. The last time he was featured in its pages was a review of the novel he wrote with Bill Clinton back in 2018. Interestingly the writer of that critique blamed the books short-comings on Clinton more than on Patterson, whereas in this case, the writer lays the blame on Patterson and portrays Parton's role in the creation of the work as fairly passive. Or maybe he felt it would be ungentlemanly to criticize a lady.

o. nate, Monday, 15 August 2022 13:45 (one year ago) link

i saw several ppl who i like tweet-highfiving o'hagan for this piece, which i thought was mostly glib slick lazy nonsense and the chance to write "yeehaw" and such

mark s, Monday, 15 August 2022 16:23 (one year ago) link

LRB 18.8.2022.

Jonathan Coe on 1970s UK TV and film: Coe has his detractors as a novelist, but simply as an LRB reviewer he's very good: consistent, lucid, on-topic, always producing well-shaped articles with beginning, middle and end. In this instance I think the 'magic of watching films in bad 1970s conditions' idea is overplayed but Coe does quite shrewdly, politely say that Rob Young's alternative UK canon of occult TV is actually a rather familiar list by now. (Not that I've actually seen most of the titles myself.)

James Meek on Ukraine: you could say it takes courage to go to the most dangerous place in Europe when you don't have to, and it's quite impressive that one of the best commentators on the recent state of UK privatizations is also a war reporter.

the pinefox, Friday, 19 August 2022 14:07 (one year ago) link

read the lanchester on the two big german frauds: bearing in mind the usual caveats abt his basically terrible financial writing this wasn't awful, bcz the two main stories are so cut-and-dried -- tho if i were his editor i would as always force him to re-structure it to foreground the idea he bumbles into very late (which is that massive eye-stretching scandals are on the whole more likely in high trust societies like germany)

there's one mildly funny bit, which he doesn't deliver especially well but it works despite him: that the real actual whistleblower who brought everything down was for wirecard was the designated whisleblower's mum

mark s, Sunday, 21 August 2022 18:21 (one year ago) link


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