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There was a major war fought throughout the middle decades of the 20th century against censorship in the name of freedom of expression, including the freedom to express vulgar, ugly, inappropriate, etc. things. It felt like a big deal at the time, and many artists and friends of artists felt like they had to line up on the side of freedom of expression. That war is now largely forgotten, but for someone of a certain age, there is still something noble to be said for openness and transparency even if feelings are hurt or people are offended.

o. nate, Friday, 17 June 2022 19:10 (one year ago) link

Dear Xgau,
Is Joe Levy still the Crown Prince Poobah, and if not, who has taken his place?
Yours,
JR &tBs

Jimmy Jimmy Loves Mary-Anne Mary-Anne (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 17 June 2022 19:21 (one year ago) link

xp idk, removing something published on yr own site that you can no longer stand by in order to make it better reflect your views, that kinda seems like the opposite of censorship to me? its fine to not like betty davis but the last line of that review is straight up racist, by modern & 1970s standards, & he should feel shame & guilt about it. standing by it in 2022 as a point abt self censoring is a low bar for noble imho

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Friday, 17 June 2022 19:58 (one year ago) link

I can't speak for Xgau but I get the feeling he feels like he has to be true to the Xgau who wrote that line, who was perhaps imperfectly trying to express something, even if he wouldnt use those exact words today.

o. nate, Friday, 17 June 2022 20:01 (one year ago) link

i dont disagree necessarily, but being true to the xgau who wrote that line is bad imo, or at least not admirable

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Friday, 17 June 2022 20:06 (one year ago) link

Also I don't really get the point of how him censoring words he wrote in the past because he's embarrassed about them today would be the "opposite of censorship"? You mean like censorship is itself a form of expression because it expresses the censor's desire for purity? Seems a bit Orwellian.

o. nate, Friday, 17 June 2022 20:06 (one year ago) link

i don't think that correcting something you said in the past should be called "censorship". it needs a different word.

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Friday, 17 June 2022 20:21 (one year ago) link

to me censorship implies not being able to express something that you believe. so if he no longer believed what he wrote, not just regretted saying it or was embarrassed by it but truly felt he could no longer stand by it, then freely a piece on his own website to more perfectly reflect his actual views ... imo thats editing, not censorship, 2 very different things. but if he truly doesnt regret those words & still believes them & was only changing them to avoid criticism, then i suppose it would be self censorship. "transparency" is a more useful term for what he might be talking about - taking accountability for past errors in judgement by not trying to hide them or scrub them away. but idk if that's what hes thinking.

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Friday, 17 June 2022 20:22 (one year ago) link

or, what karl said in 10x fewer words than i used

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Friday, 17 June 2022 20:23 (one year ago) link

It's generally a complete archive of what he wrote (i.e. he'd probably want to include as much as he can if not everything), and it's clear from his Q&A's that his opinions all evolve over time, so it becomes a bit of a morass in terms of how he'd handle past reviews that he'd change now, whether for regrettable statements or different views. I know some other critics with their own archival sites will put a small disclaimer when republishing a lengthy review, but that's usually a paragraph for a feature-length piece. I want to say there's no perfect solution - just engaging in dialogue about something he wrote before may be the best way about it. At least it allows for a thorough discourse with him on something he wrote in the past.

birdistheword, Friday, 17 June 2022 20:54 (one year ago) link

The last line of the Betty Davis review should never have been typed, but as for the rest of what he said...he's right, she mostly sucks.

but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 17 June 2022 21:19 (one year ago) link

Like I said, I've no problem with a person who thinks she sucks (I agree or is at least a footnote worth studying and citing, no more) or is bored by Flack, but he gets weird about Black artists when they don't meet his ideals of (a) transgression (b) domesticity.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 June 2022 21:27 (one year ago) link

Yeah, I agree about that. His argument that he grants them the same disrespectful hauteur he grants white acts doesn't hold up at all, because his bored response to Flack and Hathaway doesn't track with his adoration of bland-as-fuck singer-songwriters.

but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 17 June 2022 21:43 (one year ago) link


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