Pop songs with major key verses and minor key choruses

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I mean, the chords are Em - Gm - Dsus - DM - (I think?) but I think the overall key has changed in the pre-chorus largely due to whatever the note is on “tute” in “But I’m a substitute for another guy.”

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 9 June 2022 00:40 (one year ago) link

where's the Gm in that part? (and if it is in there, which key is it coming from?)

i hear that pre-chorus as a fairly standard "let's go to the ii for the b-part" songwriting trick, which rock guitarists writing in D are all but required to do. (i really wanted to be able to say the ii is *substituting* for the I here, but sadly that wouldn't be quite right.)

fact checking cuz, Thursday, 9 June 2022 04:51 (one year ago) link

I feel like De-Luxe by Lush could be an example of this, but I could be completely wrong.

daavid, Thursday, 9 June 2022 13:35 (one year ago) link

where's the Gm in that part? (and if it is in there, which key is it coming from?)

I'm gonna say it's...on the 3 in the first bar of the pre-chorus...? No idea which key it's coming from. My knowledge of Western music theory is very very slightly above zero.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 9 June 2022 14:30 (one year ago) link

Like "Accidents Will Happen" mentioned upthread, "Home Truth" by Elvis Costello has verses in D major and choruses in F major; but the chorus starts on an A minor and so has a "minor feel".

Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 9 June 2022 15:42 (one year ago) link

For a songwriter I don't respect much, I really do respect the trick Elton pulled off with this song, a lot.

― Eggs Benedick (Eric H.)

"I'm the one you need" by the Miracles has the same major to minor key modulation as "I'm still standing"

The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Thursday, 9 June 2022 16:25 (one year ago) link

I'm still Smokey
Yea yea yea

Gymnopédie Pablo (Neanderthal), Thursday, 9 June 2022 16:32 (one year ago) link

So does "Telegram sam"

The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Thursday, 9 June 2022 16:41 (one year ago) link

Although in that song the chorus starts on F maj so the effect is a little different

The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Thursday, 9 June 2022 16:45 (one year ago) link

I feel like De-Luxe by Lush could be an example of this, but I could be completely wrong

I think it's all in E major, but it does use a G major chord borrowed from the key of E minor throughout the song. And the chorus starts on that G chord, which perhaps is what strikes your ear as a change of tonality.

Josefa, Thursday, 9 June 2022 21:55 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

"Skin Trade", Duran Duran

Vast Halo, Thursday, 8 September 2022 20:00 (one year ago) link

Kelly Rowland - Stole ?

you can see me from westbury white horse, Friday, 9 September 2022 14:35 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

Madness’s House of Fun, where the minor chorus was recorded on its own and spliced into a major, chorusless track titled Chemist Facade thanks to the miracle of Langer/Winstanley.

houdini said, Tuesday, 4 October 2022 14:07 (one year ago) link

Nice one, just heard it the other day and thought of this thread

Vinnie, Tuesday, 4 October 2022 14:33 (one year ago) link

ctrl+f "the jam" zero results

hmm

ミ💙🅟 🅛 🅤 🅡 🅜 🅑💙彡 (Austin), Tuesday, 4 October 2022 14:54 (one year ago) link

six months pass...

"Dangerous Type" by the Cars

Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 4 April 2023 02:47 (one year ago) link

Just realized Barry Manilow's "Daybreak" kinda does this?

fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Friday, 7 April 2023 18:40 (one year ago) link


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