I mean, the chords are Em - Gm - Dsus - DM - (I think?) but I think the overall key has changed in the pre-chorus largely due to whatever the note is on “tute” in “But I’m a substitute for another guy.”
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 9 June 2022 00:40 (one year ago) link
where's the Gm in that part? (and if it is in there, which key is it coming from?)
i hear that pre-chorus as a fairly standard "let's go to the ii for the b-part" songwriting trick, which rock guitarists writing in D are all but required to do. (i really wanted to be able to say the ii is *substituting* for the I here, but sadly that wouldn't be quite right.)
― fact checking cuz, Thursday, 9 June 2022 04:51 (one year ago) link
I feel like De-Luxe by Lush could be an example of this, but I could be completely wrong.
― daavid, Thursday, 9 June 2022 13:35 (one year ago) link
I'm gonna say it's...on the 3 in the first bar of the pre-chorus...? No idea which key it's coming from. My knowledge of Western music theory is very very slightly above zero.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 9 June 2022 14:30 (one year ago) link
Like "Accidents Will Happen" mentioned upthread, "Home Truth" by Elvis Costello has verses in D major and choruses in F major; but the chorus starts on an A minor and so has a "minor feel".
― Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 9 June 2022 15:42 (one year ago) link
For a songwriter I don't respect much, I really do respect the trick Elton pulled off with this song, a lot.
― Eggs Benedick (Eric H.)
"I'm the one you need" by the Miracles has the same major to minor key modulation as "I'm still standing"
― The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Thursday, 9 June 2022 16:25 (one year ago) link
I'm still SmokeyYea yea yea
― Gymnopédie Pablo (Neanderthal), Thursday, 9 June 2022 16:32 (one year ago) link
So does "Telegram sam"
― The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Thursday, 9 June 2022 16:41 (one year ago) link
Although in that song the chorus starts on F maj so the effect is a little different
― The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Thursday, 9 June 2022 16:45 (one year ago) link
I feel like De-Luxe by Lush could be an example of this, but I could be completely wrong
I think it's all in E major, but it does use a G major chord borrowed from the key of E minor throughout the song. And the chorus starts on that G chord, which perhaps is what strikes your ear as a change of tonality.
― Josefa, Thursday, 9 June 2022 21:55 (one year ago) link
"Skin Trade", Duran Duran
― Vast Halo, Thursday, 8 September 2022 20:00 (one year ago) link
Kelly Rowland - Stole ?
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Friday, 9 September 2022 14:35 (one year ago) link
Madness’s House of Fun, where the minor chorus was recorded on its own and spliced into a major, chorusless track titled Chemist Facade thanks to the miracle of Langer/Winstanley.
― houdini said, Tuesday, 4 October 2022 14:07 (one year ago) link
Nice one, just heard it the other day and thought of this thread
― Vinnie, Tuesday, 4 October 2022 14:33 (one year ago) link
ctrl+f "the jam" zero results
hmm
― ミ💙🅟 🅛 🅤 🅡 🅜 🅑💙彡 (Austin), Tuesday, 4 October 2022 14:54 (one year ago) link
"Dangerous Type" by the Cars
― Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 4 April 2023 02:47 (one year ago) link
Just realized Barry Manilow's "Daybreak" kinda does this?
― fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Friday, 7 April 2023 18:40 (one year ago) link