"we'll change the things that need changing and that's all we'll change": the paSUKification of post-brexit politics 2021

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If I were Paul I wouldn't be picking up any perfume bottles he might see hanging around.

Doodles Diamond (Tom D.), Wednesday, 8 June 2022 11:47 (one year ago) link

Very good take from Tom E.

This is the most telling bit of the YouGov thread and the most familiar to me as a commercial researcher - “this” is Labour rising in the polls, and the Occam’s Razor reason (more people want to vote for them) is rejected in favour of conspiracism. https://t.co/6hxxLApGpi

— Tom Ewing (@tomewing) June 8, 2022

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 8 June 2022 12:22 (one year ago) link

Yougov are denying it.

A statement. pic.twitter.com/jL0jr0dh8a

— YouGov (@YouGov) June 8, 2022

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 8 June 2022 12:23 (one year ago) link

Also spelling suppress wrong, twice

the classic emerson lake & palmer line-up (Matt #2), Wednesday, 8 June 2022 13:29 (one year ago) link

That yougov thread is fucking staggering. I thought I was over all this but it’s so bad.

And this meant our polling and coverage was a lot worse for the rest of the campaign. We did a fantastic debate poll in the hours following the debate that Corbyn took part in. The results were stark - Corbyn won by a country mile, and one in four Tory voters thought he was best.

— Chris Curtis (@chriscurtis94) June 8, 2022



Thinking about Diane Abbott being lied to on QT that Labour were behind in the polls - and how she was mocked for challenging it. If polls don’t matter for shaping public perception, why any of this?

gyac, Wednesday, 8 June 2022 15:00 (one year ago) link

One in four Tory voters. Jesus fucking Christ.

gyac, Wednesday, 8 June 2022 15:00 (one year ago) link

Corbyn won by a country mile.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 8 June 2022 16:02 (one year ago) link

YouGov polls were the frequent outliers during that period and I used to check the pollster tracker at the time (lol I don't bother with that shit anymore) of that QT incident and I think they were something like between 3-7 points ahead across the board. Abbott was indeed telling the truth.

calzino, Wednesday, 8 June 2022 16:10 (one year ago) link

They mean the leaders debate with Paxman right? Iirc he did a few but this was the pseudo head to head one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KllymYee9AI

He was so good on that.

gyac, Wednesday, 8 June 2022 16:13 (one year ago) link

The thread is only a bit interesting as an after on the story of that election. There are huge forces against the left at every level, and the polling is just another data point, if you like.

The "one in four" is interesting and also something we know, in that a lot of people can be talked around a different way of doing things. We can't forget that.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 8 June 2022 16:29 (one year ago) link

This was clearly a joke between two good friends, who had previously been business partners for several years.

Stephan continues to be one of my closest friends and at no point since leaving YouGov in 2010 have I had any influence on the company. Suggesting otherwise is untrue. https://t.co/P25sh0fCNN

— Nadhim Zahawi (@nadhimzahawi) June 8, 2022

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 8 June 2022 17:21 (one year ago) link

what a japester!

something to keep in mind whenever zahawi opens his mouth from now on, i guess. he might just be joking! you never know.

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 8 June 2022 20:23 (one year ago) link

he totally has that japester demeanour about him. Don't shake his hand unguarded less thee want to get zapped with joek electric shock toy or wafted with spinning bowtie

calzino, Wednesday, 8 June 2022 22:04 (one year ago) link

Good thread fleshing out the 'buy house on benefits scheme'

Ok, this buying a house on benefits thing. (1/...). Since so many of us in the economic policy community ended up revising our views on Help To Buy, I think it deserves a bit of thoughts on how it might actually be workable...

— Dan Davies (@dsquareddigest) June 9, 2022

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 9 June 2022 09:52 (one year ago) link

Polling firms regaining some much needed credibility

This is where the good news for Labour ends.

None of the voters we spoke to are switching to Labour. The main reason? Keir Starmer. They described Starmer as "weak", a "slippery slimeball", "a people pleaser", having "no vision" and "someone who opposes for opposition's sake". 7

— James Johnson (@jamesjohnson252) June 9, 2022

Piedie Gimbel, Thursday, 9 June 2022 12:54 (one year ago) link

Lol @ the last one.

Reckon Starmer has a good chance though.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 9 June 2022 12:58 (one year ago) link

lol everyone thinks you're a twat Kieth

the rtb expansion seems quite a fanciful and deceptive offer, like anyone low income enough to qualify for housing benefit are bound to get into extra financial difficulties and like posted in the thread they will lack the financial cushion to deal with unexpected things like a boiler breaking down or future shocks to the housing market. Who the fuck could trust the Tories to make it work, it's in their dna to ensure all their policy making is geared towards benefitting the banks and corporate donors over low income people.

calzino, Thursday, 9 June 2022 13:02 (one year ago) link

Polls doing their job, prepping us for Streeting regretful coup

hello duckness my old friend (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 9 June 2022 13:54 (one year ago) link

The banter continues

In a purely personal capacity, yesterday I tweeted about my time at YouGov, stating that YouGov banned us from publicising a 2017 poll which Jeremy Corbyn because it was too positive about Labour. 1 / 4

— Chris Curtis (@chriscurtis94) June 9, 2022

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 9 June 2022 22:32 (one year ago) link

That guillotine will be busy.

I’m a “private landlord” so are many of your friends. Anyone who has held on to a flat they had before a relationship is a private landlord, over 40% of UK homeowners have a share in an additional property. The entire UK housing system would break down without private landlords.

— Kirstie Allsopp (@KirstieMAllsopp) June 9, 2022

xyzzzz__, Friday, 10 June 2022 13:55 (one year ago) link

I love these "accidental landlords". Oh whoops I just happened to unintentionally amass a spare house or two or a small portfolio of properties by some happy accident. Don't want to hear the tacit admission of guilt, just shame the devil and admit to being a parasitical class enemy!

calzino, Friday, 10 June 2022 14:18 (one year ago) link

Thatcher stan love-in party from AC and apparently all of his followers.

I knew her a lot better than you Ollie boy. She would be utterly horrified at what your Party has become. The lack of intellectual firepower. The nodding dogs in the Cabinet. The lies, the undermining of rule of law. Neither you nor any of the others would have got a job with her https://t.co/hNggcPsxon

— ALASTAIR CAMPBELL (@campbellclaret) June 10, 2022

Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 10 June 2022 14:34 (one year ago) link

Nodding dogs in cabinet? Literally the most famous joke from Spitting Image was "'and what about the vegetables?''Oh, they'll have the same as me'"

still campbellclaret- does that handle mean he's fallen off the wagon?

Coast to coast, LA to Chicago, Western Mail (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 10 June 2022 14:48 (one year ago) link

he must have been pissed when he decided menacingly stalking a female nurse while playing the bagpipes was a jolly good idea

calzino, Friday, 10 June 2022 15:00 (one year ago) link

This continues to age incredibly well

I’m gender critical. I’m anti-Corbyn. I’m suspicious of the woke. I read the Times. I’m a member of the Conservative Party. But above all I’m left wing

— ian mighty ft. eugene cobwebs (@iammightor) May 31, 2021

gyac, Friday, 10 June 2022 15:07 (one year ago) link

Nodding dogs in cabinet? Literally the most famous joke from Spitting Image was "'and what about the vegetables?''Oh, they'll have the same as me'"

still campbellclaret- does that handle mean he's fallen off the wagon?


This is a reference to him being a Burnley fan

gyac, Friday, 10 June 2022 15:07 (one year ago) link

he must have been pissed when he decided menacingly stalking a female nurse while playing the bagpipes was a jolly good idea

As his forefathers had done before him. In Burnley.

Doodles Diamond (Tom D.), Friday, 10 June 2022 15:10 (one year ago) link

Didn't realise until reading his wiki that he has spent his entire life living in England.

Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 10 June 2022 15:14 (one year ago) link

Thank the Lord.

Doodles Diamond (Tom D.), Friday, 10 June 2022 15:18 (one year ago) link

probably would do pretty well in a "worst member of the Scottish diaspora" poll though.

Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 10 June 2022 15:29 (one year ago) link

javid says nhs doesn’t need any more money, it needs… wait for it…. to be reformed. says it’s a “blockbuster system in a netflix era”. later clarifies that he is not suggesting the nhs should be a subscription service.

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 11 June 2022 17:39 (one year ago) link

Has he seen the Netflix stock price recently?

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 11 June 2022 17:51 (one year ago) link

After 4 hours of resistance and a crowd of 200 people they’re letting our neighbour go! People power wins. We’re shouting ‘don’t come back to Peckham!’ pic.twitter.com/qRQUVAnFwf

— Lewisham Anti-Raids (@Lewisham_AR) June 11, 2022

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 11 June 2022 18:05 (one year ago) link

qwhite interesting experiences of two refugees from war-torn countries travelling in britain. posted less than an hour apart pic.twitter.com/3KsVNZdUbK

— gavinmit (@gavinmit) June 11, 2022

results may vary from spring of hope to winter of despair on entering the UK as a non wealthy refugee, purely dependent on your skin colour.

calzino, Sunday, 12 June 2022 01:00 (one year ago) link

Johnson did the Netflix analogy the other day too i think?

i mean obv surprise Tories = script kiddies, professional pols = script kiddies but ffs, to be insulated by these fascists etc

Armenian Idol (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 12 June 2022 04:01 (one year ago) link

enjoying the typos there so appy olly logies

Armenian Idol (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 12 June 2022 04:02 (one year ago) link

One thing I can't get over from the Peckham immigration resistance yesterday is that The Telegraph sent a journalist down to cover the protest. He came in a shirt and tie and suit trousers after most people had dispersed and kept asking to speak to "an authority" for quotes.

— Diyora Shadijanova (Диёра Шадижанова) 🇺🇿🇹🇯 (@thediyora) June 12, 2022

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 12 June 2022 10:40 (one year ago) link

Lol @ the question but it's hilarious how *checks notes* Prince Charles will have to be disciplined.

So the deportation of refugees turns out to be more important to the right-wing press than respect for: the law, the Church, and now the monarchy. I just don’t get it. pic.twitter.com/rGbbqOQofD

— Andrew McRae (@McRaeAndrew) June 12, 2022

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 12 June 2022 10:52 (one year ago) link

There is a whiff of the manufactured to this row.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 12 June 2022 10:53 (one year ago) link

If the monarchy is ever abolished in the UK, it'll be the right who do it

Doodles Diamond (Tom D.), Sunday, 12 June 2022 12:02 (one year ago) link

Paul Mason didn't make the cut for the Stretford & Urmston shortlist. Lol, maybe now he'll add Starmer to his map of Putin proxies within the UK left

calzino, Sunday, 12 June 2022 22:39 (one year ago) link

(local elections seem increasingly important and up for grabs everywhere; i wonder if this signifies anything)

youn, Sunday, 12 June 2022 22:59 (one year ago) link

or disaggregated voters that identify regionally in national elections

youn, Sunday, 12 June 2022 23:02 (one year ago) link

This is like a calz mind-to-text reader

The words most associated with Starmer.

I particularly like 'tosser', 'twat' and 'dick' pic.twitter.com/FW4xTHLb3Y

— j (@jrc1921) June 13, 2022



very amused by “Tory”, “weird” and “dick”

gyac, Monday, 13 June 2022 08:38 (one year ago) link

the first two that come to mind for me (unimaginative and stickler) aren't there, but can generally agree with that

imago, Monday, 13 June 2022 09:07 (one year ago) link

poll

Coast to coast, LA to Chicago, Western Mail (Bananaman Begins), Monday, 13 June 2022 09:13 (one year ago) link

I was talking to a friend recently and he casually dropped into the conversation the fact that he used to know the Starmers! Lived in the same N. London street, kids played together etc. Apparently she's really nice and he's pleasant enough too. So I had to change my analysis of him from 'cunt' to 'Tory cunt', which seemed to be acceptable.

Anyway. Normal thread service will now resume!

the classic emerson lake & palmer line-up (Matt #2), Monday, 13 June 2022 09:19 (one year ago) link

Don't give right wing cunts imagination ffs.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 13 June 2022 09:22 (one year ago) link

there was a GRT woman on R4 this morning talking about that racist caravan burning procession that DPP Starmer decided did not merit any further investigation or prosecution. So I'd add EVIL RACIST CUNT

calzino, Monday, 13 June 2022 09:31 (one year ago) link


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