the comics kind of establish there are groups that do worship particular gods, or act cult-like at times, but since there are multiple pantheons of gods that are apparently real (norse, greek, roman, egyptian, +++) it’s just like “oh these are real but since we see them they’re just like, lesser gods or mythical superheroes”some of the comics occasionally imply that the “real god(s)” worshipped by modern people exist, and they’re on an unseen higher plane of existence, but these are also comics who have cosmic entities so lol
― mh, Monday, 30 May 2022 15:13 (one year ago) link
Yeah, Marvel has an entire cosmology of god-entities
― subject matter expert (morrisp), Monday, 30 May 2022 15:37 (one year ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Tuesday, 31 May 2022 00:01 (one year ago) link
thanks all for making the effort to explain the theology of marvel to me, i genuinely find this kind of stuff (the implications of epic world-building on the lives of the normal people in that world) really interesting (honestly, more interesting than the epic parts of the story)
― na (NA), Tuesday, 31 May 2022 13:43 (one year ago) link
I also find that interesting, and would like to see stories dealing with the inevitable PTSD the average New Yorker has what with frequent alien invasions and randomly getting snapped out of existence
― I am using your worlds, Tuesday, 31 May 2022 16:26 (one year ago) link
There were posters advertising a post-Snap PTSD hotline in one of those Spider-Man movies. Marvel should do a series with, like, a psychiatrist helping ppl out.
― subject matter expert (morrisp), Tuesday, 31 May 2022 17:42 (one year ago) link
I mean, there was a whole scene with Steve Rogers in a support group for survivors of the snap.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 31 May 2022 17:45 (one year ago) link
Damage Control but for PTSD
― mh, Tuesday, 31 May 2022 17:54 (one year ago) link
And Tony Stark was having panic attacks after the first Avengers movie
― rare lipstick or mohawks that somehow make them more valuable (President Keyes), Tuesday, 31 May 2022 17:55 (one year ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Wednesday, 1 June 2022 00:01 (one year ago) link
lol
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 1 June 2022 00:02 (one year ago) link
I promise never to start another MCU thread.
― WmC, Wednesday, 1 June 2022 00:06 (one year ago) link
The Thor trailer is pretty good, but not enough Jane (IMO). Also, it doesn’t seem to really capture the depths of Odinson’s “unworthiness,” but I guess we’ll see how they treat that.
― subject matter expert (morrisp), Friday, 3 June 2022 06:04 (one year ago) link
First episode of Ms Marvel out tomorrow
― groovypanda, Tuesday, 7 June 2022 08:10 (one year ago) link
Super late on this, but finally saw Dr. Strange. Absolutely loved it, so much fun. The first 20 minutes or so kinda dragged and had me nervous, but it really took off from there. Raimi did a great job mixing the visuals, horror and campiness (particularly loved the Fantasia nod and the Raimi-verse cameo). It was fun enough to overcome the shoehorning in of references to most of the Disney TV shows.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 14:06 (one year ago) link
loved multiverse of madness for the most part even though the script/plot seem worse and worse from a distance. give me necromancy and eyeballs popping out of sockets and my standards lower accordingly
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 14:09 (one year ago) link
^^ otm
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 14:10 (one year ago) link
i've aggressively tried to ignore every marvel property over the past five-six years but pretty much every major character came off like they'd been written into a corner, not just wanda (though especially wanda)
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 14:16 (one year ago) link
Loved Ms Marvel. So much fun and some genuine irl lol moments.
Really like how they use the TV shows to try things they probably couldn't do in the movies.
― groovypanda, Wednesday, 8 June 2022 19:44 (one year ago) link
I enjoyed the continual cartoons. & liked the fact that this was a high school age muslin girl from a pakistani background. For ages I wondered if there were any US population from the subcontinent since they seemed to get absolutely zero coverage. I was actually thinking nobody from that background there when I was a teen, surprised i hadn't met any there when visiting my UN dad. Though maybe him being Kenyan was significant. Now have heard about historic discrimination against what would then be Indian populations dating back to the 19th century in US & Canada. & popular tv appearance has grown over last couple of decades. Still pretty marginal from what current US tv I see but there actually are characters appearing from the various countries around the area that didn't seem to be represented at all before.
I enjoyed this and want more as soon as the episode ends so have to wait til next week . Need to work out how she got to become a Ms Marvel if Carol Danvers exists or is she off on the far side of the universe.This was fun.
Looking forward to seeing what they did with She Hulk cos I do enjoy Tatiana Maslany.
― Stevolende, Thursday, 9 June 2022 10:50 (one year ago) link
Now got to think. is the family overly stereotyped. Are these character types overly white gaze. Is the comic and the tv series both written by somebody from a background with the right gaze. Appears to be , so hope it doesn't come across as overly catering to misunderstamdomg amd hope they keep the balance right.
Seemed to be handled quite well I thought but is that from an external gaze.
I was just thinking there was a cliche in the States that people would continually ask black English people to stop putting on the accent. Think this was because there was little UK fictional tv with black characters before a certain point too. So not sure if I was just not seeing Indian characters on US tv that wasn't getting to the UK
― Stevolende, Thursday, 9 June 2022 11:13 (one year ago) link
This is India-specific, but there's an infographic here:https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/indian-immigrants-united-states-2019
― mh, Thursday, 9 June 2022 14:56 (one year ago) link
ok that's interesting. My teens would be between 1980 and 1990 so I wasn't as wrong at the time as much as i had assumed. THought it was just deep under representation connected to racism but it was minority population due to the same. LIke I know there was some population around for a long time but seems like they clamped down on brown people who didn't come in as their supposed commodity. Not great legacy, hope tehy are flourishing now.
― Stevolende, Thursday, 9 June 2022 20:22 (one year ago) link
Now got to think. is the family overly stereotyped. Are these character types overly white gaze.
not pakistani or american, but this western-educated muslim girl thought the depiction of the khans felt fairly authentic - Quranic verses as home decor is v real, and so is having that one sibling who is super religious but pretty cool at the same time
really liked this - thought the pacing felt a bit weird/rushed, but it worked with all the gimmicky camerawork and animated background visuals
― Roz, Friday, 10 June 2022 04:25 (one year ago) link
Giddy fun, I’d say, with many resonances that others would feel more deeply than I ever could.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 10 June 2022 05:18 (one year ago) link
I wondered if there were any US population from the subcontinent
I have a weird view of this because I grew up in an extremely white town where essentially the only POC were the children of local doctors and faculty / grad students at the university and most of them were Indian / Pakistani / Sri Lankan. Like the only non-white kids in my grade consistently from kindergarten through 12th grade had parents who immigrated from india, and I know way more about hinduism than judaism, for example, because the one jewish kid moved away in 3rd grade.
― joygoat, Friday, 10 June 2022 16:23 (one year ago) link
Watched the first episode with my kids… I thought it was pretty good, and some of the touches were creative. As with Hawkeye, the acting felt like a weak point to me (I guess Marvel doesn’t focus on that too much) – her parents were good, though.Bonus “Trust A Bro” truck sighting in the end credits…
― Creature Catcher (Live) (morrisp), Saturday, 11 June 2022 21:54 (one year ago) link
Is the white kid in MsM canonical
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 17 June 2022 03:45 (one year ago) link
Like, from the comic? Bruno is a character, yeah
― Creature Catcher (Live) (morrisp), Friday, 17 June 2022 04:01 (one year ago) link
(he’s different there, but so is Kamala)
Ty. I want the character to go away and focus on the fun friendship between the female leads is all
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 17 June 2022 04:06 (one year ago) link
a friend who lived with me in Jersey City accurately noted that although there are no noticeable "filmed in Jersey City" shots, the _feel_ of the show is extremely accurate to JC. Fun fact, there's a reference to the street corner i once lived on, though the setting is entirely wrong.
― i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 21 June 2022 06:29 (one year ago) link
Xp Does Marvel/Disney think it needs to have at least one prominent white male character to get that audience?
Hoping people are more enlightened. But is that a factor.May affect how prominent that character is? Or he may already be a dynamic in the comics, though possibly for a similar reason.Not sure how things like that work. Are kids still likely to go eurgh it's a girls' /boys' comic so I can't be seen with it. Or it depicts an ethnicity other than WASP white so it'll be marginalised.Hope not.
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 21 June 2022 07:21 (one year ago) link
Really hoping that it is becoming less of a thing that one might need to have a white character to get a white audience.
Seems a little archaic and if it was an invented new character inserted to do that a really bad step. |BUt wondered if it was still something deemed necessary by management when the comic book version appeared.
So interesting to see the sidekick being one of the very few white people in the episode this week. Most of the others were in the Men in Black group I think.Still enjoying this greatly.
Hoping this is the beginning of something longer term for the younger cast. Have no idea what Asian shows are on US tv at the moment outside of this. Or characters in other popular tv beyond Silicon Valley and Master of None etc. Hope things are building from there though. Hoping more roles are going to people of the right ethnicity not white actors in make up or totally different ethnicities who the makers hope the audience won't notice. I'm assuming black characters in this are intentionally black.
― Stevolende, Thursday, 23 June 2022 11:32 (one year ago) link
Thought it was interesting Disney used MIA a few eps ago
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 24 June 2022 01:20 (one year ago) link
Gosh the latest episode was so good. Could have just been a hang with the Karachi family episode alone and I would have loved it.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 30 June 2022 06:13 (one year ago) link
Well we got Thor coming up and all but meantime they're filming more Loki and the wide tie-ins and obscure characters? They're there.
i think they’re shooting loki by the noël theatre in london rn pic.twitter.com/dId6JUdKpx— sasha 🇺🇦 (@LOVE1SNOTENOUGH) July 3, 2022
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 5 July 2022 15:12 (one year ago) link
LA Times review of TLaT is lukewarm, though somewhat positive. Still theater-averse, will see it on blu in Sept or Oct. As a long-timer, anything big screen is compared to Nicholas Hammond spewing a rope net, so have yet to be roundly disappointed by a MCU film.
― the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Tuesday, 5 July 2022 15:53 (one year ago) link
Seeing publicists comparing it with Batman and Robin to try and improve its reputation won't fill most people with hope (unless like me you love B&R).
― Long enough attention span for a Stephen Bissette blu-ray extra (aldo), Tuesday, 5 July 2022 19:24 (one year ago) link
xp That’s a well-written review; I like Justin Chang. And lukewarm for sure
― Bunheads Pilot Enthusiast (morrisp), Wednesday, 6 July 2022 05:11 (one year ago) link
Having just seen it: utterly ridiculous and therefore perfectly enjoyable, a wonderful B-movie and I mean that as praise. Plus, very metal.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 July 2022 00:36 (one year ago) link
circling back to say the most recent ep of Ms Marvel was terrific, especially the casting of her great great grandparents just wow. I wasnt aware of Fawak Khan or Mehwish Hayat before now but LORD no wonder they are such stars in Pakistan: holy wow the camera loves them. Also they should do something together ASAP because whoa chemistry much u guys? also similar to the way Moon Knight portrayed Egypt, props for not putting a piss-yellow filter over everything in Karachi & letting all of its wonderful color & vibrancy come through
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 8 July 2022 00:52 (one year ago) link
*Fawad
pretty great yeah.THis isa 6 episode run isn't it? Just seems like there's a lot to do with one episode left if so. Does that mean we are almost bound to get a series 2 please.Am enjoying this. & hope it does mean things don't need to be quite so eurocentric. Has the costume character actually got a name yet. Was wondering how she could be a Ms Marvel at the same time Carol Danvers was known to be, or has she vanished as far as people stuck on earth are concerned? Like to the far reaches of teh Universe or something.
Hope the standard for MTVU remains as high and growing.
― Stevolende, Friday, 8 July 2022 08:46 (one year ago) link
Carol Danvers is Captain Marvel and always has been in the MCU; she was only ever Ms. Marvel in the comics
― castanuts (DJP), Friday, 8 July 2022 15:21 (one year ago) link
Really enjoyed Thor. Taika seems to truly understand its inherent ridiculousness, but also when and when not to lean in. Bits of it reminded me of Gilliam's "Baron Munchausen.'
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 8 July 2022 18:14 (one year ago) link
Od's Blood! Hath ILE no thread for anticipation of THOR 4? Verily?
― Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 9 July 2022 16:40 (one year ago) link
I have to alert everyone that the making of Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness special on Disney+ is hosted by Bruce Campbell.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 9 July 2022 23:08 (one year ago) link
they've officially reached the point where I was able to guess halfway through the movie exactly who would show up in the mid-credits sequence
the ending was kind of rote and corny, but there were some moments here and there. the highlight of Thor: L&T for me was probably the fast-paced battle scene with flashes of color. somehow managed the frantic quick-cut style reminiscent of a Michael Bay movie while still being legible, possibly because the camera wasn't two feet away from the characters
― mh, Wednesday, 13 July 2022 15:34 (one year ago) link
Ms Marvel ended very well. Great series I thought and I am really looking forward to the movie now. And boy were they dropping hints left and right at the end there (and not hiding it).
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 14 July 2022 06:01 (one year ago) link