What are Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Flaws?

How far do your sympathies extend and can you understand limitations in your peers? I forwarded a NYT article on Biden's trade policy in the Pacific to my dad and I think there was mention that Biden have been reacting to progressives who might oppose free trade on account of labor standards. This may be wrong, but I wonder if globally the same labor standards can be applied if one's standard of living is lower in the first place. Also for environmental standards and what is available for mitigation.

the true cost of globalization and free trade may be unknown, and it may be better overall (for environmental, economic, or humanistic reasons, or survival as a species = all previous combined) to retain locality, but could one maintain tolerance and curiosity and interest without dependence or other motives?

may have been reacting (sorry for typo in post above)

The ethical and pragmatic questions around redistricting in New York are interesting. It seems worthy of philosophy and some part of psychology that explores ethical questions.

I will explain this to you slowly: exercising our right to protest is not obstruction of Congress nor an attempt to overturn democracy.

If one were a heinous enough person to do that, they’d likely seek a pardon for it too.

But only one of us here has done that. And it ain’t me pic.twitter.com/o4889FBFyF

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) June 24, 2022

Feel like she and Omar are the only Democrats on Twitter who don't just post SOMEONE SHOULD DO SOMETHING over and over. Bernie is as bad as Biden and Harris.

interview with ny rep maloney:

There is a debate in New York right now about the New York Democratic Party, and Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and some on the left are arguing its leadership is part of the problem here. Is that a conversation you are a part of?

The last time I ran into A.O.C., we were beating her endorsed candidate two to one in a primary, and I didn’t see her one minute of these midterms helping our House majority. So, I’m not sure what kind of advice she has, but I’m sure she’ll be generous with it.

But let’s be clear, she had almost nothing to do with what turned out to be an historic defense of our majority. Didn’t pay a dollar of dues. Didn’t do anything for our frontline candidates except give them money when they didn’t want it from her.

There are other voices who should be heard, especially when suburban voters have clearly rejected the ideas that she’s most associated with, from defunding the police on down. She’s an important voice in our politics. But when it comes to passing our agenda through the Congress, or standing our ground on the political battlefield, she was nowhere to be found.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/10/nyregion/sean-patrick-maloney.html

up yours dickhead

to be fair, amidst all the celebration about how we didn't lose the house as bad as expected, we did lose it. probably. in large part due to ny. in this era when holding the majority is more important than anything, even dickheads can be helpful. if they win.

Didn’t do anything for our frontline candidates except give them money when they didn’t want it from her.

Damn, terrible

to be fair, amidst all the celebration about how we didn't lose the house as bad as expected, we did lose it. probably. in large part due to ny.

Weren't there seven brand-new seats created just this year in NY? Hardly something one can lay at AOC's feet. Anyway, she has a job and he doesn't, at least not until next week when he'll pop up as a lobbyist and CNN commentator.

maybe should include her response as well

Let’s make something crystal clear:
- SPM courted me for donations to swing races & it was the 1st thing I did this term. Over a quarter million for Dems this cycle, DCCC facilitated some & now he denies it.
- If he isn’t aware of my visit to CA & efforts we put in, that’s on him https://t.co/eACfScbB3T

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) November 11, 2022

"Didn’t pay a dollar of dues"

How many dollars of dues was Rep. AOC supposed to pay this person or organization?

AOC hasn't paid her DNC dues since she was elected iirc

which *nods agreeably*

so do people still agree with this guy on defunding the police

I recall several posters calling it a stupid and and divisive demand

whatever. something flipped those four suburban ny seats. would behoove people to figure out what.

why are people in the suburbs afraid of crime? is there a lot of crime there?

why are people in the suburbs afraid of crime? is there a lot of crime there?

Hardly. But if you live on Long Island or Staten Island, the odds are about 70/30 that your neighbor is either a cop or a fireman (assuming you're neither of those things yourself). And nobody's more susceptible to crime-wave propaganda than cops. They pretty much embody the "ultra-macho man who's terrified to go into the city" stereotype.

well i will say they've taken to jacking up people's cars in their driveways and stealing their catalitic converters. if they're the old kind that are hard to replace.

but, you know, some crime statistics went up during the pandemic and the ny post takes every opportunity to remind people of it on their front page.

Right. In the rest of that interview he blames "the News Corporation fear machine". It's not clear to me what any Dem, let alone AOC, can do about that though, because even if they tripled the police budget in every district, nakedly partisan media aren't going to give them any credit for it.

Good read: https://radleybalko.substack.com/p/your-guide-to-crime-and-the-midterms

let me get this straight:

1) AOC and her ideas don’t play in the suburbs
2) maloney thinks AOC should have been… more visible in these places

🤔

seems like laying low and contributing cash is exactly what she should have been doing ??

the suburbs are extremely worried about rising crime...in the city. People in the city are...less worried.

How fucking childish for these losers like Maloney and Pelosi to shun and dump on the biggest stars of their caucus and then blame them for anything that goes wrong no matter what they do

Fuck SPM, he pushed my former rep Mondaire Jones out of the newly formed district which caused a chain reaction of stupid things this cycle. It might have been somebody else if not him, but he's of course trying to shift blame. And the dumbass lost for all this, too

The conservatives made a lot of hay this year when bail reform finally got passed, blaming all the Democrats for increased crime (and of course, ignoring all the possible factors in the past couple of years, like gee, maybe the pandemic). Non-stop TV ads all year long attacking every Democrat. That article Alfred posted explains this far more eloquently

the suburbs are extremely worried about rising crime...in the city. People in the city are...less worried.

― dan selzer, Friday, November 11, 2022 10:42 AM (one minute ago)

yeah honestly my takeaway from Maloney is that NY suburbanites are uniquely gullible or brainwashed compared to their counterparts elsewhere in the US, which I know is an all-time classic "bad take" but I'm not sure what else to think. Or at any rate I'm at a loss to imagine (good) policy options for getting people to realize they're paranoid / being played

That Balko piece was excellent, Alfred, thanks. The NY vs. OK point is particularly compelling

crime as a national election issue is so dumb anyway, i can see in local mayoral/city council elections but wtf is one person in the house of representatives going to do about crime in some suburb of cleveland

As time goes on I become increasingly pro-crime

Suburban Minneapolis was frit about urban crime; exurban Minneapolis even more so.

There was some great article a few years back about how the people who lived closest to the city without actually living in or experiencing the city, are the ones who are the most scared of the city. Like they hear the stories and feel like the fear is close by. While those of us in the city go about our business.

crime as a national election issue is so dumb anyway

same thing goes for gas prices/inflation. lots of conservative campaign issues were just straight up appeals to ignorance and fear unconnected to any kind of platform or policies

i listened to The Daily's analysis of the election results so far and it was dumb as hell. Barbaro kept pushing a line that the house and senate races had become "regionalized" which worked against republicans since abortion and "democracy issues" (he meant Stop The Steal) and it's like...... these are regional elections, Michael. They are state races. Sentiment about the sitting president obviously has a part to play but god sorry I think I just hate him, he could say the most logical thing in the world and I'd still disagree with it.

does Barbaro still interject "----HMM!!----" all the time? i used to listen to the daily on my way to work and would note the timestamps of all the times he did it, and then i'd get home, extract the audio at the appropriate points, and added them to a Barabaro HMM!!! playlist which was sorted from shortest to longest clips

He doesn’t but he still does the urgent whispering thing

I posted extensively in the November US politics thread about how useless, corrupt, disinterested, the NY state and local country Dem apparatus is. AOC is 100% right to discount those careerist game players.

*county

release the barbaro HMM cut, km

AOC is so fucking awesome, she actually helps the Dems by being one of their few truly inspiring figures with any national profile, by talking past the media and directly to the voters, sticking to her beliefs, and not by sucking up to some careerist politician like (checks name) Maloney.

let alone the DCCC chair who just his own district

just *lost* his own district

Give him some credit, he actually lost Mondaire Jones's district.

I live right on the border (was in Jones's before the redistrict, now in Bowman's) and every single YouTube video was about "liberal Sean Patrick Maloney" and his love of Pelosi's agenda for months before they hit on the crime thing, so they smelled blood in the water a long time ago. I didn't start seeing anti-Lawler ads until last week. Obviously AOC OTM about everything.

god, the non-stop fearmongering ads about him supporting bail reform... must've seen them 20-30 times in the two months on Hulu. and again, bail reform is NOT a bad thing

Just want to register that AOC is hosting a military recruitment event at a Bronx high school tomorrow. Such conviction and integrity.

https://elmtreeschool.com/apps/pages/index.jsp?uREC_ID=2927340&type=d&pREC_ID=2418215

The event is for high school students, families, and anyone interested in learning about the different resources and opportunities available to students through our district office, such as the app challenge, art competition, internship program, and service academy nominations.

We will be joined by representatives from various service academies, the U.S. Department of Education, and more

Sounds very nefarious

I assume the app challenge is some learn to code shit, possibly more offensive than sending a constituent's kid to Annapolis

milo have you considered not using computers