"we'll change the things that need changing and that's all we'll change": the paSUKification of post-brexit politics 2021

well not from Parliament, I should have said it's blocking another paedo-councillor!

there is this councillor who lives down the road from me. He's a likable bullshit merchant but probably never going to anything good, and he's running for Kirklees Mayor now. He won't be able stand next to Kieth for photos. I'm about 6 feet tall or just short of it and he looked like a giant to me!

https://www.dewsburyreporter.co.uk/webimg/QVNIMTI1NzY0MzY5.jpg?width=2048&enable=upscale

oh he's becoming Kirklees Mayor. This is the guy who wanted me to vote on some local bollox about some newbuild homes project when I was a Labour member. When I told him I didn't have time and only joined to support the Corbyn project he tried to win me over by saying Gordon Brown and Ken Livingstone were his political heroes! I felt a bit bad the next day for knocking him back when there was a serious arson attack at his home.

my fave local councillor is Nosheen Dad. I once saw her pick up a decaying dead rat and put it in a litter bin. That was very brave and she didn't do a photo of herself pointing at the dead rat.

is the kirklees mayor taller than daniel kawczynski, is what i want to know

if he is i support him too

oh no I don't think he's that tall, he's probably about 6"3 really, but I think his big head/big shoulder pad combo makes look much taller or something like that. But while Kieth is leader I offer critical support to all tall people!

If I didn't want to be called a 'murderer' or 'Tory scum' I simply wouldn't be a Tory MP voting for cuts that killed tens of thousands of people https://t.co/Nw54oPdVKc pic.twitter.com/RscrqxybKv

— j (@jrc1921) May 23, 2022

when an MP get's murdered, an extremely rare lolccurrence - it's time for some sober reflection on how the toxic discourse in UK politics led to this tragic event. 140 000 + disabled people dying from the cross-party PIP project - that's just numbers you are making up m8 and this crude and inflammatory discourse will not do.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/may/24/energy-bills-likely-to-rise-by-800-in-october-says-ofgem-chief

This piece by Andrew Fisher is takes to task Eagleton's chapter on Brexit in his Starmer book:

https://labourhub.org.uk/2022/05/24/dont-play-the-blame-game/

AF otm. That aspect of Eagleton's book is indeed v bad and annoying; think Olly has absorbed the Lexity dogmas of his NLR forebears all too well.

See also https://tendancecoatesy.wordpress.com/2021/03/09/new-left-review-oliver-eagleton-attacks-owen-jones-tough-action-on-antisemitism-is-a-proxy-for-antisocialism/

The Starmer Project by Oliver Eagleton has, it seems, a side project to sow division in the left, attacking left stalwarts such as John McDonnell, Diane Abbott and Rebecca Long Bailey, while infantilising Jeremy Corbyn.

this is bollox imo and though perhaps some of his refutations of Eagleton's account might be right, does he think these people are above criticism? Because I believe Eagleton does get a lot of things correct about them. But perhaps he has got a point about infantilising Corbyn in parts of the book. Now we can see what a sharp operator Starmer it is hard to believe that he was conducting some long game plot as brexit minister, the way events folded out did work out fortuitously for his career. But he's too much of a muddled, indecisive kind of player for it to have been a cunning plan.

McD meeting with Campbell and inviting him back to the party and getting cosy with other Blairite debris, whatever was on his mind at the time? lol.

always delighted to read ill of an eagleton *whistling innocently*

I don't think Fisher is saying McDonnell is beyond criticism. It's just that his account of his role in changing Lab's policy on Brexit between 2017 and 2019 doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

"a side project to sow division in the left"

it's this kind of nonsense I meant

Fair enough, though if Fisher is right I wonder what Eagleton is playing at?

* Right about his criticisms of Eagleton's account.

I think would say he's upholding the family tradition of being bad

*mark s*

thats right

Lol

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/may/24/government-did-encourage-premier-league-to-approve-saudi-newcastle-takeover

https://t.co/Cey90aQfwg

— Oliver Eagleton (@EagletonOliver) May 25, 2022

https://labourhub.org.uk/2022/05/25/a-reply-to-andrew-fisher/

did you hear about the feight at the chippy? I heard a Fisher got battered.

Think this is pretty disingenuous bs from Eagleton jr tbh.

Relying on 'perception' and 'making no such claim' is it now?

I think both "The Eagle" and the Fish are unreliable for different reasons. Oliver can't back down because he's a got a book to plug and isn't going to put his hands up and say: perhaps my brexit chapter padded out with lots of spurious bollox and character slurs, but it's a cracking read. And as for Fisher he's a Labour Party guy - so quite possibly even more untrustworthy and full of shit. No actually, make that "certainly"!

Fisher was a pretty central figure in the Corbyn project, right? I'm pretty sure (don't follow him so could be wrong) he agrees that Starmer isn't worth shit but he'll blanket his criticisms from a policy direction. In the end he is as much of a Lab party guy as Corbyn. They will both tell us to vote Lab on election day.

anyone who tells you to vote Labour, I don't care who it is - Corbyn or Trickett or that big stupid Geordie doorman or OJ, well they all lack integrity imo.

They all lack integrity. But we all voted for them once upon a time because this rumbled left -- the fact that Starmer was in the cabinet at all is because of lack of left-wing alternatives -- is the best we had.

Don't really think lack of integrity is Corbyn's problem so much as a dogged conviction that this is the only hope going forward despite huge evidence to the contrary. Not that it matters in practical terms.

Oops:

gyac wrote this on thread "we'll change the things that need changing and that's all we'll change": the paSUKification of post-brexit politics 2021 on board I Love Everything on 10-May-2022

bier korma must resign

Boris Johnson calls the Labour leader: "Sir Beer Korma"

— John Stevens (@johnestevens) May 25, 2022

lol!

you got me, I’m running the country rn

and no, I do not accept constructive feedback on my role, thx

You didn't come up with Vladimir Corbyn too did you?

I wish, it flows so, idk, easily?!

Quiet like the Don, perhaps.

Let’s take this beef to the thread where people aren’t mourning dead children

imago
Posted: 25 May 2022 at 16:01:30
ukilx has driven away anyone interesting or good-natured, leaving in its wake a hive of dickheads

do tell!

venting. i'm fond of most of you but when that alphabet cunt tears into me over and over again it's weird how we're both to blame at best, and he gets backed up at worst

I have said to him both online and off that his beef is boring, repetitive and tedious in the extreme!

Also he was actually behaving more appropriately on this occasion?

A hive of dickheads that treated me with kindness when I had lies being told about me - my kind of hive, regardless of whether you consider them dickheads or not.

ukilx has driven away anyone interesting or good-natured, leaving in its wake a hive of dickheads

― imago, Wednesday, 25 May 2022 bookmarkflaglink

Like you?

Sorry imago, but you’ve dropped this accusation in a few times now, so let’s talk about it.

don't think it'll go any different than the last time we did so I vote no

I have said to him both online and off that his beef is boring, repetitive and tedious in the extreme!

As have I.

He won't take a telling though!

That's right

look we can all be forgiven for hyperbole in moments of passion right

loads of good posters have quit but that is by-the-by, some good ones remain, and most present are capable of good posting (no such thing as a good poster only good posts etc); i was being typically brusque

but to have this wanker pop up to belittle me, call me an idiot, ludicrous, a joke, a Tory etc at every given opportunity is kind of wearing