Marvel Cinematic Universe, Phase 4 & Beyond (and a chance to change your vote)

Hopefully the CGI will be better in the actual show?

I haven't watched a single Marvel series but I have a thing for strong tall women so I will probably try this one.

ruffalo’s hulk has always looked fake as shit imo

Having seen (and enjoyed) Moon Knight i would doubt the CGI gets better

While I am not a She-Hulk scholar, I’ve read some of the comics, and these criticisms were surprising to me:

Since her introduction in The Savage She-Hulk #1 in the 1980s, Jennifer Walters has been a frustrating character for a lot of comic readers because she is surrounded by regressive stereotypes. While Bruce Banner becomes a massive, mostly terrifying, green monster when he hulks out, Jennifer transforms into a sexy 6’7” muscular green lady that is almost always drawn in perverse, sexualized poses. Most of her comic runs feature her half-dressed, shielding her naked body with a newspaper, or bikini-clad on the covers. She often looks like the nighttime fantasies of a particular subset of comic book readers. Like most of the women in Marvel Comics, she has also been romantically linked with a long list of partners, and even referred to as “sloppy seconds” when torn between prominent Marvel characters. The She-Hulk trailer doesn’t seem to shy away from that, unfortunately, they just repackage it in slightly more appealing ways.

John Byrne is kind of villain

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Roffle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Go8nTmfrQd8

Hardly a new innovation but I do appreciate how this poster design is clearly meant to be seen, slightly scuffed around the edge, via a plastic security case surrounding the VHS it's on back in 1986.

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fit,f_auto,g_center,pg_1,q_60,w_965/5798f0f9f87c060750e2ca49f1885248.jpg

Gwar show looking good

i saw the preview for thor love and thunder today and it got me thinking about how the existence of the norse gods in canon in the marvel cinematic universe. so then does everyone on earth worship the norse gods? and if not, why not? like if you know thor actually exists, why are you still worshiping the christian god or allah or whoever else? i assume this has been discussed ad nauseum but i am not a comic book person, sorry.

At the end of "The Eternals" there is a giant cosmic space god that appears hovering over earth, you'd think that would raise a few questions among the faithful, too.

xp I don’t know about the MCU, or how things may have changed in the regular Marvel Universe over time… but the original (1983) Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe entry for Thor says, “Identity: Publicly known, although the general public of earth does not believe him to be the god that was worshiped by the Vikings.”

(similarly, the entry for Sif, from the Deluxe Edition published a few years later (which I grabbed at random) — “Identity: Publicly known on Asgard and on Earth, although the general populace of Earth tends not to believe she is a goddess”

so I think most Earthlings in the Marvel universe don’t know that the Norse or Hellenic gods are “real”)

(although interestingly, the OG entry for Hercules just says, “Identity: publicly known”)

the comics kind of establish there are groups that do worship particular gods, or act cult-like at times, but since there are multiple pantheons of gods that are apparently real (norse, greek, roman, egyptian, +++) it’s just like “oh these are real but since we see them they’re just like, lesser gods or mythical superheroes”

some of the comics occasionally imply that the “real god(s)” worshipped by modern people exist, and they’re on an unseen higher plane of existence, but these are also comics who have cosmic entities so lol

Yeah, Marvel has an entire cosmology of god-entities

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thanks all for making the effort to explain the theology of marvel to me, i genuinely find this kind of stuff (the implications of epic world-building on the lives of the normal people in that world) really interesting (honestly, more interesting than the epic parts of the story)

I also find that interesting, and would like to see stories dealing with the inevitable PTSD the average New Yorker has what with frequent alien invasions and randomly getting snapped out of existence

There were posters advertising a post-Snap PTSD hotline in one of those Spider-Man movies. Marvel should do a series with, like, a psychiatrist helping ppl out.

I mean, there was a whole scene with Steve Rogers in a support group for survivors of the snap.

Damage Control but for PTSD

And Tony Stark was having panic attacks after the first Avengers movie

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I promise never to start another MCU thread.

The Thor trailer is pretty good, but not enough Jane (IMO). Also, it doesn’t seem to really capture the depths of Odinson’s “unworthiness,” but I guess we’ll see how they treat that.

First episode of Ms Marvel out tomorrow

Super late on this, but finally saw Dr. Strange. Absolutely loved it, so much fun. The first 20 minutes or so kinda dragged and had me nervous, but it really took off from there. Raimi did a great job mixing the visuals, horror and campiness (particularly loved the Fantasia nod and the Raimi-verse cameo). It was fun enough to overcome the shoehorning in of references to most of the Disney TV shows.

loved multiverse of madness for the most part even though the script/plot seem worse and worse from a distance. give me necromancy and eyeballs popping out of sockets and my standards lower accordingly

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i've aggressively tried to ignore every marvel property over the past five-six years but pretty much every major character came off like they'd been written into a corner, not just wanda (though especially wanda)

Loved Ms Marvel. So much fun and some genuine irl lol moments.

Really like how they use the TV shows to try things they probably couldn't do in the movies.

I enjoyed the continual cartoons.
& liked the fact that this was a high school age muslin girl from a pakistani background. For ages I wondered if there were any US population from the subcontinent since they seemed to get absolutely zero coverage. I was actually thinking nobody from that background there when I was a teen, surprised i hadn't met any there when visiting my UN dad. Though maybe him being Kenyan was significant. Now have heard about historic discrimination against what would then be Indian populations dating back to the 19th century in US & Canada. & popular tv appearance has grown over last couple of decades. Still pretty marginal from what current US tv I see but there actually are characters appearing from the various countries around the area that didn't seem to be represented at all before.

I enjoyed this and want more as soon as the episode ends so have to wait til next week . Need to work out how she got to become a Ms Marvel if Carol Danvers exists or is she off on the far side of the universe.
This was fun.

Looking forward to seeing what they did with She Hulk cos I do enjoy Tatiana Maslany.

Now got to think. is the family overly stereotyped. Are these character types overly white gaze. Is the comic and the tv series both written by somebody from a background with the right gaze. Appears to be , so hope it doesn't come across as overly catering to misunderstamdomg amd hope they keep the balance right.

Seemed to be handled quite well I thought but is that from an external gaze.

I was just thinking there was a cliche in the States that people would continually ask black English people to stop putting on the accent. Think this was because there was little UK fictional tv with black characters before a certain point too. So not sure if I was just not seeing Indian characters on US tv that wasn't getting to the UK

This is India-specific, but there's an infographic here:
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/indian-immigrants-united-states-2019

ok that's interesting. My teens would be between 1980 and 1990 so I wasn't as wrong at the time as much as i had assumed. THought it was just deep under representation connected to racism but it was minority population due to the same. LIke I know there was some population around for a long time but seems like they clamped down on brown people who didn't come in as their supposed commodity. Not great legacy, hope tehy are flourishing now.

Now got to think. is the family overly stereotyped. Are these character types overly white gaze.

not pakistani or american, but this western-educated muslim girl thought the depiction of the khans felt fairly authentic - Quranic verses as home decor is v real, and so is having that one sibling who is super religious but pretty cool at the same time

really liked this - thought the pacing felt a bit weird/rushed, but it worked with all the gimmicky camerawork and animated background visuals

Giddy fun, I’d say, with many resonances that others would feel more deeply than I ever could.

I wondered if there were any US population from the subcontinent

I have a weird view of this because I grew up in an extremely white town where essentially the only POC were the children of local doctors and faculty / grad students at the university and most of them were Indian / Pakistani / Sri Lankan. Like the only non-white kids in my grade consistently from kindergarten through 12th grade had parents who immigrated from india, and I know way more about hinduism than judaism, for example, because the one jewish kid moved away in 3rd grade.

Watched the first episode with my kids… I thought it was pretty good, and some of the touches were creative. As with Hawkeye, the acting felt like a weak point to me (I guess Marvel doesn’t focus on that too much) – her parents were good, though.

Bonus “Trust A Bro” truck sighting in the end credits…

Is the white kid in MsM canonical

Like, from the comic? Bruno is a character, yeah

(he’s different there, but so is Kamala)

Ty. I want the character to go away and focus on the fun friendship between the female leads is all

a friend who lived with me in Jersey City accurately noted that although there are no noticeable "filmed in Jersey City" shots, the _feel_ of the show is extremely accurate to JC. Fun fact, there's a reference to the street corner i once lived on, though the setting is entirely wrong.

Xp Does Marvel/Disney think it needs to have at least one prominent white male character to get that audience?

Hoping people are more enlightened. But is that a factor.
May affect how prominent that character is? Or he may already be a dynamic in the comics, though possibly for a similar reason.
Not sure how things like that work. Are kids still likely to go eurgh it's a girls' /boys' comic so I can't be seen with it. Or it depicts an ethnicity other than WASP white so it'll be marginalised.
Hope not.

Really hoping that it is becoming less of a thing that one might need to have a white character to get a white audience.

Seems a little archaic and if it was an invented new character inserted to do that a really bad step. |BUt wondered if it was still something deemed necessary by management when the comic book version appeared.

So interesting to see the sidekick being one of the very few white people in the episode this week. Most of the others were in the Men in Black group I think.
Still enjoying this greatly.

Hoping this is the beginning of something longer term for the younger cast. Have no idea what Asian shows are on US tv at the moment outside of this. Or characters in other popular tv beyond Silicon Valley and Master of None etc. Hope things are building from there though. Hoping more roles are going to people of the right ethnicity not white actors in make up or totally different ethnicities who the makers hope the audience won't notice. I'm assuming black characters in this are intentionally black.

Thought it was interesting Disney used MIA a few eps ago

Gosh the latest episode was so good. Could have just been a hang with the Karachi family episode alone and I would have loved it.