more i read kate's posts, more i like the song.
obviously identify with it from one of the other sides. i knew i wasn't gay but i definitely wasn't sure i liked girls either. i liked slow jams, not all that rah rah shit. but the word still got used growing up. a lot. an ongoing theme in kendrick's music: you did it to fit in, not because you wanted to. i'm not ashamed to admit that because of my mental health issues, i have voices that use extremely offensive language in my head, constantly. at some point, it stops becoming about attacking someone because of who they might be and starts to become a form of establishing dominance.
(reminded here of the outstanding byron hurt doc hiphop: beyond beats and rhymes from maybe late 2000s? he talks about how it became more of a casual thing by using it / other lgbtq+ slurs interchangeably with "bitch." that becomes "bitch n___" and "bitch ass n___" and yeah. breaks it tf down. busta rhymes walks out of his interview. talks to gay rappers. interviews trans woman at a hiphop festival. makes a lot of people uncomfortable. highly recommended.)
was outside last night, doing the most middle aged white man thing to do on a friday evening: smoking a bowl and watching the sunset while listening to the new album. a group of teenage boys drove past, blaring "united in grief" and they were into it; waving their arms around, bobbing their heads out the window, being kids. i laughed and waved peace to them and my mind immediately went to that moment when they would hear that song.
i wish i had someone like kendrick at that age. instead i had common talkin`bout "in a circle of f___s yo name is mentioned!" just repeating the cycle.
― Let's disco dance, Hammurabi! (Austin), Saturday, 14 May 2022 18:42 (one year ago) link
Remember when there was repeated/constant discussion in the hip-hop press about The Gay Rapper? Like, there was a rumor there was one? I can't even remember who all was suspected of being The Gay Rapper (Q-Tip was mentioned for sure).
It's very interesting to observe the simultaneous "this is so much better than it was when I was a teenager" and "NOT GOOD ENOUGH" discourse taking place in so many different areas these days.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 14 May 2022 18:49 (one year ago) link
oh god the gay rapper! i just remember thinking "who cares i wanna hear the gay rapper's response record you he got dirty laundry on everybody"
byron hurt doc was 2006 watch it.
― Let's disco dance, Hammurabi! (Austin), Saturday, 14 May 2022 18:51 (one year ago) link
I wanted to wait a week for the fervor to die down, but my son insists I hear this now, so -
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 14 May 2022 19:48 (one year ago) link
also thank you everyone for answering my initial question. this is exactly why i asked. i need to hear all perspectives. just because i am more in step with the narrator's pov in this scenario doesn't mean it's the most productive.
― Let's disco dance, Hammurabi! (Austin), Saturday, 14 May 2022 20:35 (one year ago) link
I’ve read some people justifying the improper pronouns he uses throughout the song as something usual in his style, where he writes from different povs and different timelines, and as he starts growing and learning his modern perspective starts using proper pronouns and understanding the f-word is not for him to use.
It’s still very messy and inconsistent, reading Kate’s and ufo’s pov is very enlightening for me.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 14 May 2022 21:07 (one year ago) link
yes, thanks for these insights, much better here than the kneejerk shit I read on twitter
― akm, Saturday, 14 May 2022 21:19 (one year ago) link
thats kind of how i hear the pronouns thing, him speaking in character as someone who is having a series of realizations, not speaking with wisdom from the present but as an imperfect character within the story in the past. but idk, i could be being overly generous so i dont have to be bummed about it.
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Saturday, 14 May 2022 21:23 (one year ago) link
I agree with OEO’s take on it.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 14 May 2022 21:56 (one year ago) link
"n95" video.
― Let's disco dance, Hammurabi! (Austin), Saturday, 14 May 2022 22:05 (one year ago) link
Popping in to say “Crown” is quietly stunning
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Saturday, 14 May 2022 22:07 (one year ago) link
thats a wow video
― clouds (peanutbuttereverysingleday), Saturday, 14 May 2022 22:15 (one year ago) link
Quality video as usual with him.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 14 May 2022 23:26 (one year ago) link
I think someone upthread (or was it an article?) mentioned there’s no discernable radio singles but “Rich Spirit” is super addictive.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 14 May 2022 23:57 (one year ago) link
“rich spirit” is probably the song on here that most resembles/is most influenced by current sounds in l.a. street rap
― in places all over the world, real stuff be happening (voodoo chili), Sunday, 15 May 2022 00:19 (one year ago) link
it's the album highlight for me.
― Let's disco dance, Hammurabi! (Austin), Sunday, 15 May 2022 00:21 (one year ago) link
X2
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 15 May 2022 06:01 (one year ago) link
rhetorical question: is this what we meant when we used to say "keep it real"?
― Let's disco dance, Hammurabi! (Austin), Monday, 16 May 2022 03:10 (one year ago) link
Heard it, still processing the words, but the production and beats are probably my favorite so far. This run he's on is pretty incredible - I am already on the side of this being a career highlight, but that just puts it on similar terrain as everything post Section.80
Duval Timothy is to MMATBS as Thundercat was on TPAB, right?
― octobeard, Monday, 16 May 2022 07:53 (one year ago) link
Can we have a version of "Purple Hearts" with only Ghostface
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 May 2022 16:19 (one year ago) link
i think "purple hearts" as a whole is one of the highlights
― in places all over the world, real stuff be happening (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 17 May 2022 17:09 (one year ago) link
otm. i was so happy when ghostface showed up
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 17 May 2022 17:22 (one year ago) link
Summer Walker softens the track way too much for my taste.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 May 2022 17:24 (one year ago) link
"purple hearts" is good. feels like a classic "chipmunk soul" beat. definitely caters to vintage ghostface / wu-tang aesthetic.
also it can be added to everyone's favorite new playlist: songs that mention anilingus.
― Let's disco dance, Hammurabi! (Austin), Tuesday, 17 May 2022 18:13 (one year ago) link
and Elohim.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 May 2022 18:15 (one year ago) link
Ok “Die Hard” also has hit single potential.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 18 May 2022 18:31 (one year ago) link
yep if there's any mainstream hits from this album, it's that or "mirror."
― Let's disco dance, Hammurabi! (Austin), Wednesday, 18 May 2022 18:34 (one year ago) link
“n95” will likely have the highest chart peak, considering that video just came out
― in places all over the world, real stuff be happening (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 18 May 2022 18:35 (one year ago) link
bizarro world chart action.
― Let's disco dance, Hammurabi! (Austin), Wednesday, 18 May 2022 18:36 (one year ago) link
re: cry togetherhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNpO4V57pWM
― i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 18 May 2022 20:05 (one year ago) link
I feel like that song has a lot of antecedents in hip-hop but most reviews have acted like it's a skit
― erasingclouds, Thursday, 19 May 2022 11:53 (one year ago) link
If this album had been the first three tracks, We Cry Together and the last four tracks it would have been so good. Maybe throw in one or two of the others from the middle. The big event tracks stand out so much from the others though imo
― imago, Thursday, 19 May 2022 12:38 (one year ago) link
Both in terms of compelling lyrics and production
i straight up removed We Cry Together and Crown from my playlist
― Heez, Thursday, 19 May 2022 13:10 (one year ago) link
by far the worst thing on this album are the citations of that fraud Tolle
― imago, Thursday, 19 May 2022 13:18 (one year ago) link
yeah those bits are pretty dumb
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Thursday, 19 May 2022 13:33 (one year ago) link
at least it wasn't Jordan Peterson
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Thursday, 19 May 2022 13:46 (one year ago) link
"We Cry Together" is the only misfire for me, everything else is interesting in some way. I couldn't recall many of the hooks yet, and I doubt I'll ultimately think this album as good as GKMC or Butterfly, but it has the same compelling quality those albums had. Need to listen more
― Vinnie, Thursday, 19 May 2022 15:29 (one year ago) link
we cry together is good imho
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Thursday, 19 May 2022 17:27 (one year ago) link
it, auntie diaries, mother i sober and mirror are the best things on here imo
― imago, Thursday, 19 May 2022 17:29 (one year ago) link
purple hearts >>>
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Thursday, 19 May 2022 17:31 (one year ago) link
starting to come around on some of the ones i wasn't crazy about the first listen, like "savior" and "crown." "auntie diaries" and "worldwide steppers" are the only ones i'm still not feeling.
― in places all over the world, real stuff be happening (voodoo chili), Thursday, 19 May 2022 17:37 (one year ago) link
I love worldwide steppers now and auntie diaries might have been my favorite song first pass.
"It ain't love if you never eat my ass" that line still fucking keels me over when I hear it on Purple Hearts though lol
― octobeard, Friday, 20 May 2022 07:25 (one year ago) link
I’ve been listening to the album 4 or 5 song increments and “Crown” really jumped out at me when I listened this way. Easy to get lost amidst the bigger tracks but it’s become maybe my favorite thing here
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, 20 May 2022 16:33 (one year ago) link
That's how I've absorbed it too
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 20 May 2022 16:49 (one year ago) link
We cry together is by far the worst thing on it, and for me will be skipped every time just like For Free was.
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Friday, 20 May 2022 17:03 (one year ago) link
Tickets for the tour went on sale today. Barclays got cleaned out fast, wound up settling for the Long Island show, which was far easier to get into. Plenty of good seats available too.
― birdistheword, Friday, 20 May 2022 18:49 (one year ago) link
Got some for Oakland. Missed out on the DAMN tour so looking forward to this
― octobeard, Sunday, 22 May 2022 07:16 (one year ago) link
had to take a rest from this album. with some distance, i really do like it a lot more than DAMN. i love that his message to the audience is ultimately: "everyone needs to take a good, hard look at themselves." the magnified caricatures, the problematic kodak black feature, the blurred lines between is this a projection or his real feelings? — dense and summed up brilliantly in the intro on "we cry together": this is what the world sounds like. do you like what you hear?
and also the actual beats and music are fucking stellar. 4.5 mics. goat candidate status confirmed.
― Let's disco dance, Hammurabi! (Austin), Wednesday, 1 June 2022 17:20 (one year ago) link
I know it's old news at this point, but holy shit at ticket prices.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 1 June 2022 17:25 (one year ago) link