i really like that they introduced it so early on in Discovery, because it allows Mount to do more acting-wise with the character imo
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 9 May 2022 02:08 (one year ago) link
Yeah it has to be a given we know his fate, right? They cant fuck with that fact at least. Surely.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 9 May 2022 03:43 (one year ago) link
It’s canon a couple times over, and if they try to timey wimey it people will be pissed.
I thought this was fine and is a welcome change from Disco and Picard nonsense, but the limits of Trekian optimism butting heads with trying to comment on contemporary ills really showed some strain and the resolution felt way too easily gotten.
― Star Trek: Strange New Wordles (Leee), Monday, 9 May 2022 04:14 (one year ago) link
anson's gonna melt, but it's like a decade away
somewhat awkward in that, while he talks about foreseeing his death, the melting won't actually kill him
this has not gone over well with disabled trek fans
just hope these characters can do something/anything better than being diverse and talking a lot. already like that one officer complaining about shit happening on her watch
― mookieproof, Monday, 9 May 2022 04:24 (one year ago) link
yeah we can only hope
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 9 May 2022 04:52 (one year ago) link
i think that aspect adds dimension ie pike seeing the future & ~interpreting~ it as his deathyet we know that isnt the case
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 9 May 2022 04:58 (one year ago) link
No I think he knows its not his death! He said something like "I saw my death... well, the death of me as I know me" or similar, suggesting what was left might as well have been dead? Which I can see disabled people having an issue with tbrh
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 9 May 2022 07:19 (one year ago) link
As for me, I cant get past thinking of it like this.
https://morbotron.com/meme/S04E12/541823.jpg?b64lines=IEdvIFsgQmVlcCBdIHlvdXJzZWxmLg==
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 9 May 2022 07:21 (one year ago) link
This was good: https://thatshelf.com/star-trek-discoverys-depiction-of-captain-pikes-disability-is-a-betrayal-of-roddenberrys-utopian-vision
"Betrayal" is a bit strong (I'm not sure Roddenberry had significant enough morals to betray) but the piece makes some good points without falling into fannish entitlement
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 9 May 2022 09:26 (one year ago) link
Oh and nu-Chapel seems great and I loved T'pring's retro-futurist makeup.
― Star Trek: Strange New Wordles (Leee), Monday, 9 May 2022 21:13 (one year ago) link
Nu-Chapel seemed very familiar but then I realized it was just the Phoebe Bridgers hair, pretty sure I've never seen her in anything else.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 9 May 2022 22:13 (one year ago) link
I mean really, someone who is so disabled they cant move or speak and have to control a wheelchair with their mind and are just basically a floating head, doesnt sound like a life, disability advocacy is one thing but cmon. This isnt "the mere act of sitting in a wheelchair".
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 9 May 2022 22:21 (one year ago) link
I rather liked this new episode, had the exact setup of a classic one-off but with plenty of its own distinct touches and interactions between characters.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 13 May 2022 00:43 (one year ago) link
only 5 minutes into this new ep but just dropping in to say that Christopher Pike's high hair is doing a LOT of important work on this show
― lemmy incaution (emsworth), Friday, 13 May 2022 01:22 (one year ago) link
already know more about pike's bridge crew than i've learned in four seasons about discovery's
take sides: pike's hair vs. spock's sideburns
i do think it's been well done so far, but i hope the entire season/series isn't haunted by pike's ~fate~. after all, he does love this job
― mookieproof, Friday, 13 May 2022 02:06 (one year ago) link
this show is a real pleasure so far - absolutely nailing it but in an almost understated way
yep I reckon the character work is great (especially vs Disco) - that early scene in Pike's quarters had me grinning - feels like they have uncovered some ancient wisdom from a lost civilisation that "likeable characters that you wanna spend 1hr/week with" is a good TV formula
I've found the 'haunted by future' aspect quite interesting so far - feels like they might be building it into a slow burn plot development rather than just brooding about it? as you say mookieproof, it has been done with a fairly light touch thus far - I'm sure the device must have been used before? but it definitely adds something here, and I think stops Pike from being a bit one dimensional... and dare I say even adds a touch of profundity to the whole thing?
― lemmy incaution (emsworth), Friday, 13 May 2022 02:36 (one year ago) link
Some very bad CGI this week, not a big deal but the Shepherd captain on the view screen looked baaaaaad.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 13 May 2022 04:17 (one year ago) link
kept getting an error in Safari, oops.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 13 May 2022 04:18 (one year ago) link
tbf he was probably actually clint howard in prosthetics
― mookieproof, Friday, 13 May 2022 04:20 (one year ago) link
no need to bang on about it milo jeez <3
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 13 May 2022 22:01 (one year ago) link
Rob Bricken with a solid rave for the show that hits a lot of good points we've mentioned in the thread and elsewhere:
https://gizmodo.com/star-trek-strange-new-worlds-tv-paramount-plus-pike-spo-1848923327
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 13 May 2022 23:53 (one year ago) link
i just noticed spock’s sideburns have a slightly arty curve to them & i hate itpike’s hair however is majestic & i am here for it really enjoyed this ep,
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 14 May 2022 05:38 (one year ago) link
I am hoping his hair gets higher every episode.
― trishyb, Saturday, 14 May 2022 11:25 (one year ago) link
I kept thinking of thishttps://i.pinimg.com/originals/41/84/67/418467cb44c622620a11d8186fa94fdb.jpgexcept I was remembering it as going up wards as well as forward.
Maybe memory incorporating bits of one or both of these which are of a similar vintage I think. Certainly saw them a couple of decades backhttps://cdn.onebauer.media/one/empire-tmdb/films/45145/images/tTagCxKrhFlM5N0TEHQLqrnnf7V.jpg?format=jpg&quality=80&width=960&height=540&ratio=16-9&resize=aspectfill
― Stevolende, Saturday, 14 May 2022 11:56 (one year ago) link
i just noticed spock’s sideburns have a slightly arty curve to them & i hate it
That's how he shows emotion. When pon farr hits they turn into majestic whorls.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 14 May 2022 14:23 (one year ago) link
lmao
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 14 May 2022 17:47 (one year ago) link
I thought the editing was a little slack, but as stated making these characters believable people with real personalities is a welcome change of pace from Disco.
I'm warming up to Peck, I'm pretty sure that his "I apply rigorous logic to defuse tension" was meant as a joke and his little look of disappointment at Uhura not acknowledging it was a small treasure.
― Santa Barbarous (Leee), Saturday, 14 May 2022 20:09 (one year ago) link
yeah i loved thati think peck is great, but i was a fan from the off when he first showed up in Disco
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 14 May 2022 20:50 (one year ago) link
i understand that avoiding contractions and insisting on 'the = thee' and 'a = long a' is a handy way to make him seem alien, but i don't really recall nimoy (or jolene blalock) doing that?
nimoy definitely did the sense-ors thing that lower decks made fun of tho
in any case, i think peck's pretty good
― mookieproof, Saturday, 14 May 2022 21:11 (one year ago) link
Yeah Peck's solid; it's a hell of a thing to be the actor to take on an utterly iconic role -- and the second one to do it at that -- but he seems to have it pitched just right.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 15 May 2022 00:01 (one year ago) link
yeah i think both he & quinto both have acquitted themselves really well, avoiding doing an impression but honoring what’s been established if that makes sense - a difficult balancing act to be sure
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 15 May 2022 00:09 (one year ago) link
peck has a lovely sonorous tone to his voice too which i love
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 15 May 2022 00:10 (one year ago) link
goddamn that was a great episode!oldschool submarine style = my fave
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 27 May 2022 04:19 (one year ago) link
agreed
points off for ‘we’ve got this’ tho
― mookieproof, Friday, 27 May 2022 04:49 (one year ago) link
no! BONUS point for deploying it in a MISSION and not derailing the entire story to talk abt feelings in the process. Also WE vs YOU.
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 27 May 2022 05:02 (one year ago) link
sorry lots of all caps, v animated
Yeah, great episode.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 27 May 2022 05:38 (one year ago) link
ah I see from up the thread, she isn't Drummer from The Expanse
― calzino, Friday, 27 May 2022 06:03 (one year ago) link
Is that a conscious thing they did or is it just chance? Seems to be a widespread reaction. Is it a case of this person would have been cast if available. Is there a character type both fit or just a chance physical resemblance.
― Stevolende, Friday, 27 May 2022 10:08 (one year ago) link
Very glad this series seems to be... ok and perhaps even good? It hasn't come to the UK channels yet though.
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 27 May 2022 11:53 (one year ago) link
I am HERE for Pike and Spock's leather away mission jackets.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Saturday, 28 May 2022 07:39 (one year ago) link
liked ep 4 - ep 3 clunked a bit I thought, but this was good stuff - the gr0n felt proper menacing
― the life of a rebo band is always intense (emsworth), Sunday, 29 May 2022 11:55 (one year ago) link
hijinks!
― mookieproof, Thursday, 2 June 2022 18:53 (one year ago) link
That was very enjoyable.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 3 June 2022 03:49 (one year ago) link
Excellent fun, and a perfect counterbalance to last week.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 3 June 2022 12:11 (one year ago) link
yeah i really enjoyed that one!
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 3 June 2022 14:55 (one year ago) link
I didn't much care for the previous episode but HIJINKS is so good.
― Gianni Fursace (Leee), Saturday, 4 June 2022 21:48 (one year ago) link
they really have such a good light touch with the humor - it’s not signposted as heavily as the original series but still kinda captures a bit of that feel somehowand deadpan vulcans discussing the existence of hijinks ~during a bodyswap~ is just too good
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 4 June 2022 23:03 (one year ago) link
loved it when Spock shows that adult Gorn who is the boss in what was a cracking cliffhanger finale. I think I can vaguely remember seeing the og Gorn episode when I was a kid. I like the way these brutal egg laying nazi lizards communicate their terms with simple diagrams. I was looking up their st history and saw something about an unused scene from one of the movies shot for Riker's bachelor party which featured a Gorn who was a guest there as one of Worf's friends. Obv they used to be a bit more verbal and were socially polite enough not to lay eggs in fellow guests.
― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Friday, 11 August 2023 21:50 (seven months ago) link
Making the Gorn a proto-Borg is kind of trite (and I guess the writers really want a race where Starfleet can kill without moral compunction, maybe they'll serve in part 2 but I have my doubts, since I didn't think the Klingon episode had much depth to it either), and the BOBW hook was frustrating more than anything for me.
― Albert Canoe (Leee), Saturday, 12 August 2023 04:24 (seven months ago) link
I was thrilled (on this episode as with others) to see the crew on the bridge functioning as a unit, contributing to tactics and functionality, instead of the typical ways that problems have been historically resolved:
1. Captain orders x to press a button2. Captain orders y to press a button3. Captain orders z to press a button4. Captain gets frustrated, doesn’t ask for help5. Spock/Data/Wesley offers a solution
― Snoopy is a cat, who lives in a cage (flamboyant goon tie included), Saturday, 12 August 2023 23:55 (seven months ago) link
1.1 (visual representation of astronomical phenomenon roughly the size of a golf ball at a 20-meter distance)1.2 enhance!
― mookieproof, Sunday, 13 August 2023 03:09 (seven months ago) link
xpost Yeah that absolutely struck me as well, this last episode showcased the idea of a team functioning and everyone doing their roles to the best they could depending on where they found themselves. Smart!
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 August 2023 03:14 (seven months ago) link
Catching up and the episode with the Klingon general was totally a M.A.S.H ep
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Sunday, 13 August 2023 05:06 (seven months ago) link
pretty sure that hawkeye never butchered his (enemies)? can't quite speak to him dealing with a half-assed yet righteous defector, although TNG did
― mookieproof, Sunday, 13 August 2023 05:15 (seven months ago) link
Detailed interview with SNW cinematographer Benji Bakshi.https://filmmakermagazine.com/122716-interview-cinematographer-benji-bakshi-star-trek-strange-new-worlds/
― Elvis Telecom, Friday, 1 September 2023 05:56 (six months ago) link
this is cool but also i don't think 'Each Episode is Like Its Own Movie' is really what people want?
i mean i would happily take shittier graphics or whatever for 15-20 episodes rather than ten
― mookieproof, Friday, 1 September 2023 06:16 (six months ago) link
same with 'foundation' et al
bottle shows can be good
― mookieproof, Friday, 1 September 2023 06:41 (six months ago) link
I agree, but also one of the things I love about this show is how lush it looks. I am tired of all my shows (Warrior, Perry Mason, even the SATC reboot) deteriorating to the point where they don't even have full-room sets, and everything is just people standing on a tiny set in front of a shitty green screen. Strange New Worlds has somehow always managed to look expensive, and I do want an element of that. Some sort of happy medium.
― trishyb, Friday, 1 September 2023 08:57 (six months ago) link
Trying to imagine this show with TNG/Voyager's "fluorescent office lighting" cinematography.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 1 September 2023 09:02 (six months ago) link
Yeah it looks gorge and that’s part of the appeal for me.
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 1 September 2023 09:03 (six months ago) link
Absolutely agreed on this. It’s remarkable and great.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 1 September 2023 12:34 (six months ago) link
pike's hair is of course the most impressive special effect but the rest of it isn't far off, the quality of the cg often surpasses movie-quality - it's a remarkable achievement on a tv budget
still not entirely sold on the shiny black bridge tho tbh, doesn't feel properly trek in a way that the rest of the show absolutely does
― come on barbo let’s go parpo (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 1 September 2023 12:45 (six months ago) link
maybe they’ll have an episode where they install carpet on the bridge
― mh, Friday, 1 September 2023 13:14 (six months ago) link
it's the one move the gorn couldn't possibility anticipate
― come on barbo let’s go parpo (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 1 September 2023 13:40 (six months ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5yysJ6XkAABk73.jpg:small
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 12 September 2023 05:40 (six months ago) link
I...didn't expect this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txQqpGr1qQw
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 13 September 2023 21:03 (six months ago) link
The other one before it ("Skin a Cat") is also hilariously stupid.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 23:39 (six months ago) link
skin a cat was v silly but it made me lol
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 14 September 2023 00:19 (six months ago) link
Same!
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 14 September 2023 02:08 (six months ago) link
Only recently finished this season and Leee OTM - though I thought less of the borg than of Alien and the millions of video game monster races inspired by same, also designed to be killed without moral compunction.
SNW is without a doubt the best of the current Trek series but there's a certain militaristic streak that wasn't there as much in older Trek, despite the navvy structures and etc. Just a general development in American genre stories maybe.
― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 14 September 2023 10:02 (six months ago) link
The tape warble on the opening animated theme is a great touch, tho I think the frame-dropping is the only retro element they didn’t quite land.
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Thursday, 14 September 2023 15:48 (six months ago) link
True, the direct antecedent of SNW-Gorn are the xenomorphs. What really struck me is that killed a juvenile and I expected some kind of on-screen hand-wringing -- but no, I don't think that ever happened.
On the militaristic thing, it's always been there, albeit sporadically -- and I hate to say it but DS9 probably established SF-as-a-military in wider Trek.
― The Banshees of Ed Sheeran (Leee), Thursday, 14 September 2023 17:36 (six months ago) link
Yeah it's always been in the mix but I feel like it's encroached more and more. One difference is I think the almost total focus on the trauma of war as experienced by "our guys", with the other side usually reduced to an anonymous threat. Ds9 still cared far more for its Cardassian characters, and even for the Jem Hadar.
― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 14 September 2023 17:41 (six months ago) link
Yeah, DS9 was really good at the whole horrors of battle thing, with what happened to Nog and Kira's war trauma and Garak's dark past as a possible torturer/assasin (??). I feel like in DISCO and SNW the baddies are often pretty one-dimensional and "bad". Like OK there was mirror Lorca and Georgiou, but they're neither of them a Dukat.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 14 September 2023 23:18 (six months ago) link
And its prob been said here many times but that is the problem with modern TV! Shows don't get a chance to fucking flesh out characters. We barely had time to grow fond of Hemmer and then he was gone. I can't even REMEMBER that character in Disco that appeared and disappeared within like 2 episodes.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 14 September 2023 23:20 (six months ago) link
pic.twitter.com/rR60zfkZ78— Star Trek Minus Context (@NoContextTrek) October 3, 2023
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 3 October 2023 07:11 (five months ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzR5KOilk8c
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 20 March 2024 12:34 (one week ago) link