A Thread about the film JFK

luka/aimless: I think that point has been made on here too, that Costner's blandness is a necessary foil to all the craziness. I've compared him to the Martin Milner character in Sweet Smell of Success; Diane Keaton in the two Godfathers might be another parallel, especially the second, where she's seemingly there to explain stuff we've already figured out.

Would Godfather II be hurt by her absence? I don't think so--I think it'd be an even greater film with a less bland Kay.

ed asner shd have played garrison (on stilts perhaps since i believe garrison was a beanpole of a man): the milquetoast niceman persona we get is as exhausting after like five seconds as it's implausible (he's a new orleans district attorney ffs)

costner's first line -- when he's told kennedy's been shot -- is like "oh no" in just the weediest squeakiest way. of course some of the problem is that stone has zero sense of humour -- a garrison who was darkly funny abt all this absurd stuff (instead of a nerdily credulous exposition-robot) might have actually been an adequate foil

also more shd have been made of the jacques tati pipe-and-umbrella combo, it's right there and then it's just thrown away (in conclusion jacques tati shd have directed this film, being ten years dead is no bar to it being better than stone's film)

the milquetoast niceman persona we get is as exhausting after like five seconds as it's implausible (he's a new orleans district attorney ffs)

Yes. Remember "I took nine judges on, Deano, right here in New Orleans, and I beat 'em all!"?

I was looking for a today-in-history to talk about with a grade 8 class this morning, and it's the 50th anniversary of Hoover's death. (65th anniversary of Joe McCarthy's.) Hoover's quite prominent in Nixon, of course; can't remember how often he's referenced in JFK.

Monsieur Hulot stumbling into a Clay Shaw sex party would've been a fabulous movie.

"Hulot's a real butch john. You'd meet him on the street, you'd never snap. You could go fishing with him, play poker with him, you'd never snap in a million years!"

lol at all the conspirators who "speak five languages" -- not six, not four, but five, evidently the number that most impresses our oliver

Knows phil-lo-so-fee.

Conspiracy theorists consider four or five groups, alone or in combination, to be the primary suspects in the assassination of Kennedy: the CIA,[313][314] the military-industrial complex,[313][314] organized crime,[313][314][315] the government of Cuba led by Fidel Castro,[314][315][316] and Cuban exiles.[314] Other domestic individuals, groups, or organizations implicated in various conspiracy theories include Lyndon Johnson,[316][314][315] George H. W. Bush,[314][315] Sam Giancana,[316] Carlos Marcello,[317] J. Edgar Hoover,[315] Earl Warren,[316] the Federal Bureau of Investigation,[314] the United States Secret Service,[314][315] the John Birch Society,[314][315] and far-right wealthy Texans.[314] Some other alleged foreign conspirators includes, the KGB and Nikita Khrushchev,[316][314] Aristotle Onassis,[315] the government of South Vietnam,[318] and international drug lords,[314] including a French heroin syndicate.[318]

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thats right

words david ferrie did not say in the early to mid-1960s: "wannabe"

"i could give you a false name, but i won't, just call me X" lol im sorry that is also a false name in my opinion

if you wannabe my lover
u gotta shoot up my friends

garrison (squeaky with horror at the chaotic info-dump that agent "X" just unloaded on him): "i can't believe they killed him bcz he wanted to *change* things!"
me (squeaky with exhaustion even tho im watching this dumb movie in half-hour stretches): "yeah they didn't u colossal nincompoop"
agent "X" (not real name apparently): long section late in (longer) info-dump explaining how robert macnamara of all ppl lol was undermining the drive to war

sutherland is fun to watch of course but his character -- this unflappably amused and cynical aristocratic deep throat -- makes no sense (yes i know he's based on fletcher prouty, and yeah, 30 years later prouty does come across more like this in affect on youtube and wherever)

agent "X" (not real name apparently): "you've become a significant threat to the national security structure! they'd have killed you already bit you've gotta lotta light on you!"
me (eyes rolling down the back mf my head and along the floor): "unlike president john f kennedy in dallas who no one was paying to attention or had even heard of really"
narrator: "he had not become a significant threat to the national security structure"

words david ferrie did not say in the early to mid-1960s: "wannabe"

― mark s, Tuesday, May 3, 2022 6:09 PM (yesterday)

online etymology dictionary traces this one to 1981. clearly david ferrie was sent back in time by the true murderers to throw us off the trail.

lol ffs the weepy strings on this scene

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not gnna lie i wanna see the plays clay shaw wrote

was really not prepared to find out why people were talking about Jar Jar Binks and JFK

— Sarah Jones (@onesarahjones) May 4, 2022

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divorce him liz he isn't worth it, get out and save yrself

lol this domestic squabble is Q-pilling me to see this movie as verhoeven-level irony

need someone to shop showgirls and jfk into the same poster tbrr

Don't ever let me watch a movie sitting next to mark s.

its true i talk non-stop and take pix wth my phone and post them on the internet

but dont worry i will never let you do that

do not forget your dying king, mark!

nothing u say can ruin my enjoyment of this movie

What if no one shot JFK and his head just did that?

— Tom Broome-Jones | Black Lives Matter (@TBroomey) August 3, 2017

more champagne!

"sutherland is fun to watch" is part of the key here. Facts and logic will ofc destroy a lot of what he is saying (though not all - war driving growth is a powerful aspect, what with the industry and networks built around defence -- all the way up to billions in contracting in Afghanistan). but it's all delivery, coupled with the hard to believe fact that a lone person could've killed the most powerful person in the world. Sutherland's monologue is a sorta cry for their lot not being as good as they think they are, and the damage of that knowledge.

Around the fourth or fifth time of watching I get round to thinking people can win. Maybe in the end we could get out of this prison.

back on my bullshit = being correct abt how dumb and bad this movie is

now watching the last hour (i had to take a big time out from the nonsense one week ago): back in to discover johnny carson was also in on the fix, literally the only person not in the conspiracy was garrison bcz he's so milkily annoying

i do remember exactly where i was when i heard the news of rfk's assassination: i was at the kitchen table in a little welsh farmhouse where we went every year for our summer holiday, listening to dad's little portable radio… tho all i remember is sounds of muffled shouting and chaos, like the bbc radio new was broadcasting live from the scene

i also remember that this occurred during the broadcast on the same radio -- which i listened to at the same kitchen table -- of the moon landing: as my memory has it, it went "giant step for mankind", muffled shouting, shots, chaos…

stone shd make a movie abt THAT when sirhan sirhan gets out, sirhan can play buzz aldrin

tommy lee jones shd wear this wig in all his movies tbf

^ that's right (for a change)

feel like this summing up (which doesn't once mention clay shaw) is not going to do the work of convicting clay shaw

not guilty (good verdict)

Can we please go back to posting random bits of dialogue now that Mark S is done watching?

Best movie ever.

Can we do them from memory, though?

Kevin Costner: what I’m saying is that in order for the government’s theory about the assassination of JFK, née John Fitzgerald Kennedy, our nation’s favorite son, to make sense, we must prescribe to what i am calling Magic Bullet Time theory, which is actually quite interesting if true. Roll the footage

The government's gonna jump all over your head, mark, and go "cock-a-doodle-doo!" Good day, sir!

Costner: I don’t like the looks of this one bit. Let’s put some grits on the iron and keep the coffee coming honey, there’s gonna be some paperwork filed tonight

xp That's what I mean.

That is precisely the point of a loooong JFK thread.

this Oswald character, I agree that he must have been involved. But here's the thing -- I don't think he acted alone.

It's JFK's fault.

i wrote about a specific style of fandom-led conspiracy thinking that has become quietly quite popular over the last 10 years and is now making its highly public debut! https://t.co/hpZpqmGR6J

— Kaitlyn Tiffany (@kait_tiffany) May 17, 2022

xyzzzz ain't got no reason to lie, he already in ILX!

When you’re taking about the greatness of John Candy, never sleep on his role in JFK: “The government’s gonna jump all over your head, Jimbo, and go cock-a-doodle-doo.” pic.twitter.com/3XgLh6Mrzr

— Super 70s Sports (@Super70sSports) May 18, 2022

"Ya got the right ta-ta but the wrong ho-ho" may be the greatest line in movie history.

stop eatin' that crab meat and listen!

like i told the fbi: that call was a figment of my imagination!