i generally tend to err on the side of players want to play, within reason--the issue is that our current schedule has 20 superfluous games
― call all destroyer, Monday, 25 April 2022 03:16 (two years ago) link
so whats the perfect number of games in a season to guarantee peak performance? 10? 12? 3? and how will players bodies & juice regimes change to suit that number?
― micah, Monday, 25 April 2022 03:18 (two years ago) link
its 58
― lag∞n, Monday, 25 April 2022 03:20 (two years ago) link
xp "peak performance" and "meaningful regular season" are two different frames so i think we're talking past each other
― call all destroyer, Monday, 25 April 2022 03:22 (two years ago) link
well thats kind of my point, i think the league needs to incentivise being available to play over stars playing at their peak in the few games they do play
― micah, Monday, 25 April 2022 03:24 (two years ago) link
then listen to lebron--give time for recovery between games and stars will play
― call all destroyer, Monday, 25 April 2022 03:31 (two years ago) link
yeah its just not that simple haha
― micah, Monday, 25 April 2022 03:59 (two years ago) link
stars rest because they’re tired but they also rest (as directed by their teams) out of risk mitigation. and the way front offices view sports now, i don’t know if that changes if you reduce the schedule. this is partly why adam silver keeps going on about the midseason tournament — trying to create meaning beyond the one championship given out per year might give players more reason to play in non-playoff games — but i don’t think they have the right solution yet. making front offices care about regular season games is a more complicated issue than just shortening the schedule
― J0rdan S., Monday, 25 April 2022 04:21 (two years ago) link
yeah totes
― micah, Monday, 25 April 2022 04:38 (two years ago) link
Really the first order of business that would prob improve things enough without drastically changing revenue for owners is to get rid of back to backs, then go from there.
― jammin on the dud (Spottie), Monday, 25 April 2022 06:25 (two years ago) link
They are never going to meaningfully reduce the number of games in the era of TV contracts, CBAs and salary caps as that would require people (owners AND players) deciding to take less money. Could they go from 82 to 78? Sure. They aren't going to 72 or 58 or anything like that. They are more likely to go to 86 somehow (more ins, in-season tourney, whatever) than 76 imo.
― we only steal from the greatest books (PBKR), Monday, 25 April 2022 12:21 (two years ago) link
i think they could do it, the money is def an issue but the quality of the game is too, the national tv money which is the biggest single source would be unaffected fwiw since thats for a relatively small percentage of the total games anyway, where they would take a hit is local tv and stadium revenue
― lag∞n, Monday, 25 April 2022 13:07 (two years ago) link
wld be funny if they did the in season tournament and everyone just took the opportunity to rest their guys
― lag∞n, Monday, 25 April 2022 13:22 (two years ago) link
Like baseball, I think owners (and to some extent players) don't ultimately care about the quality of the game v. wrenching every last dollar they can out of their investment.
― we only steal from the greatest books (PBKR), Monday, 25 April 2022 13:32 (two years ago) link
a higher quality game makes them more money tho, obvs you cant guarantee theyre going to connect the dots eg mlb, but its not impossible
― lag∞n, Monday, 25 April 2022 13:52 (two years ago) link
the game is v high quality rn though isn’t it? the regular season used to be way snoozier. you could argue the reason for so many injuries is that guys are actually playing like they care for more minutes than they used to
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 25 April 2022 14:32 (two years ago) link
i think resting players particularly in big reg season matchups is a legitimate problem, and the league agrees in that they already tried to address it, granted in a totally ineffective way, basically when a casual fan tunes into a sunday abc game you want all the guys there, you want a really good game, thats how you bring people back
― lag∞n, Monday, 25 April 2022 14:37 (two years ago) link
yeah the quality game to game is decent but the stars not playing drags things down quite a bit. the end of the season has gotten a bit better with the 7-10 seeds being what they are but you do still see a lot of guys get shut down.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 25 April 2022 14:53 (two years ago) link
yeah kudos to the league the playin tourney is working as planned, to decrease tanking, and the games have even been exciting which is a nice bonus, im sure theyll keep working on solving the resting issue but i kinda doubt theres as easy of a solution out there
― lag∞n, Monday, 25 April 2022 15:01 (two years ago) link
guess one thing is they could do lengthen the season again, which addresses the games too close together issue if not the too many games one
― lag∞n, Monday, 25 April 2022 15:02 (two years ago) link
― lag∞n, Monday, April 25, 2022 8:01 AM (forty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
add in that one of the lower teams that got in via the play in is giving the #1 seed a handful
― jammin on the dud (Spottie), Monday, 25 April 2022 15:47 (two years ago) link
the play-in has definitely worked better than i thought mostly due to the upward pressure to be the 6 seed.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 25 April 2022 18:30 (two years ago) link
yeah ive come around on the play in but dont think i will ever like the mid season tourney idea
― ciderpress, Monday, 25 April 2022 18:38 (two years ago) link
getting rid of back to backs is my main thing thats the source of the most rest days afaict, also just generally a bummer when your team is playing without rest vs a team that is rested
― ciderpress, Monday, 25 April 2022 18:40 (two years ago) link
a higher quality game makes them more money tho
much as I'd like to think is true, I don't believe this. the committed fans will watch the regular season because it's still the highest quality hoops in the world (outside of the nba playoffs) and casuals can't appreciate differences in quality and don't really care.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 25 April 2022 18:59 (two years ago) link
ciderpress otm, it’s not fair and also probably the biggest cause of resting guys(citation needed)
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 25 April 2022 19:02 (two years ago) link
how feasible is it to eliminate back-to-backs? MSG, for example, is booked pretty full in winter and i have no idea who gets first crack at the dates they want
if back-to-backs are necessary another possibility would be playing two-game sets. it doesn't give bodies time to recover, but eliminating the need for travel in between would surely be a bonus (and fewer overall trips would save teams on travel expenses)
― mookieproof, Monday, 25 April 2022 20:30 (two years ago) link
Answer is to fold the Knicks.
― Carnegie Felon (Leee), Monday, 25 April 2022 20:48 (two years ago) link
finally
League discussed update on the “transition take foul” during its General Managers meeting in Chicago today. There was widespread support in meeting, as conversations have been ongoing among the NBA, NBPA and Competition Committee over the past several months. https://t.co/TZnkcWcYLD— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) May 17, 2022
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 May 2022 22:33 (one year ago) link
ok that’s good
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 18 May 2022 00:31 (one year ago) link
also announced they are moving towards the in season tourney. reallllllly interested to see whats proposed here
― Spottie, Wednesday, 18 May 2022 00:39 (one year ago) link
ok that's bad
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 18 May 2022 00:51 (one year ago) link
the play in worked so they earned it but itll prob be dumb, as long as they dont make it affect playoff seeding or whatever i dont really care maybe itll be fun who knows
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 18 May 2022 00:53 (one year ago) link
yes more games what we need is more games
― k3vin k., Monday, 23 May 2022 04:27 (one year ago) link
The NBA is changing the take foul rule for summer leagues in San Francisco, Utah and Las Vegas -- one free throw, plus the ball, for transition take fouls.Likely a precursor to what's coming to the NBA. Board of Governors expected to make the final change later this month.— Tim Reynolds (@ByTimReynolds) July 1, 2022
― Spottie, Friday, 1 July 2022 22:11 (one year ago) link
the play-in is here to stay. wonder if theyll find a place to put the stats?
ESPN Sources: NBA’s Board of Governors is expected on Tuesday to approve the Play-In Tournament as a regular part of future league seasons. The Play-In had been voted on a year-to-year basis in past two seasons, but support exists to turn it into annual element of NBA structure.— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) July 11, 2022
― Spottie, Monday, 11 July 2022 21:12 (one year ago) link
nice
The NBA Board of Governors have approved the "Transition Take Foul rule" this rule would award the offensive team with one free throw and retain possession, Per @ShamsCharania pic.twitter.com/pQsc2VccsY— ClutchPoints (@ClutchPointsApp) July 13, 2022
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 13 July 2022 01:07 (one year ago) link
Bless
― Spottie, Wednesday, 13 July 2022 02:45 (one year ago) link
Harden currently in the lab trying to figure out a way to game it in his favor
― Spottie, Wednesday, 13 July 2022 02:47 (one year ago) link
CP3 was already good at drawing those, he's gonna be out of control this season
― symsymsym, Wednesday, 13 July 2022 02:50 (one year ago) link
this would be interesting
One of the best basketball leagues in the world, the ACB in Spain, is testing a new rule this season. When inbounding the ball in the backcourt the referees no longer need to have control of the ball first. (For the first 38 minutes of the game). pic.twitter.com/S4xJN3bfPG— Dionysis Aravantinos (@AravantinosDA) September 21, 2022
― Spottie, Wednesday, 21 September 2022 21:06 (one year ago) link
love it
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 21 September 2022 21:25 (one year ago) link
would likely lead to +/- 5 on-court heart attacks each year
― “Cheeky cheeky!” she trills, nearly demolishing a roadside post (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 21 September 2022 21:35 (one year ago) link
NBA rules change this season to limit prolonged standing of bench players/coaches and crowding of sideline. Warning first. Then delay-of-game warning. Then technical. Unsportsmanlike technical assessed for players not in game who enter playing court or making "distracting" move.— Ira Winderman (@IraHeatBeat) September 23, 2022
theoretically good seems like something that will never be enforced tho
― lag∞n, Friday, 23 September 2022 18:56 (one year ago) link
So the Celtics bench always stands until their first basket, but the refs just held up play to tell all of them to sit down and get out of the way lol— Jared Weiss (@JaredWeissNBA) October 5, 2022
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 October 2022 23:44 (one year ago) link
seems like drafting high schoolers might not actually happen
Agents have no interest in guaranteeing full NBA combine participation or giving up control of players' medicals -- the only real leverage they have currently in steering clients away from undesirable franchises with poor track records for player development. NBPA members say they see little benefit to allowing a new class of teenagers to come in and take roster spots from veterans. And NBA executives are openly dreading the idea of returning to high school gyms and being forced to make career-altering decisions with limited information at their disposal. Sources say the union is indicating that in order to give Adam Silver -- who is the clear-cut driving force behind the elimination of the age limit -- what he desires in collective bargaining agreement negotiations in 2024, they expect to receive major financial concessions from team owners in exchange for this bargaining chip, something that may not be attractive to franchises since many believe that making the league even younger will water down the talent level. The fact that college basketball's biggest stars are now able to earn six- and seven-figure deals thanks to name, image and likeness deals softens some of the ethical concerns some had regarding preventing teenagers from earning a living when there is clearly a significant market for their services.
https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/34775143/lessons-learned-team-usa-junior-national-team-mini-camp-cam-boozer-going-really-good
adam silver and... condoleezza rice are maybe the only ones who really want to do it
Silver himself admitted that, in the past, he favored increasing the age limit to 20, in theory meaning players would spend two years between high school and the NBA. But, after seeing how things have evolved over time -- including, he said, the proliferation of NIL deals and "a lot of societal changes," and the recommendations of the NCAA committee led by Condoleezza Rice on the subject -- he has changed his mind.
"It may be the case that it's in all of our interests that we start impacting with these young players, especially because in our sport they are identified at such a young age," Silver said, "and begin working with them on their development then, not just basketball skills but increasingly there's a focus on their mental health, their diets, just helping them build character and all of the important values around the sport."
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34233695/nba-stiffens-penalty-transition-take-foul-approves-permanent-play-tournament
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 12 October 2022 13:58 (one year ago) link
seems like silver is looking at it from a development perspective which is prob the way in which it makes sense no 18 year old is really good enough to be in the nba, maybe lebron idk
if you took the development pov to its rational conclusion what you would have imo is not drafting high school kids but rather euro soccer style academies, which is prob best from the pov of the players having basketball careers, there is the question of whether they have childhoods but most of these top players are so deep in the basketball system already its more offering them a better system than the typical aau prep schools weird quasi agent guys hanging around
particularly these guys just playing a million games is not great for their bodies and can cause injury issues, just giving them access to professional trainers, nutrition etc would be a huge plus, not playing so many games, focusing on skills development and so forth
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 12 October 2022 14:08 (one year ago) link
i support the change to 18 on principle but otoh it’s possible the current system is….fine? not perfect but good enough?
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 12 October 2022 14:19 (one year ago) link
i feel far less passionate about this subject now that there’s stuff like g league ignite & NIL etc. as a fan i’m not dying to accelerate the timeline on these kids by one year, i don’t see how it would change the viewing experience in any real wayi’m kinda surprised that silver is so passionate about this… ignite seems like a real success and i think for the league there is a benefit to players like zion, trae, scoot, wembanyama etc cultivating stardom for a year before entering the league
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 12 October 2022 14:24 (one year ago) link
yeah i dont think drafting 18 year old is really good for anyone except maybe the players, from a purely entertainment standpoint having players do two years of college would prob be the best cause theyd be better and more famous by the time they hit the league, and itd be better for the college game, of course there are so many non college options now so its a little different, but thats not going to happen anyway
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 12 October 2022 14:26 (one year ago) link