Echo & the bunnymen: Classic or Dud?

Will Sergeant is about to do a City Lights THird Man books webinar alongside Bobby Gillespie. Not sure if there is a Facebook feed but there has been before.

I saw Ian McCulloch in concert once, about 20 years ago. I thought it would make me appreciate Echo and the Bunnymen, but it didn't. I do like Seven Seas, though. That song seems very romantic in a Morrissey kind of way—very operatic (probably because it sounds like 'O sole mio).

There are a slew of alternative acts from that 80s that all had these Mixolydian songs that all blend together in my mind: The Cutter, Lips Like Sugar and many others by Echo and the Bunnymen; also Primitive Painters by Felt (who I otherwise like), She Sells Sanctuary by the Cult, Uncertain Smile by The The, and I'm sure there are others I can't think of right now. I was an adolescent when the 90s alternative thing hit, and sometimes a DJ would come on the radio and start playing records from when he was in college, and it would always be one of these records. I have a bad association with them but I don't exactly know why.

Speaking of Seven Seas: is this the origin of the Tortoise track title "The Taut and Tame"? Ian McCulloch says this in the lyric. Or, is this a phrase or reference to something else that I'm just not familiar with?

these Mixolydian songs that all blend together in my mind

That's unusual! Do you have problems with ♭VII chords outside of 80s alternative?

is this the origin of the Tortoise track title "The Taut and the Tame"

That was my assumption.

I thought those City Lights talks turned up on youtube shortly afterwards. Not seeing it appear yet but it is Will Sargeant, Bobby Gillespie and a couple of other talking heads talking together about recently published memoirs.
Goad to hear that Sargeant already has the next section underway since the first book ends before the first lp.
Lasted about an hour and 10 minutes.

Do you have problems with ♭VII chords outside of 80s alternative?

Nope, it's mostly just in that context. It doesn't bother me in Krautrock, or 60s Psychedelia, or Post Rock, or in an Indian Raga. But if I hear "Perfect Skin" by Lloyd Cole it makes me cringe a little.

Buh buh bite the nose off and make it the most of

SWUNG FROM A CHANDALIER

Couldn't cut the muuuuuustarrrrrd

Rolo McGinty remembers Pete de Freitas on the anniversary of his passing.

https://www.facebook.com/rolo.mcginty/posts/pfbid02Lx9ozR8uVgYLX6bAKKzaVvD5vsLTGCwmqqhLrQCr2s8tnpcAknkAfPTuVmay9R7xl

Well well. Per Echo's social media:

We have just posted what I think is maybe the greatest live film of Echo and the Bunnymen over on our YouTube channel.
Filmed live at Zeche Bochum, Germany, March the 5th 1983 during the Porcupine European Tour.
Broadcasted by Westdeutscher Rundfunk (WDR) in the Rockpalast TV programme.

1 Going Up
2 With A Hip
3 Gods Will Be Gods
4 Show Of Strength
5 Zimbo (All My Colours)
6 The Cutter
7 Rescue
8 My White Devil
9 Porcupine
10 Crocodiles
11 All That Jazz
12 The Back Of Love
13 Heads Will Roll
14 Heaven Up Here
15 Over The Wall
16 Do It Clean
17 Villiers Terrace
18 No Dark Things
19 A Promise

And here it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5krHYQ6SxkM

first part of will's biography is 99p on amazon uk this month

ian on sky arts' Great Songwriters this week (last week). very fidgety and rambling but always entertaining.

likes cryptic crosswords, doesn't get Only Connect though.

odd choice of songs though (killing moon, dancing horses, proud to fall, unstoppable force)

Steinbeck et al, they just wrote novels, they don't have to sing them...

I think the second volume of Will's bio comes out very soon.

The way Will describes the current dynamics of the band makes me feel sad, he comes across as quite enervated by the whole business.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FoIifB2Ylk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1QFubPHyZc

i had that (glasto 85) as a bootleg, bought during my first week at university from a guy selling them in the students Union building. they do, iirc, it's all over now baby blue, she cracked, paint it black

(oh, track listing right there...)

the Crystal Days box has versions of those, and more, from Swedish radio. don't know if the glasto versions ever saw an official release.

I can't help it, that Peel Session song "No Hands" is the gothiest thing ever. Beautiful and amen. Listen to the bass. I'll never recover. That is absolutely the most beautifully goth thing I've ever heard. Oh my god, make it stop. That is going to fuck with my head all night.
Too much goth. Too much.

― think you're a fookin' bat, eh? (Bimble), Saturday, February 7, 2009 6:25 AM (fifteen years ago)

bimble otm, but it's not too much. i just heard this song for the first time earlier this week, listening to the peel sessions collection from a few years back. when "no hands" came on i immediately tried to figure out which album it was from and how i had missed it before. but it's only on that session, i think, the january 1982 peel session, i think? it rules

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSd36N5rBg8

I had that Glasto / Swedish radio bootleg, too -- so good!

There's only one, pitifully short and tangential Wild Swans thread on ILM, but I thought it worth mentioning here that I'm halfway through Paul Simpson's memoir and it's pretty enjoyable so far.