It's easier to go the back way -- take the stairs to the left once you unlock the tunnel, then you just have to run past that first group of enemies and the one Burger King sorcerer.
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, 22 April 2022 17:16 (two years ago) link
I had the same type of huge one day run in the story at the same point dog latin was (post academy/liurnia), but that was around the time I finally chose to throw all of my smithing stones into the great epee and gloveworts into the shield bro guys. Once I did that I could really steamroll things in the way that I couldn't before
― Bongo Jongus, Friday, 22 April 2022 17:27 (two years ago) link
I killed the Farum Azula knight, the most nerve-wracking fight in the game thus far, and made the mistake of going straight through the fog only to be confronted by the Beast Clergyman with no Estus, you can guess the rest
― Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Friday, 22 April 2022 18:00 (two years ago) link
Oh, I guess that's not the knight I was thinking of, since I haven't seen the Beast Clergyman around here.
I was talking about the one before you enter Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds, followed by Dragonlord Placidusax etc..
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, 22 April 2022 18:17 (two years ago) link
Oh, unless you're talking about the knight on the horse similar to the Tree Sentinel, I haven't gone back to him yet.
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, 22 April 2022 18:19 (two years ago) link
lol I didn't realize the rooftop path over the Raya Lucaria was leading me in a big circle. I kept getting torched by the flamethrower crossbow guy at the end of the big hall so thought "I'll just explore the lower level of this building, surely there's something cool down there." I got excited to find a site of grace and then as soon as I rested, realized it was the same site of grace I started from a week ago.
― na (NA), Friday, 22 April 2022 19:26 (two years ago) link
I do wish the map was more useful when you're in areas like Raya Lucaria, even zoomed in they don't really seem to relate to what's actually there that well.
― na (NA), Friday, 22 April 2022 19:27 (two years ago) link
The load screen on PS5 is a snap of the fingers, you don't even notice it. The load screens on PS4 (which generously include some Witcher 3-style play tip splashes) are long enough to be noticeable and annoying over time. About the same number of seconds as a load screen (on PS5) into online play.
― a legible shriek (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 22 April 2022 20:31 (two years ago) link
Fgti, that sounds fun, I've never done a no-leveling challenge in any of these games. The closest I've come is advancing to mid or late game areas on a character I'm trying to keep at a low level for invasions, in order to get some weapon or piece of gear.
That's mainly why I'm doing it! My plan was to enjoy doing some 1v2 invasions at low level with the full benefit of late-game talismans and armour choices. I restarted and did my muling and then had an "oh, right" moment as I'd forgotten that you start the game with only one talisman option. So, I started progressing through the game at my low level with +0 weapons with the intention of, at least, getting as far as beating Golden Shade Godfrey for a complete set of talisman pouches.
Haven't beaten that Godfrey just yet, he is a chore at low level. His floor stomp requires immediate flask recovery if you get hit, and any axe hits are one-hit death. He's immune to everything, too, which makes my solutions limited
― a legible shriek (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 22 April 2022 20:35 (two years ago) link
The load screens on PS4 (which generously include some Witcher 3-style play tip splashes)
PS5 doesn't even show the tips because there's not enough time to read them
i feel like i'm reading on papyrus over here
― Karl Malone, Friday, 22 April 2022 21:16 (two years ago) link
Maliketh down! Turns out that doing Volcano Manor eventually results in an item that makes this fight much easier and more fun (although I'm not sure if you can get it without doing VM, or certain portions of it). Must be getting near the end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxR40HjdvCg
― change display name (Jordan), Saturday, 23 April 2022 14:42 (two years ago) link
No, YOU'RE beautiful
― a legible shriek (flamboyant goon tie included), Saturday, 23 April 2022 22:36 (two years ago) link
i just lost 42K+ runes :(
still, i'm LVL69 and making steady progress. i think i even found the foot of the volcanic manor? was immediately way outleveled, backed off
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 23 April 2022 22:38 (two years ago) link
Wow, can't believe how things are speeding to a conclusion here.
One more for the day, I thought the WWF superstar fight actually ended up being really fun, especially once I got a consistent phase 1 strat.
(obviously please ignore these if you're avoiding spoilers)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNGanyegGUE
― change display name (Jordan), Saturday, 23 April 2022 23:22 (two years ago) link
I beat Radahn! I finally feel like i’m getting somewhere. Does anyone else feel bad having to kill the viking dudes in Nokron btw? They’re just strolling about singing and herding sheep it feels wrong somehow.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 25 April 2022 11:52 (two years ago) link
yeah, killing them and the giants the latter of whom are obviously the slave caste makes me feel bad :-(
― Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Monday, 25 April 2022 12:01 (two years ago) link
theres a spot by moghwyns palace with tons of albinaurics just chilling out, you want to leave them alone but they drop 2k runes each, my murderous greed bums me out
― adam, Monday, 25 April 2022 12:43 (two years ago) link
I feel bad killing darn near everyone in this game. Especially now that I'm at the Haligtree, which if I understand the lore correctly, is supposed to be a safe haven for all the weirdos cast out by the Golden Order? I'm like "why am I murdering all these Misbegotten who are just trying to chill out at Scary Lothlorien"
― feed me with your chips (zchyrs), Monday, 25 April 2022 13:54 (two years ago) link
This game is so sad :(
― feed me with your chips (zchyrs), Monday, 25 April 2022 13:56 (two years ago) link
do they remember their countless brutal murders at your hands as they are reborn again and again?
― adam, Monday, 25 April 2022 14:08 (two years ago) link
they sure don't act like it, with all these backstabs I'm getting
― feed me with your chips (zchyrs), Monday, 25 April 2022 14:12 (two years ago) link
I'm such a monster
― feed me with your chips (zchyrs), Monday, 25 April 2022 14:13 (two years ago) link
Looking up at you with their big dumb eyes...
Well, I did it, it's done. Wasn't a huge fan of the final boss(es), but oh well. Immediately started up a new Prisoner character to start the level 40 invader build, and of course everything goes so much faster. Magic is fun too, it turns out.
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 25 April 2022 14:21 (two years ago) link
Congrats Trayce! That's great, you're definitely on your way now.
Nokron is definitely good at making you feel like an intruder.
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 25 April 2022 14:22 (two years ago) link
yeah i feel bad attacking any of the dudes who don't go after you unless you attack them first. all those poor miner guys mining smithing stones or whatever.
i'm a little stuck on a rennala, which is annoying bc it seems like she should be easy. i think i'll be able to knock her out pretty soon though. i haven't had much playing time recently.
― na (NA), Monday, 25 April 2022 14:58 (two years ago) link
Rennala is a little tough at first, but the learning curve on her is pretty easy. The most useful thing is in phase 2 to ignore her summons entirely because they vanish after a few seconds. Also, I think her summons are random and some of them are easier to avoid than others, so a certain amount of luck is involved.
― feed me with your chips (zchyrs), Monday, 25 April 2022 15:01 (two years ago) link
xp the miners are a good example! They may be weird inter-galactic crystalline entities but they are mercilessly slave-driven by their prawn overseers, and don't deserve to be clubbed over the head by a presumptuous Tarnished
― Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Monday, 25 April 2022 15:02 (two years ago) link
I respecked yesterday. My bleed/sorcery build was incredible but I started feeling like I was cheating a bit. A few rock slings was taking down even tough bosses.
So I'm either going to work on this Strength/Faith build I've got going on or maybe look to specialise in Strength and just be a tank or maybe be a dragon dude, I dunno
― Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Monday, 25 April 2022 15:04 (two years ago) link
Btw I tried starting my new game on the PS5 version, but there was all this stutter/jitter when moving the camera around. So weird! I scrapped it and made a new file on the PS4 version (playing on PS5) and it's buttery smooth, same as the playthrough I just finished.
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 25 April 2022 15:08 (two years ago) link
Also I just realized that I forgot to turn the music back on after my Malenia fight, so I missed out on the soundtrack for all the final boss fights. Ha, no wonder it felt slightly anti-climactic.
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 25 April 2022 15:12 (two years ago) link
I ran a strength-focused build for a while and found myself well-protected (with my great shield) but that my damage output was so wimpy in comparison to my quality build (with which I won the game, Bloodhound Fang + Omen Cleaver), my DEX/ARC katana build I ran for a while, and my current DEX/FTH cold/buff powerstancing situation
I'm realizing that the advantage to strength builds (aside from the availability of great shields) seems to really be about taking advantage of the 2H stat boost. Two-handing a weapon adds 50% to your stat, so theoretically you can be dealing the same damage at 64 STR two-handed as you could at 99 STR.
I am interested in trying it out, before I became seduced by Elden Ring's power stance mechanic I was a resolute 2-handed no-shield player in Dark Souls games. I don't think I've ever run with the standard-issue greatsword and I'd be interested in trying it out for sure
― a legible shriek (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 25 April 2022 15:46 (two years ago) link
What exactly is meant by a quality build? I haven't really got my head around that aspect yet, and I suspect it's because the Moonveil I was previously using didn't need ashes of war etc on it
― Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Monday, 25 April 2022 15:53 (two years ago) link
And what about power stances?
― Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Monday, 25 April 2022 15:54 (two years ago) link
Quality build usually means equal strength and dex, can use a wide variety of weapons. Usually the damage is a bit lower than a specialized strength or dex build though.
Also strength builds got some big buffs in the most recent patch.
Power stance = using two of the same kind of weapon, one in each hand. There's a special moveset for some attacks (this was a thing in Dark Souls 2, and Elden Ring is the first time it's made a return).
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 25 April 2022 16:10 (two years ago) link
The music for the final boss is really lovely, would have definitely enhanced the experience.
On the other hand for some of the really bombastic themes, I kinda prefer the starkness of just hearing the sound fx.
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 25 April 2022 16:12 (two years ago) link
Man, trying to explain what is "a quality build" really demonstrated to me just how deeply internalized From's whole scaling mechanic has become over the past three years since I started playing their games.
Yeah, @ dog latin, a "quality build" is, in its purest form, "40 VIG, 40 STR, 40 DEX", with some points put into END, and INT/FTH/ARC essentially ignored except for minimum requirements for certain weapons and/or spells
Quality builds are great because they are super flexible, you can try out all sorts of weapons, you can use a greatshield if you desire (or bows if you desire). They generally are not as high-damage as other builds-- at least, historically this is the case, but I found my quality build in Elden Ring to be pretty damaging!
Powerstancing is as Jordan said a DS2 mechanic that has returned. All your weapons are sorted into types, try equipping two of the same type in both your left and right hands and tapping L1 a few times. You have the capacity to attack with both weapons simultaneously.
One of my favouritest little things is that you can power stance any katana with the Wakizashi dagger! So, so cool. Not really viable though... the parry on that dagger is slow and its window is brief
― a legible shriek (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 25 April 2022 16:54 (two years ago) link
ok i beat renalla lol. she was pretty easy ultimately. it has become clear to me that half the time i have problems with a boss in this it's because i'm being impatient and trying to get too many hits in at once
― na (NA), Monday, 25 April 2022 18:44 (two years ago) link
when I beat renalla she died and then .2 secs later a giant troll she summoned fell out of the sky and killed me, all the stuff was in the room when I came back tho but it was very shocking
― Bongo Jongus, Monday, 25 April 2022 18:46 (two years ago) link
I just spent a bunch of time exploring the capital city before realizing that the Caelid and Mountain areas in the northwest is probably intended to be tackled first? Getting mega xp in the capital though, it’s tempting to stay there and level up a bit. I’m at at LVL 71 now, 31 vitality. (Been pumping they ever since my last stay update, per Jordan’s advice, and it does make things quite a bit easier to have 1000 HP instead of 500!
― Karl Malone, Monday, 25 April 2022 19:05 (two years ago) link
Haha.
Some of the endgame bosses really had me telling myself "ok, you're only allowed one attack at a time, and you can only heal instead of attacking after dodging a combo", etc. But others were about waiting for the longer, more rare openings and mashing attack as much as possible before they started up again.
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 25 April 2022 19:09 (two years ago) link
Leyndell is so big and detailed, you can clear part of it and go to Mt. Gelmir wheneverI seem to remember though that Volcano Manor is kinda more difficult than anything in Leyndell proper (but easier than the sewers below)
― a legible shriek (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 25 April 2022 20:33 (two years ago) link
I got turfed into Leyndell by accident quite a while ago via a damn chest trap. Threw me onto some balcony guarded by a fire golem of some sort who I just cant kill. And wont, just yet - I want to finish the Academy boss before I do anything else now.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 25 April 2022 23:51 (two years ago) link
I just wish some areas like Leyndell would be quieter/safer so you could just relax and buy things but I know thats not the Souls way.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 25 April 2022 23:53 (two years ago) link
I had a lot of trouble with the lightning knights in Leyndell, they're real dicks, but now might be the time to go back and have another look around
― Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Tuesday, 26 April 2022 08:19 (two years ago) link
Funny, I found VM much easier than Leyndell for the most part. But I think I tried some of Leyndell first, noped out, and then went to the Mt. Gelmir region for a while. This game is so flexible and hilarious in its flexibility. I was watching a Tim Rogers stream where he builds a Samurai, decides he wants to make a sorcerer out of him instead, beelines for Carian Study Hall, gets the Carian Staff, then realizes that he has nowhere near the INT required to use it.
― feed me with your chips (zchyrs), Tuesday, 26 April 2022 12:53 (two years ago) link
Also I came back to Leyndell after doing all of the Mountaintops of the Giants to do the sewers and found them pretty tough!
― feed me with your chips (zchyrs), Tuesday, 26 April 2022 12:54 (two years ago) link
I got turfed into Leyndell by accident quite a while ago via a damn chest trap. Threw me onto some balcony guarded by a fire golem of some sort who I just cant kill. And wont, just yet - I want to finish the Academy boss before I do anything else now.― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, April 26, 2022 12:51 AM (fourteen hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, April 26, 2022 12:51 AM (fourteen hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
Ah yeah, that's one of these little "gotcha" life lessons they throw at you. I can't remember where the chest trap was but I got the same thing
― Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Tuesday, 26 April 2022 14:21 (two years ago) link
thanks for explaining Jordan and fgti!
I've just started on my journey towards a full re-spec as a "Blasphemous Beastmaster" (see Fextralife's Builds guides) whcih is a Strength / Faith build using the sword you get from Rykard. The sword deals insane damage, but I need to upgrade my weapons and especially my Clawmark Seal because my Incantations are weak AF. Tracking down those Smtihing Stones (and Deathroots) is an adventure in itself. But it's annoying when you need one specific stone and have no idea where to find it. I guess my next job is to hunt some Bell Bearing Hunters
― Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Tuesday, 26 April 2022 14:23 (two years ago) link
I only got one of those in my playthrough. I did kill a bunch of Night's Cavalry, because the bridges where they appear were pretty obvious. But if I were a good explorer I guess I would have done a lot more 'pass time until nightfall' in different areas. Especially around...shacks?
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 26 April 2022 14:46 (two years ago) link
I had a panic on completing Sellen's quest. Not sure exactly what happens to Renalla for a brief moment and then what happens after, but I'd just respecked to a slightly schonky build and worried I wouldn't be able to change again
― Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Tuesday, 26 April 2022 14:51 (two years ago) link