WHOCHURCH: The Chris Chibnall era

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I kind of didn't care about this while I was watching it and then I saw the cameos for the next episode and lost my fukkin mind

castanuts (DJP), Monday, 18 April 2022 16:02 (two years ago) link

Doja Cat is the next Doctor

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Monday, 18 April 2022 16:20 (two years ago) link

Doja Who

beepy fridges (sic), Monday, 18 April 2022 16:33 (two years ago) link

They already had the Doctor sic* Nazis on the Master, so it wouldn't be a huge stretch

* not you, sic

castanuts (DJP), Monday, 18 April 2022 16:52 (two years ago) link

It's only a matter of time before they start retconning the Doctor into 90s pop culture, like making them an original member of the Durutti Column or something

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Monday, 18 April 2022 17:13 (two years ago) link

sorry 80s-90s that is

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Monday, 18 April 2022 17:14 (two years ago) link

God, that was terrible. I really liked the Daleks on NYE one, but this was frankly panto.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 18 April 2022 20:28 (two years ago) link

for Tracer: just missed the top ten on overnights, edged out by a repeat of Antiques Roadshow on BBC2

on +7, turned out the #3 for the day, #1 from any BBC channel. The Antiques Roadshow ep ended up outside the top 50.

beepy fridges (sic), Wednesday, 27 April 2022 06:36 (two years ago) link

There was a music hit in the 90s wasn't there. KLF related. Or am I a decade out.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 27 April 2022 06:45 (two years ago) link

Hope springs infernal, as my dad would say

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 27 April 2022 08:13 (two years ago) link

1988, Stevolende. So not too far out!

Grandpont Genie, Wednesday, 27 April 2022 08:21 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

redacted is very good imo

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/brand/p0c0krqf

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 29 May 2022 11:57 (one year ago) link

i.e. suzy otm

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 29 May 2022 11:57 (one year ago) link

four months pass...

In case anyone wasn't steaming with anticipation for the grand beebentenary special already, Thrillmeister Chris has released an official PR statement:

"This is certainly the biggest episode we’ve done during our time on the show. The story spans multiple locations and time periods, and there are multiple characters."

(full quote: “This is certainly the biggest episode we’ve done during our time on the show,” says writer and executive producer Chris Chibnall, speaking exclusively to Doctor Who Magazine. “The story spans multiple locations and time periods, and there are multiple characters. A huge amount of love for Doctor Who has been poured into this. But at its heart, this is a very simple and emotional story about things we’ve been feeling since Jodie started. It ends with thematic resonances of where that story began.”)

Vance Vance Devolution (sic), Monday, 17 October 2022 19:21 (one year ago) link

iconic multiple characters

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 17 October 2022 19:38 (one year ago) link

The Trial of a Female Time Lord

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Monday, 17 October 2022 19:48 (one year ago) link

did he forget that survivors of the flux took place in every chrono trigger zone? that was 4 episodes ago

formerly abanana (dat), Monday, 17 October 2022 21:20 (one year ago) link

I think he probably means "this one has more minutes in it than the previous longest one I done"

(there has only ever been one episode longer, in 1983)

Vance Vance Devolution (sic), Monday, 17 October 2022 21:56 (one year ago) link

things we’ve been feeling since Jodie started

Frustration, impatience, despondency…

meat and two vdgg (emsworth), Monday, 17 October 2022 22:06 (one year ago) link

Good old Chris, still doing the absolute bare minimum required by his contract to promote the show he's worked on for the last five years.

They should've used this version of the theme for his era, it would perfectly set the tone for everything that followed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQc1weL6MNM

"Spaghetti" Thompson (Pheeel), Tuesday, 18 October 2022 08:47 (one year ago) link

more spine-tingling hype from the master of words:

‘It is different. It’s visually very different. And where it takes place is different. I think I can say that without it being too much of a spoiler. It definitely feels different. It’s not going to take place in the same place as the previous regenerations’.

Vance Vance Devolution (sic), Friday, 21 October 2022 02:53 (one year ago) link

What cracks me up about that is the commercial letting us know it's the greatest hits of villains - Cybermen, Daleks, and The Master, which is anti-different.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Friday, 21 October 2022 12:37 (one year ago) link

Yes, but there'll be whatever further character-diminishing halfwitted additions to the Doctor's origin story he's determined to shove in before he goes out the door.

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Saturday, 22 October 2022 02:30 (one year ago) link

Bets on Timeless Child not being resolved and/or making sense by the end of the the finale (just the death of most of the universe never being mentioned again)

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 22 October 2022 07:13 (one year ago) link

*just like

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 22 October 2022 07:14 (one year ago) link

That last quote is clearly the sort of thing Chuck and James are talking about - every single previous BBC Doctor-changes-face-or-body 1966-2017 have been down to Time Lord technology (/potions/yoga), and nearly all in the TARDIS, which was originally established as being the thing what does it. But now he's rewritten it that regeneration is an inherent property of the Doctor, which Time Lord eugenicists stole out of her space DNA, so he's going to do the first nu-Who regen that isn't in the TARDIS and doesn't have laser whips shooting out of her face and hands.

Vance Vance Devolution (sic), Saturday, 22 October 2022 20:20 (one year ago) link

I'm looking forward to it, because at least Flux showed he could deliver something passably fun, if no less dumb than usual. And obvioiusly there's some curiosity about what he'll do with [redacted fan service guest stars], although obvs the answer will turn out to be: (1) give them a bittersweet backstory delivered as an over-expositional monologue (2) get them to do the catchphrases (3) have roughly 2.5 minutes screen time each

Anyway - in summary:

First two seasons: Appalling

New Year's episodes: (1) Okay (2) Appalling (3) Problematically centered a huge creep as one of the romantic leads, but somehow fun!

Flux: I'll happily admit to enjoying most of this; it's maybe the only time the show's been better than the worst epsiodes of the RTD and Moffat runs - faint praise, but still praise!

Sea Devils episode: Maybe one of the worst things I've ever quit watching after six minutes!

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 22 October 2022 20:55 (one year ago) link

My partner, who's happily watched every episode with me, even the one where David Tennant got turned into a CGI parrot, tapped out during Spyfall, when she fell asleep during Stephen Fry's scene and never watched another story.

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 22 October 2022 20:59 (one year ago) link

I'll speak up for the two Vinay Patel episodes in the first two seasons (Demons of the Punjab and Fugitive of the Judoon) and some of the others (The Witchfinders, It Takes You Away, Nikola Tesla's Night of Terror, The Haunting of Villa Diodati) are still better than say Nightmare in Silver, or Daleks in Manhattan.

On the other hand 'The Doctor watches in horror, as the other side of the portal reveals the ruined Gallifrey, much to everyone's confusion. The Master leaps through, exclaiming that the Doctor should be afraid because everything is about to change forever' so yeah, no arguments with Appalling as an average mark.

Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 22 October 2022 22:19 (one year ago) link

... is Tom Baker well these days?

Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 23 October 2022 19:27 (one year ago) link

This was fine (service) at least to the point I cba to nitpick. Dhawan really good once again - feel free to do The Three Masters next year RTD.

nashwan, Sunday, 23 October 2022 20:17 (one year ago) link

i watched this in fast forward, plot seemed incredibly convoluted but whatever, got a kind of New Adventures vibe from some of the fan service bits and maybe that was nice? at one point the cybermen masks looked a bit more like the Invasion ones and that was nice too.

anyway glad that's over. what a shame. looking forward to liking the show i like again (fingers crossed anyway).

meat and two vdgg (emsworth), Sunday, 23 October 2022 21:46 (one year ago) link

Dhawan as Rasputin was good, but he was as terrible as ever once he was 'The Master' (which is why I'm happy to blame Chibnall).

The main nitpick is what is hell the Master 'being the Doctor' is supposed to be, what part of his plan could he not do before?

The vibe reminded me a lot of The Stolen Earth / Journey's End, which I don't mind. It did kind of underline that the Davies / Moffat doctors are more transformational - they send their companions off spinning into the universe, or dead, or Donna.

Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 23 October 2022 22:20 (one year ago) link

Impressive project management, shame about the story

The fan service was a bit insipid - who on earth was it for? (I don’t count) - but Sophie Aldred was v fun whenever she was onscreen.

Straightwashing Tegan was typical Chibnall carelessness

Fingers crossed it’s better next time

Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 23 October 2022 22:54 (one year ago) link

the master's dalek plan was literally "i'll explain later"

the plot in a nutshell: daleks capture doctor at gunpoint, master absorbaloffs doctor, random guy shoots master, hologram of doctor unabsorbaloffs doctor, master shoots doctor

formerly abanana (dat), Monday, 24 October 2022 04:37 (one year ago) link

A few nice touches, but also mostly a shambles. I hope that's the last of Sacha Dhawan's Poundland Joker routine. A shame we will never get the much better idea that was Matt Berry as the Meddling Monk as Rasputin.

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Monday, 24 October 2022 09:02 (one year ago) link

I didn’t quite follow why there were 2 or 3 Masters in different timelines and what happened to each and what was the point of the Rasputin one? Anyway yes he is terrible. Also: whither Peri

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 24 October 2022 09:21 (one year ago) link

I suppose she’s a slug queen or a princess something somewhere off earth

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 24 October 2022 09:22 (one year ago) link

I’m psyched about the new era but am kind of hoping I can skip this one.. my kids don’t need to see this regeneration in order to understand what’s happening later do they

Tracer Hand, Monday, 24 October 2022 09:29 (one year ago) link

OH YES!

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 24 October 2022 09:36 (one year ago) link

dammit

Tracer Hand, Monday, 24 October 2022 09:53 (one year ago) link

It was so much fun. Do watch it!

put a VONC on it (suzy), Monday, 24 October 2022 09:58 (one year ago) link

I guarantee your kids can pick it up by you just saying she's David Tennant again

Vance Vance Devolution (sic), Monday, 24 October 2022 10:19 (one year ago) link

I am stuck in Frankfurt Flight cancelled and tomorrows flights all booked HELP I need to get back to the UK urgently Any advice welcome

— Colin Baker (@SawbonesHex) October 23, 2022

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 24 October 2022 16:12 (one year ago) link

ah colin, i remember walking past him bawling at his daughter down the street “well what time *will* you be back then?!”

felt he could have solved that question quite easily.

Fizzles, Monday, 24 October 2022 18:08 (one year ago) link

At least the Master didn't tie up the Doctor and monologue at her about his plan, from a separate day's shooting across the room again.

Official BBCS DW website now says the Tennant/Tate run is three 60th Anniversary specials to air in November '23. Assuming no new-year-related double-bluff: from his announcement to his successor's first ep, Chibnall's tally will stand at 31 episodes in 8 years and 11 months. That is, to be fair, more than twice as many as Moffat's 14 in the same era, but they were all in the first two years, and from three standing starts after having left the show twice.

Vance Vance Devolution (sic), Tuesday, 25 October 2022 02:36 (one year ago) link

I can’t say it feels particularly great to have a Blsck min announced as the next Doctor, eagerly await his regeneration, and then have David Tennant pop back up and find out it’s an entire year until it’s actually the Blavk actor’s turn

Aside from that this was surprisingly coherent

castanuts (DJP), Wednesday, 26 October 2022 03:47 (one year ago) link

See also bringing back Graham without Ryan

castanuts (DJP), Wednesday, 26 October 2022 13:47 (one year ago) link

I bet that was the actor’s choice, Chibnall would have reunited the ICONIC TEAM if he could.

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 26 October 2022 20:42 (one year ago) link

On the subject of ICONIC, I did really enjoy the (admittedly predictable) bit of Ace grabbing her leather jacket and baseball bat from under the floorboards at UNIT. Chibnall being nonsensical in a good way for once.

Would happily give Ace a Sarah Jane-type show on the back of this (although not written by Chibs obvs)

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 26 October 2022 21:05 (one year ago) link


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