King Crimson: Classic Or Dud

I thought this was awesome. Fripp apparently was offering recorded messages recently (quite a few artists seemed to do that during the pandemic, probably as a way of making up the income lost from not touring), and here's what he did for one guy:

My son is a huge fan of King Crimson and Robert Fripp. He and his wife recently had their first child, my first grandchild, and I decided to buy one of these personal greeting videos that have become quite popular. I sent a few bullet points for Robert to record a message for my son and his wife to welcome their daughter and about a week later got a two minute video from Robert and it was fantastic. He made the greeting very personal, he played his 1959 Les Paul and gave a little bit of the history of that guitar including what albums he had used it on.

He ended by playing Happy Birthday to our granddaughter in a bit of a King Crimsonesque style on the Les Paul. My son was ecstatic, as was I. Robert came across as a very genuine person who cares about his fans.

when I got into KC it seemed to be common knowledge that Fripp was a dick but I realize now that he's just strange.

his dickishness is a put on from everything I've heard from people who have worked with him.

except belew

true but from everything I've gleaned about this, belew is kind of wrong. dude wanted more money, others in the band to be paid as sidemen and wanted to be the front man. that wasn't in the cards going forward.

Full story too long to tell right now but about 7 years ago I spent about a week with him as we were both working on a musical endeavor involving Toyah.

He was absolutely one of the sweetest, kindest, funniest, and outright strangest dudes I've ever met. The week ended with us getting wasted on margaritas and him telling my girlfriend the history of the Fripp family in England dating back to 1500 AD or so. One of my fondest memories.

thats amazing!

Wow!

Debating about whether to see the documentary in a theater on Monday (part of a film festival), or just wait until it's on a streaming service. Tbh my main concern is that my wife won't enjoy herself (since she has never heard KC, a band with famously few female fans).

everything I've read about this doc is that it's enjoyable for anyone, aand given that there actually isn't a huge amount of performance in it, I would hope that would make it easier to watch. I've sensed that a fair amount of it is about Bill Reiflin.

I saw him do a small solo show back in the late 90s, and he did a Q&A after. He was very funny, like it was almost close to a stand-up comic performance, not at all what I would have expected, very dry and British, but very, very funny.

My wife got me a Fripp recorded video for Christmas 2019, it's lovely. They're still available.

King Crimson sure don't sound like they are getting ready to break up on 'Absent Lovers'. That is an amazing live record. I'd say one of the big expectations is just how good Tony Levin's vocals sound with Belew on the record. They definitely could pull off that drony harmony live on those tracks. Interesting thing on the vocal lines is that they are some types like the rhythm guitar of the track, holding down single root notes while the guitars do the spider web riffs around the chords. It is definitely one of KC's best recordings.

I'm really curious about all the late period live records as King Crimson is definitely one of the rock bands that has LOTS of live records completed and released. There has to be at least 10 since they got back together in the 90s, not counting those get the show after the show type CD truck recordings.

Get Radical Action… It’s amazing. A live album (3CD set) with all the crowd noise removed and serious reworkings of the material. Essential, I think.

At least one poster was interested in seeing the top ten lists included in Pete Tomsett's Fifty Shades of Crimson. I'm typed out now so I'll comment later:

King Crimson Tracks

Fracture
Lizard
Starless
Sartori in Tangier
The Court of the Crimson King
B’boom (live 1994)
The Sailor’s Tale (live 2014)
Red
The Night Watch
Walking On Air

Fripp solo or collaboration tracks

20th Century Dreaming (Sylvian/Fripp)
Sometimes God Hides
Breathless
I Advance Masked (Fripp/Summers)
The Stars Below (Fayman/Fripp)
Invocation (League of Crafty Guitarists)
Exposure
Heavenly Music Corporation (Fripp/Eno)
1989
North Meadow (Giles Giles & Fripp)

Other Crimson members’ solo or collaboration tracks

Hawaii (McDonald)
Exiles (Cross with Wetton)
C’est La Vie (Lake)
Hell’s Bells (Bruford)
Wings in the Sunset (McDonald/Giles)
Pelican Pie (Haskell)
Pretty Pink Rose (Belew)
In the Dead of Night (UK including Wetton and Bruford)
One of These Days I’ll Get an Early Night (Camel including Collins)
A Part and Yet Apart (Bruford’s Earthworks)

Appearances on other artists’ tracks

Baby’s on Fire (Eno with Fripp and Wetton)
St. Elmo’s Fire (Eno with Fripp)
The Great Curve (Talking Heads with Belew)
‘Heroes’ (David Bowie with Fripp)
Kingdom Come (Bowie with Fripp)
I Don’t Remember (Peter Gabriel with Fripp and Levin)
Listen Now (Phil Manzanera with Collins)
The Last Three Minutes II (Ten Seconds with Fripp)
Firth of Fifth live (Steve Hackett with Wetton and McDonald)
Nightmare (Anthony Phillips with Mike Giles)

good call on "I Advance Masked", possibly Fripp's best solo which is saying a lot

North Meadow for GGF, what a weird pick! Interesting lists tho.

I had never seen this video, but it's a great document of how the various pieces fit together, at least at this stage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1Eavhxlqd8

Two of the tracks from that show made it to the DVD in the Beat reissue. According to the book, Belew and Fripp were at each others' throats just weeks before this, over the mixing of the album.

Live in Mexico City (99) recorded 96
the ProjeKcts (99) recorded 97-99
Heavy Construcktion (00) recorded 00
Vroom Vroom (01) recorded 95-96
Elektric Live in Japan (03) recorded 03
Live at the Orpheum (15) recorded 14
Live in Toronto (16) recorded 15
Radical Action to Unseat the Hold of the Monkey Mind (16) recorded 15
Live in Chicago (17) recorded 17
Live in Vienna (18) recorded 16
Meltdown: Live in Mexico City (18) recorded 16
Audio Diary 2014-2018
Music is our Friend: Live in Washington and Albany 2021

That's quite a bit and there have been a few more archive releases.

all of the post 2014 albums have something to recommend them, though I guess on the whole either Radical Action or Meltdown are the best of the bunch. There are some terrifyingly good performances on Music is our Friend too.

Meltdown is good, but I really like dipping in and out of Audio Diary (it's a 5CD set!). Haven't heard Music Is Our Friend. Hate the title too much.

agree that was a dumb name for the last tour. that said the version of Schizoid Man on it is on fire, one of a few places where it sounds very evident they were aware this was the last outing.

"20th Century Dreaming” - I'm at least as big a Sylvian fan as I am of Crimson, and this is probably the track that best combines their approaches from heavy prog to ambient. This (or something else from The First Day) is Fripp's best "song-oriented" music since 1981.

Here's what I'd personally include in each of Tomsett's categories:

King Crimson Tracks:
- “In the Wake of Poseidon” or the “Devil’s Triangle” suite

Fripp solo or collaboration tracks:
the Exposure version of "Here Comes the Flood”

Other Crimson members’ solo or collaboration tracks:
- “A House of Hopes and Dreams” by Peter Sinfield (also featuring Lake and Collins)

Appearances on other artists’ tracks:
- Bruford on “Real and Defined Androgens” by Annette Peacock
- Fripp on “Wave” by David Sylvian
- Fripp on “Hammond Song” by the Roches

I saw one of the ProjKCt shows in Cincy @ Bogarts. It was a trio and Belew was playing drums. He might have done something on guitar at one point in duo with Fripp in the gig.

Belew and The Bears used to play in Bloomington back in the late 80s/early 90s a bunch but I never went to check them out. I'm guessing being that close to Cincy, those were live shows they could make happen.

Anyone going to the "speaking" tour with Fripp and KC's manager? It's like a pricey Q&A (Fripp is NOT playing his guitar, not even to answer a musical question) in smaller venues. I'll probably skip it (a Labor Day sale still pegs back-of-the-room tickets at $60 at one venue) but I wouldn't mind seeing a free livestream.

Yeah, I was planning to go, but not at that price, and not in this economy. I am, however, excited to finally see the documentary whenever it finally gets a proper DVD or Blu-Ray release

You’d think that buzz would have led to a distribution or theatrical-release deal, but not so, as Fripp tells RS. “In terms of presentation, we’ve done everything good advice would tell us to do — to go to respected film festivals and have it be well received. Then the next assumption is distribution, and the obvious culprits would seem to be Netflix or Disney or Amazon. But there has been no significant interest from that area. There’s been some interest, but it’s been pitiful.”

Lol at Disney. But clearly this boils down to money.

glad to have a ticket to see the film for its single screening in Sydney next month!

Anyone going to the "speaking" tour with Fripp and KC's manager? It's like a pricey Q&A (Fripp is NOT playing his guitar, not even to answer a musical question) in smaller venues. I'll probably skip it (a Labor Day sale still pegs back-of-the-room tickets at $60 at one venue) but I wouldn't mind seeing a free livestream.

I bought pricey tickets to this when a friend texted me about him "playing" while I was stumbling home drunk one night. Then I realized it was a Q&A. So yes, I'll be going.

Absolutely loved the film. The last rock doco I saw was the Triffids one, which was nice enough but I feel failed to make a case to anyone who was not already a committed fan.

Whereas the KC doco really created a portrait of a singular artistic enterprise which this not-quite fan found extremely compelling. Fripp is great talent of course, and the film totally delivers on the trailer’s promise of a hilarious ex-members’ grudgefest. But it goes way beyond that to being something really fascinating and moving and maybe even profound.

Evades many cliches too - distinct lack of career narrative, and actually not that much music. (There’s music there, but it’s not a concert film by any means.)

i can't wait for this to become available. I've lost track now, is it going to just be a dvd release in October?

I don't think Fripp ever confirmed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO0yMDVhQ8s

His intro video to the Q&A tour was pretty amusing. Invited people to come with burning questions to ask. What is a burning question? he prompts. His answer is essentially any question that you are willing to pay to ask.

how many questions am I allowed to ask about this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFonEZNxqKA

"Yeah, I have a question for you, Robert, about your Limp Bizkit cover. Had you or Toyah ever heard the song before performing it? And was it difficult to adapt your conception of what the song might sound like to your New Standard Tuning?"

how many times will he say "we're not talking about Discipline tonight"

"Fripp will humour any and all inquiries short of those pertaining to King Crimson and Fripp."

supposedly once someone asked him a dumb question at a Q&A he did at Columbia and he snorted "I thought this was Columbia University"

Details on the documentary

King Crimson have always pioneered their own uncompromisingly independent route, and this documentary, 4 years in the making, has followed the same path. In a carefully choreographed global event, the movie will be available for One Day Only in select independent cinemas worldwide on Wednesday 19th October, with a specially filmed introduction.

This will be followed on Saturday 22nd October by a special streamed screening in London, with live introduction by Robert Fripp and Q&A with the director and band members. The whole event and movie to be available live worldwide on the nugs.net platform and available through Video On Demand for a 24 hour period thereafter to allow for fans in different time zones around the world. A BluRay/DVD release and larger box set will follow, with never before seen live performances of the band, outrageous outtakes and hours of unreleased additional footage.

There's always a "larger box set," isn't there?

Fripp, why do you have to make it so difficult?

I'm crossing my fingers that our local Everyman Cinema will screen this, as they're the preferred supplier in the UK, but details have not yet been released.

$25 to watch a livestream?

Yeah, that seems a bit much. At that price, you typically can buy an HD download of a feature film or even physical Blu-ray.

He and Singleton showed some of the outtakes (performances, behind the scenes interviews) at the beginning and at various points of the Q&A tour they're doing right now. The live material was great -- they filmed the band in the round, with the cameras inside the circle and circling outside which made for a wholly unique way of experiencing the band performing.

F&S also said that while they were very pleased with how the film turned out the director was a bit of a flake and couldn't properly finish the film for years.

I read an interview w/the director where he said he had a finished cut, decided to bin it and start over from scratch and is happier with the result. But of course he'd say that!

I'm just glad he had the good sense to change the original title, which was like CosmiKc FuKc or something

Details for the movie are out; I think I might spring for the deluxe version, which is shockingly only $67 for an eight-disc set.

BLU-RAY and DVD:

In The Court Of The Crimson King - King Crimson at 50 (A film by Toby Amies)
Film Audio: DTS-HD MA 5.1 24/48 (Blu-Ray), Dolby Digital Surround 5.1 24/48 (DVD)
Audio for the film and all other selections plays in LPCM Stereo 24/48 on both formats

Excerpts From CosmiKc F*Kc - A 23 minute edit from the early version of the film.
"Starless" The Final Performance - Live at Bunkamura, Tokyo, December 8, 2021
Trailers and Additional Short Films
· Schizophonia
· Widows
· Raindance
Official Trailer

8-Disc Deluxe Version:

BLU-RAY 1 and DVD 1
As above

BLU-RAY 2 and DVD 2

King Crimson - Tring: Live in the Studio
1. Radical Action Suite
2. The Letters
3. Sailorʼs Tale
4. Cadence and Cascade
5. Fracture
6. Starless
7. Discipline

King Crimson - Rock In Rio
1. Drumzilla
2. Neurotica
3. Red
4. The Court Of The Crimson King
5. Indiscipline
6. Epitaph
7. 21st Century Schizoid Man

Gentlemen Of The Road: A 38 minutes short film: Backstage with King Crimson

CDs 1-4 (MUSIC FROM THE FILM SOUNDTRACK AND BEYOND )

CD1
1. Introductory Bellscape - Live 06-07/11/18 *
2. 21st Century Schizoid Man (edit) - mixed by Steven Wilson 2019
3. Moonchild (including cadenzas) - Live in Philadelphia, 23/09/19 **
4. Cat Food - from Cat Food EP Alt. mix by David Singleton
5. Lizard: i Prince Rupert Awakes Recorded at Wessex Studios, 1970, Keith Tippett piano (ii Bolero iii Dawn Song iv Last Skirmish v Prince Rupertʼs Lament) - Live in Rome 23/07/18 * [exc I, prev. rel]
6. The Letters - Live in the studio, Tring, 2018 *
7. Sailorʼs Tale - Live in the studio, Tring, 2018 *
8. Easy Money - Live in Oakland 05/09/19 **
9. Larksʼ Tongues In Aspic Part Two (Fripp) - Alt. mix by Steven Wilson 2012

CD 2
1. Fracture - Live in the studio, Tring, 2018 *
2. Fallen Angel - 2009 remaster by Robert Fripp & Simon Heyworth
3. Discipline - Live in the studio, Tring, 2018 *
4. Cadence And Cascade - Live in the studio, Tring, 2018 *
5. The ConstruKction Of Light - Live In Nijmegen, 22/06/19 **
6. Peace - Live in Vienna 01/12/16
7. Matte Kudasai (alt. intro) Recorded at Island Studios, 1981
8. The Mincer - Live in Zurich, 1973, completed at Air Studios, 1974
9. A Scarcity Of Miracles - Live in Japan 2015
10. Radical Action Suite - Live in the studio, Tring, 2018 * (Radical Action I / Meltdown / Radical Action II / Level Five)
11. Peace A Theme - mixed by Steven Wilson 2022 *

CD 3
1. Drumzilla - Live in Los Angeles 06/08/21 *
2. Waiting Man - Live in Frejus 27/08/82
3. Seizure - Live in San Francisco, 01/11/98
4. The Talking Drum - Alt. mix by Steven Wilson 2012
5. Indiscipline - Live in Del Ray Beach 23/07/21 **
6. Exposure - Mixed by Steven Wilson 2021
7. VROOOM - Live in Toronto 20/11/15
8. Coda: Marine 475 -Live in London 01/07/96
9. Darts - 2022 remaster by Marian Hafenstein at Possible Studios, Berlin **
10. Requiem (Extended version) - mixed by Steven Wilson 2013

CD 4
1. Walk On: Rio - Live in Rio de Janeiro 06/10/19 *
2. Larksʼ Tongues In Aspic Part One - Live in Stuttgart 16/06/19 ***
3. Breathless - Live in Poland 2018
4. One More Red Nightmare - Live in Sandy 03/08/21 ***
5. Epitaph - Live in Rio de Janeiro 06/10/20 *
6. Frame By Frame - Live in Nashville 27/09/19 ***
7. Pictures Of A City - Live in Osaka 02/12/21 ***
8. Red - Live in St. Augustine 24/07/21 ***
9. The Court Of The Crimson King - Live in Rio de Janeiro 06/10/21 *
10. Starless - Live in Tokyo 08/12/21 *
Key to OST: * = Previously unreleased, ** Previously Available via download at DGM Live/Cassette only release, *** Previously available in a different mix/master at DGM Live. All asterisked material new to CD.

The Tring live recordings are those that Naive Teen Idol mentions above -- beautifully filmed and they really highlight how the three drummers interact with the rest of the band. $67 for four audio CDs + the two DVDs is very reasonable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cdzfsLz1J8