Star Trek: Picard

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For some weird reason IMDB has no detail up yet for this ep so I cant confirm.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 24 March 2022 22:19 (one year ago) link

I don't think it was, I figured more of a spiritual cousin, as it were.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 March 2022 22:24 (one year ago) link

a couple websites are saying it was!

mh, Thursday, 24 March 2022 22:38 (one year ago) link

Yeah its him, comparison pics make it clear

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 25 March 2022 01:23 (one year ago) link

I enjoyed this ep but it occurs to me now what was bugging me

Trayce: yeah, I wondered about how Guinan didn't recognize Picard even though they'd met earlier, but timey wimey/alternate timeline shenanigans could be a convenient out. Also she doesn't look the same now as she did a century before (though I guess the throwaway line about being able to change her appearance at will is meant to handwave that away).

Despite that potential inconsistency, I dug all the little easter eggs (10 Forward as mentioned, but also why Picard sounds like a Brit).

Also, Marty McFly's mom directed the episode!

Ace of Base Are Belong To Us (Leee), Saturday, 26 March 2022 20:46 (one year ago) link

Other things:

I liked Seven and Raffi's bickering!
Dixon Hill!

And this seems like confirmation that the mohawk guy is the same from STIV:

Ace of Base Are Belong To Us (Leee), Saturday, 26 March 2022 21:04 (one year ago) link

And a nice interview with the one of the guest stars which also delves into the apparent plot inconsistency (spoiler-tagging the link because it has potential spoilers in it):

Ace of Base Are Belong To Us (Leee), Saturday, 26 March 2022 21:09 (one year ago) link

I’ll accept that.

mh, Saturday, 26 March 2022 21:12 (one year ago) link

Choice quote from interview:

And, I mean, he has a “Sir” in front of his name. He was just ready for it. He was like, “Bring it! Bring it!” And such a sweet soul.

A friend of mine had told me he really likes this yeast thing, Marmite. Because I have family in the U.K., I know it, and I hate it. It’s awful.

Ace of Base Are Belong To Us (Leee), Saturday, 26 March 2022 21:15 (one year ago) link

i like the actress who plays guinan but i was kind of annoyed that she didnt really do anything to even vaguely ~seem~ like the character at all idk
like except for her being at that bar & picard saying her name out loud, there isnt anything much there

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 26 March 2022 21:26 (one year ago) link

not that she shd imitate whoopi idk

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 26 March 2022 21:26 (one year ago) link

hah -- i saw who the director was but assumed it was a different person

mookieproof, Saturday, 26 March 2022 22:27 (one year ago) link

I like the idea of a timeline where
Guinan has been around earth during one of its worst periods, seen things move back and forth and then arrived at this 2024 bleak version, but without that tempering influence of having met Picard and crew back in the 1880s to know that things are going to rebound in a great way.

I recently rewatched the TNG episode where Ro Laren is initially sent to the Enterprise and Guinan sits her down and says, hey, I’m not here to be your friend, but here’s what I need to tell you. It’s a great moment because you can’t dictate what someone should do, but you can speak to them on their own terms.

I think there’s kind of a questionable writers room thing in ST with that, though, because as good as plays, the ST: First Contact movie also has a “black woman tells Picard to wake the fuck up” moment. I found it on youtube, but it cuts off before the great “ broke your little toys..” line

mh, Saturday, 26 March 2022 23:58 (one year ago) link

Yeah if you accept that the timey wimey fuckery means theyre in a past/present where *everything* they were and did just Never Happened, things make more sense. Its a bit of a deus ex machina, but its also very Trek, so.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Sunday, 27 March 2022 00:53 (one year ago) link

i thought guinan specifically told ro laren that she was her friend?

riker was such a dick in that ep; v. unprofessional

mookieproof, Sunday, 27 March 2022 01:01 (one year ago) link

yeah he was in super-asshole mode in that episode

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 27 March 2022 01:33 (one year ago) link

Was it episode 5 last season where things went south? This one was fine, but mostly setup for the next episode -- hopefully we'll get more heisty stuff that gets teased.

Ace of Base Are Belong To Us (Leee), Sunday, 3 April 2022 00:20 (one year ago) link

always happy to see orla but she seems to have let picard take over her entire mission with barely a shrug

not clear on how q had that disappointing finger snap yet still managed to provide soong with that compound/take over as renee's therapist

anyway despite the borg queen's attempts we have a plot, however absurd, that doesn't center on everyone's feelings. (yet, because this picard childhood thing is gonna be bad, right?

also santiago cabrera is a handsome man

mookieproof, Sunday, 3 April 2022 03:48 (one year ago) link

I am assuming Q is being her therapist precisely because he's realised he cant just Q-ify her head? So hes manipulating her old school.

Doesnt explain how he wormed into the position, but eh.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Sunday, 3 April 2022 09:47 (one year ago) link

Meantime, looking ahead a bit

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 5 April 2022 17:54 (one year ago) link

how will they bring data back to life and will it involve chronotons

mookieproof, Tuesday, 5 April 2022 18:02 (one year ago) link

sounds more like one of those Soong mfers to me

mh, Tuesday, 5 April 2022 18:07 (one year ago) link

Yeah I was rolling my eyes at yet another secret Soong.

I kind of wonder if the appearance of Soong and daughter wasn't so much a "Dahj cast in the image of hundreds of years later" thing but maybe a remixed reality where Q picked important people and recast them in this little fanfic of his.

Pomelo Anthony (Leee), Tuesday, 5 April 2022 18:27 (one year ago) link

Q is writing the show, confirmed!

mh, Tuesday, 5 April 2022 18:28 (one year ago) link

Well Alison Pill is having the time of her life (you know the moment I'm talking about it if you've seen the new episode).

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 April 2022 21:21 (one year ago) link

show needs more paintings: reanimate data

mark s, Thursday, 7 April 2022 22:24 (one year ago) link

this episode was lame

absurd that seven -- the character with actual borg experience! -- has spent the whole season trying to calm down the entirely useless raffi

didn't even get a song ffs

mookieproof, Saturday, 9 April 2022 04:03 (one year ago) link

thank god the picards had to go outside, at their crazy locked-down formal event, so someone could hit one of them with a car

oh no, someone is trapped in his own mind by entirely made-up trauma

they even wasted the whole thing with the hot doctor

mookieproof, Saturday, 9 April 2022 04:09 (one year ago) link

So you’re in the third season writers’ room.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 9 April 2022 04:15 (one year ago) link

i thought it had a solid start! but now it needs nothing less than AP reducing the borg queen to reciting the numbers of pi

mookieproof, Saturday, 9 April 2022 04:46 (one year ago) link

the borg queen stuff is def annoying to me

and look i should be first in line for pat benatar fan service but they kept the chorus exactly the same & just changed the arrangement for the verse which annoyed me

also thematically it’s kindof a halfass song choice. If you’re going to go there, GO THERE. just swing for the fences and do a bigband workup of “The Beast In Me” or fkn “Dr Hekyll and Mr Jive” or “Jugband Blues” like what are we really doing here

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 9 April 2022 04:56 (one year ago) link

if you're gonna go for a 40yo pop song there's no excuse not to go for total eclipse of the heart

mookieproof, Saturday, 9 April 2022 05:05 (one year ago) link

i was going more w split personality theme but ok

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 9 April 2022 05:11 (one year ago) link

Why would someone in 2024 sing/entertain others with a Pat Benatar song from the 80s was my problem. I know the answer is "our fans are all over 50" but hey ho.

Didnt mind this ep but not a lot progressed.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Saturday, 9 April 2022 06:14 (one year ago) link

also mookie otm i hate this
oh no, someone is trapped in his own mind by entirely made-up trauma

but in general i still do like this season

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 9 April 2022 06:56 (one year ago) link

I cannot imagine these series (Disco & Picard) being appealing to newcomers to the franchise.

adam t. (abanana), Saturday, 9 April 2022 14:16 (one year ago) link

I just watched two early, generic DS9 eps in a row — one where Dax trains a floppy-haired 90s Trill with Chandler Bing’s voice, and one where Quark’s old Cardassian girlfriend turns up — and the characters have such soul and depth and wit. I miss that! That dissonance - that’s always been there - between the depth of feeling and the corniness of the presentation - seems even more pronounced, watching them now alongside the new shows.

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 9 April 2022 16:05 (one year ago) link

a major problem i have with this show is that @sirpatstew's solution to playing picard-when-old is being @OLDsirpatstew and just playing picard and i don't think it works

mark s, Saturday, 9 April 2022 16:40 (one year ago) link

"he has an unstable arhythmia, his heart's all over the place"
"what does that mean?"
"it means he's in the middle of a major cardiac event"

thanks doc

mark s, Saturday, 9 April 2022 16:45 (one year ago) link


terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 9 April 2022 17:16 (one year ago) link

Nice twisty little nugget was Dr. Jemison being paged, who is almost surely Mae Jemison, real-life astronaut inspired to become one by TOS and later had a cameo on TNG.

Also, Seven has had experiences with Q(s).

Pomelo Anthony (Leee), Saturday, 9 April 2022 21:24 (one year ago) link

Hahah yeah at the Jemison moment, I was all "Hey wait, is she in this?"

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 9 April 2022 23:02 (one year ago) link

was that a tesla that soong used to run over picard?

presumably by 2024 everyone just shrugs when a tesla runs over a pedestrian due to the frequency

mh, Sunday, 10 April 2022 00:18 (one year ago) link

lol the entire franchise is now contorted to establish musk as someone who matters in its own past history

they shd go back in time and kill baby elon (he's a baby however old he is)

mark s, Friday, 15 April 2022 18:17 (one year ago) link

or we can sit in on jlp's therapy session 🙄

mark s, Friday, 15 April 2022 18:18 (one year ago) link

this deep space narnia shit is childishly bad sorry if this offends

mark s, Friday, 15 April 2022 18:27 (one year ago) link

omg this is boring garbage

mark s, Friday, 15 April 2022 18:53 (one year ago) link

the ending of this episode was so pointless and annoying

i liked the rest of it for the most part but just like, boring contrived earth shenanigans to drag the earth stuff out & fracture the group as much as possible interminably is the worst, i hate it every single time unless there are whales involved

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 15 April 2022 19:32 (one year ago) link

dragged-out time spent on earth >>>>>>>>>>>> dragged-out time spent in jlp's MIND AS A CHILD >:(

mark s, Friday, 15 April 2022 19:43 (one year ago) link

sorry if thats a spoiler but at least you can don a sleeping cap and get comfy as u watch

^^^correct posture assumed

mark s, Friday, 15 April 2022 19:45 (one year ago) link

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