ARRRRGGGHHH DAYLIGHT SAVINGS!!!!

Well, climate change is whittling away at winter, so there's that problem solved.

imo this is a proxy war between morning people and night people.

Kinda but morning people always win regardless.

This has maps that show the effects of keeping or abolishing DST, which of course vary a lot depending on where you are: http://andywoodruff.com/blog/where-to-hate-daylight-saving-time-and-where-to-love-it/

Here at the western edge of the Eastern time zone, it would give us one fewer morning of pre-7 a.m. sunrise, in exchange for year-round post-6 p.m. sunset, which seems like a good deal to me.

pplains linked to the exact same article three years ago. my reply was:

Why (those maps / that article) decided that "a reasonable sunrise time" was before 7 am is probably due to a conspiracy of so-called 'morning' people, who everyone with sense understands to be semi-human mutants and certainly not a demographic to be catered to.

Yeah sunrise should never be before 8am, just to drive home the point that yall are freaks for getting up and at em before then.

Climate change isn't changing the amount of sunlight each day...

I just figured that was a hand-crafted joke.

"actually, data in a recent paper suggest..." is typically how this setup ends.

Climate change just means you'll be sweating balls while you wait for the commuter train in the dark.

Yeah, it was my dumb joke. It'll still be dark, but it won't be "winter."

OK, I was just thinking that we've had some more-or-less snowless winters in Toronto, but it definitely didn't make it any more cheerful than usual.

It's like five months of November, plus frostbite.

I'm very much not a morning person, but mornings are forced upon me. Every time I have to wake up while it's still dark is hellish to me, which is why I would very much prefer year-round standard time. The actual changing of the time is awful too so maybe year-round DST is better than the current system, I don't know. Maybe this would force my son's school to not start school at such a ridiculously early hour, I don't know. It's not like I actually ever care what time it is at any point, I just don't want to have to force myself to get up while it's still dark out.

Yeah, same, this is Not Good. Also--is it not RIDICULOUS to insist that it's not noon when the sun is directly overhead? All summer long I already mentally subtract an hour to figure out when the sun will be strongest w/r/t sunburn, over-exposure, etc. Seems dumb to pretend otherwise instead of just changing the times things happen at.

i will of course bitch about losing my hour in the spring, but i think the current system is fine

at my latitude, permanent standard time would mean it would lead to 4:20am sunrises in high summer; permanent daylight time would lead to 8:20am sunrises in winter. i don't want either of those

The DST Grip Assistance Tool confirmed what I suspected... that no matter where I am in the US I do not like Standard Time and would be happier with permanent DST. I love going to work in the dark and hate going home in the dark.

Of course the tool doesn't factor in climate. Being in Texas, a few hours of sunlight in the winter after 5pm is actually useful to me because it's generally still warm enough to go outside and enjoy it. It also fails to factor in that letting people go to work and leave work whenever the fuck they want would be the best solution.

I read about Mason & Dixon using their theodolite to view the morning star to set their coordinates. They kept a journal, of course, and one of the entries said they got their readings at 3:40 am, right before sunrise.

This was before there were even time zones, but to hell with that.

I grew up at the far western edge of the Eastern time zone, west of chicago but supposedly gerrymandered to keep the copper mines on east coast time. It would still be dark at 8am in winter, but summer was glorious and the sun wouldn't set until 10pm. Living at the eastern edge of the Pacific time zone sucked because it was light at 4:30am which is totally useless.

I'm ecstatic that they chose to go with Daylight Savings Time and I don't care if the sun rises at 9am in December.

Love that exact same thing about summer but I've had too many years of getting up in the dark and going into a window-less office building in the dark and never seeing sunlight, to be okay with those winter mornings. :((( Not looking forward to it.

A lot of the talk is how far east or how far west you are, but the north and south differences are pretty crazy too. It took me awhile to figure out what was going on in Minnesota, having come from points further south.

On June 23 this year, the sun will set on Little Rock at 8:26 pm. About 720 miles to the north in Minneapolis that same day, sunset will be at 9:03 pm.

After all these last few years, this is finally going to be the thing that breaks us.

What I like about living further south is the earliest sunset of the year is still after 5pm, so it's not fully dark until 540ish on the shortest day of the year. The tradeoff is that it's never light out til like 9pm, which, being in AZ is a good thing.

Northerners do get nice long summer nights. And deserve them! I really noticed it on a June visit to Edinburgh a few years ago, there was visible sunlight until 10 or so.

I grew up another ~150 miles north of Minneapolis which really adds to the effect.

At its worst true daylight only exists there from 8:35am until 5:05pm - I would go to work in my windowless basement office in the dark and it would be dark when I left. I would have gladly taken another hour at the end of the day.

Yep agree. Honestly it's one of the reasons I moved out of IL. The freezing cold is one thing but lack of sunlight due to early sunset + frequent overcast sky was just too much.

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Commuting during the winter and having early hours, morning feels like the middle of the night when it's pitch black out and you have to wake up and get to work. I'd much rather drive home in the dark after work

hmm yeah, early morning snow not cleared in time resulted in a few school delays recently. could be a bad scene for snowy areas

My night vision seems to be deteriorating, so I'd rather not have to do any driving after dark.

hmm yeah, early morning snow not cleared in time resulted in a few school delays recently. could be a bad scene for snowy areas

Didn't even think of this!

Government offices closed until 10 am? Try 11 am, motherfuckers!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVoN7PVXRe4

I'll be able to see my book again!

will be glad when the time changes back again tonight

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My bedroom faces east. Daylight savings is good in the summer, but even then the sun comes blinding through my windows and I wake up at 6 AM

In late October with daylight savings I'm not happy to wake up in the dark, so I'm in favor of the switch back to standard time, even though it means it gets dark earlier in afternoon

my blessed hour is almost here

its happening again

*checks bedside clock*
me: mmm, 7:30, plenty of time to walk the dog and make coffee before D:O Radio starts
*gets up, gets dressed, looks at phone*
me: oh no

This is great! Did some light shopping, washed the car, took a nap, looked at the clock and it's only 5:30!

i.e. pitch fucking black?

This is great!... looked at the clock and it's only 5:30!

that's a one-off bonus on the first day or two until you've shifted your waking rhythms to the newer clock time on both ends of the day.

"Even one hour of lost sleep affects many areas of functioning – decreasing motor function, memory and mood. After the spring time change, traffic accidents are more frequent and workplace injuries are more common. In the first few weeks after the “fall back,” suicide rates sharply increase."

https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2014/03/06/daylight-saving-time-at-what-cost/daylight-saving-time-takes-a-toll-on-health

this is a psychotic and murderous custom, god I hope I live long enough to see it consigned to the dustbin of history

Today Mom asked me to get her and dad breakfast at Wendy's after I voted, so I pulled the app up, and I guess the app programming hadn't updated the time for DST, because the lunch menu was displaying an hour early.

I went inside to the kiosks, which were correctly still on breakfast.

I wonder if a lot of frustrated employees were getting lunch orders before lunch began en masse

I don't have strong feelings on DST, I just hope everyone does away with it at the same time, rather than leaving the fun scenarios at work like how tomorrow, all of our San Juan employees shifts now move one hour later for six months because they handle calls for call centers based in Eastern Time, whereas Puerto Rico is on Atlantic time, and does not observe DST. So last week ET and AT were the same, now San Juan is one hour later than ET

Oh the fun when our Ops team forgot this in 2015, didn't adjust the schedules, and sent the entire team home for the day an hour prior to closing

yeah I don't care which one we use, just stop changing FFS

it's the sheer arrogance of thinking we can actually control time that galls me

also the physical awfulness of the actual switching, twice a fucking year, hammering home the pathetic hubris of humans yet again

I like it. Time is arbitrary. The whole world dutifully fiddles with their microwave clocks on the same day (sort of - the UK did ours a week ago)
I don't actually like it that much because I don't like it getting dark so early.

I love it when it gets dark early. I'm more awake at night than during the day! The sun makes me want to nap (by the fishin' hole wearin' a straw hat and chewing on a stalk of some sort of grain).