Very on brand to promote this web oddity
― kraudive, Friday, 11 March 2022 15:40 (two years ago) link
The track may be a significant source of $$ for them, considering its numbers (assuming streaming at that level does make money for artists)
― u swear (morrisp), Friday, 11 March 2022 15:52 (two years ago) link
weird turn of events! will there be a bunch of gen z kids at the pavement reunion shows? i'm guessing "no" but I don't really know.
― tylerw, Friday, 11 March 2022 18:20 (two years ago) link
Maybe with their parents
― u swear (morrisp), Friday, 11 March 2022 18:52 (two years ago) link
Nast really needs to write a memoir
http://vishkhanna.com/2022/04/05/ep-677-pavement/?fbclid=IwAR1IXLmY4sjqOV1EbV9P7ygxG9QzHMblmR3OgjcokUvKi3SATXU43nC9Zsg
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 5 April 2022 22:01 (two years ago) link
he does. man he sounds bitter in that interview though. and he's living in a shack???? yikes. hope the dude is ok
― a (waterface), Wednesday, 6 April 2022 12:20 (two years ago) link
The scuttlebutt for the 2010 reunion tour was that Malkmus did it to help out Nastanovich financially iirc.
― reassessing life after bookmarking a Will Smith thread (PBKR), Wednesday, 6 April 2022 13:34 (two years ago) link
yup
― a (waterface), Wednesday, 6 April 2022 13:40 (two years ago) link
I remember that turning up in a MAGNET profile
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 6 April 2022 16:23 (two years ago) link
Also
https://pitchfork.com/features/article/so-much-for-destiny-the-story-of-pavements-terror-twilight/?fbclid=IwAR3VxDN0JcOH7ZIukECQ7pBOFDDDKlSr97e4_QUfEovBhvNNIPXVqfp8zCg
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 6 April 2022 16:27 (two years ago) link
That Pitchfork piece is a good read, but also annoys me all over again that they are only restoring the Gordich sequencing on the LP, but not the CD version. Seems dumb.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 6 April 2022 16:49 (two years ago) link
in that interview its funny to get godrich's take on the infamous forgetting-bob's-name issue. happy to have some closure on that one.
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 6 April 2022 17:35 (two years ago) link
"Look, maybe I only forgot his name once."
― Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 6 April 2022 17:46 (two years ago) link
Yeah, that's kinda weak, lol – "there’s five of them and just one of me"
I mean I'm sure he's a nice guy, etc.
― ass time permits (morrisp), Wednesday, 6 April 2022 18:14 (two years ago) link
he got paid very well for that gig, iirc. least he could do is remember the name of one of the nicest guys in music.
― alpine static, Wednesday, 6 April 2022 18:45 (two years ago) link
bob lives in a house, i think he just was recording the podcast in a shed haha.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 6 April 2022 18:58 (two years ago) link
yeah i wasn't sure.
― a (waterface), Wednesday, 6 April 2022 19:01 (two years ago) link
that pitchfork article is kinda great. i dig the new sequencing too
really hope malkmus tours with the traditional techniques band next year, would love to see that live. seems like he recorded an album this past fall/winter with that crew too, so i hope it happens
― a (waterface), Wednesday, 6 April 2022 19:03 (two years ago) link
Tix for the NY shows are more than $100 each wtf?
― calstars, Wednesday, 6 April 2022 19:48 (two years ago) link
what's his name needs a new pair of shoes.
― mizzell, Wednesday, 6 April 2022 19:58 (two years ago) link
i dig the new sequencing too
It does seem pretty good, I just don't at all get the thinking behind hyping up the new sequencing as something they "fixed up" for the reissue if they were only going to bother doing it on one of the two physical formats. Just seems bizarre.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 6 April 2022 21:48 (two years ago) link
This version of stereo has me roflinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI5akIHu99E
― calstars, Wednesday, 6 April 2022 22:00 (two years ago) link
no idea why they didn't just have Spiral sing lead at that gig
― alpine static, Wednesday, 6 April 2022 22:18 (two years ago) link
when we did our worldwide deal with Matador [in 2020]
― ass time permits (morrisp), Thursday, 7 April 2022 00:28 (two years ago) link
kind of blown away by the economics of the tour, at least the NY dates4 shows x 3000 capacity x $150 avg price = almost $2 millionsongs mean a lot...to someone I guess
― calstars, Thursday, 7 April 2022 13:39 (two years ago) link
Mark Ibold's Kreative Kontrol out now.
Does anyone know other examples of him singing on Pavement tracks, than just Carrot Rope?
― PaulTMA, Thursday, 7 April 2022 13:49 (two years ago) link
Some of the Coachella video comments are great - "Steve hates them so much, he won't play ball" etc
― PaulTMA, Thursday, 7 April 2022 14:01 (two years ago) link
i had never seen that coachella video. . . yikes!!!!!
― a (waterface), Thursday, 7 April 2022 14:23 (two years ago) link
It’s weird to me how people in bands whose albums are coming out or being reissued are like “yeah, you know, I haven’t heard this yet” but maybe I shouldn’t be surprised
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 7 April 2022 19:53 (two years ago) link
I agree - especially for something like this, which it sounds like the band had an active hand in "producing"
― ass time permits (morrisp), Thursday, 7 April 2022 20:05 (two years ago) link
“Have you seen the liner notes?” (That you contributed to)
“No, not yet”
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 7 April 2022 20:09 (two years ago) link
Anyway Spit on a Stranger is a bloody lovely thing and i never heard it before today, somehow.
― piscesx, Friday, 8 April 2022 02:06 (two years ago) link
imo best argument for the godrich running order is spit on a stranger makes for a wonderful closer
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Friday, 8 April 2022 02:14 (two years ago) link
Tix for the NY shows are more than $100 each wtf?Hey, you can buy a ticket or the vinyl (same price!)
― ass time permits (morrisp), Friday, 8 April 2022 04:10 (two years ago) link
Someone says online: I was surprised to see in the credits that Gary Young played drums on the 2 spiral stairs demos, stub your toe and time to...
― ass time permits (morrisp), Friday, 8 April 2022 04:16 (two years ago) link
I do like the Godrich track order. “Shagbag” is a neat little filler/transition.
― ass time permits (morrisp), Friday, 8 April 2022 04:48 (two years ago) link
I forgot about this song “Rooftop Gambler” – it’s a good b-side
― ass time permits (morrisp), Friday, 8 April 2022 04:59 (two years ago) link
It’s kinda funny that this set doesn’t include their viral hit “Harness Your Hopes” (even though it was on the “Spit on a Stranger”single). They coulda double-dipped and threw it on…
― ass time permits (morrisp), Friday, 8 April 2022 05:13 (two years ago) link
Track 24 (“You Are the Light,” recorded at the Portland studio) is a real treat… that classic Pavement vibe.
― ass time permits (morrisp), Friday, 8 April 2022 06:01 (two years ago) link
Don't think I'll ever be able to listen to this album again without agonising about but what the correct sequence should be (probably neither of the official ones)
― PaulTMA, Friday, 8 April 2022 09:51 (two years ago) link
I have always enjoyed this record which has that "a weird end of the band or first solo album in all but name" vibe, cf Trompe Le Monde, In Through the Out Door, Lamb Lies Down on Broadway... can't think of others right now but you know what I'm talking about.
I'll probably always prefer the original order - I think I get what the Goodrich order is trying to do, clustering the weird stuff at the front and the poppy stuff at the back seems like a reasonable plan to lull the pavement fan with spacy/noisy songs then blindside them with major leagues/carrot rope/stranger, but I like how the original order works, with those 3 poppy songs as first, middle and last tracks of the record, a bolder statement. Daring you to take Malkmus in heart-on-sleeve mode seriously. I love how Carrot Rope lurching in after Hexx just totally deflates that grand statement, and subverts the earlier love songs into something strangely lascivious yet silly. And I don't think Stranger works as a closer, really.
Not a ton of great outtakes compared to the earlier series, as expected based on comments back then. Not including the vocal version of Preston School seems questionable, I always liked those goofy harmonies. I need to sift through my old mp3s and pick out the essential random live tracks from the 90s that were never released, all those hilarious covers like Wonderwall and Love is Lies, and half written songs like the Mark E Smith tune. Never a very convincing live band, I think a live compilation of half-assed fragments from across the 90s would work better.
Also, Malkmus needs a single disc best-of covering his solo stuff with a bonus b-sides disc. Perhaps there'd be interest in ballot polling him? Having his top songs spread across three different spotify entries (Pavement, Stephen Malkmus and the Jicks, and Stephen Malkmus) definitely helps keep his artistic profile a bit artificially low which I assume is what he wants (slacker cred).
― mig (guess that dreams always end), Friday, 8 April 2022 16:08 (two years ago) link
I don't care for the Godrich order. The most interesting thing for me to hear is the demos. The melodies are already so fully-formed, even with the lyrics being half-there or absent. Which isn't suprising, but it does shine a necessary light on the fact that SM's primary gift has always been melody, as opposed to lyrics, even though so much attention is paid to those, at least in the Pave era. It makes me wish he and Berman had combined their strengths more often with the Joos (see American Water, especially "Blue Arrangements")
― feed me with your chips (zchyrs), Friday, 8 April 2022 16:31 (two years ago) link
my father came in from wherever he'd been
― a (waterface), Friday, 8 April 2022 16:42 (two years ago) link
I think the original order makes more "sense" and was probably the right one to go with, but the Godrich order breathes fresh air into the album, and it's cool they went with it now (and dumb they didn't with the CD; I would have bought it if they had, but don't see a reason now).
― ass time permits (morrisp), Friday, 8 April 2022 16:48 (two years ago) link
There are definitely some lyrics here where you can tell Berman rubbed off on SM.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 8 April 2022 16:48 (two years ago) link
Correction: this morning, it's showing up as Track 36 (don't know what I was looking at / smoking last night)
― ass time permits (morrisp), Friday, 8 April 2022 17:18 (two years ago) link
Only just noticed "you are a light the calm in the day" sounds a bit "like like the the the death"
― PaulTMA, Friday, 8 April 2022 18:21 (two years ago) link
Somehow P missed making the rotation in bar / coffee shop playlists. I never hear them in the wild
― calstars, Sunday, 10 April 2022 01:16 (two years ago) link
Nice ending to the Pitchfork review:
It was the album that brought Pavement full circle: dressed for success, but never quite sure if they wanted the job.
― ass time permits (morrisp), Sunday, 10 April 2022 05:27 (two years ago) link
― calstars, Monday, 11 April 2022 15:38 (two years ago) link