Trances is fantastic, though I might say it's more of an excellent movie than music doc
― rob, Thursday, 10 March 2022 15:05 (two years ago) link
maybe not controversial, but the best music biopic of all time is 'walk hard: the dewey cox story'
― roflrofl fight (voodoo chili), Thursday, March 10, 2022 7:35 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
Wow, how did I never know this existed?! Must see. I opined on another thread once that a great film could be made of the Stax Records story, but Hollywood in its infinite wisdom would probably screw it up.
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 10 March 2022 15:12 (two years ago) link
I really liked a True Testimonial when I saw a bootleg copy in like ‘04. I was woefully ignorant re the 5 at the time.
― OG Bob Sacamano (will), Thursday, 10 March 2022 15:21 (two years ago) link
The Grateful Dead doc "Long Strange Trip" was excellent.
― o. nate, Thursday, 10 March 2022 17:09 (two years ago) link
xp yeah that MC5 doc was really great.
― Kim Kimberly, Thursday, 10 March 2022 17:12 (two years ago) link
really like this controversial opinion, it's caused me to reflect on what music documentaries i actually appreciate as films and the answer is jazz on a summer's day (which is i guess a concert film but the ambient interstitial footage of teenagers dancing and smoking on rooftops makes it feel more like a world)
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 10 March 2022 17:14 (two years ago) link
decline of western civilization part 2 would be another one
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 10 March 2022 17:15 (two years ago) link
but aligning with the post that started this discussion off, i also love made in america, that shit is crazy
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 10 March 2022 17:16 (two years ago) link
the Death one was good -- idk if I could really enjoy a music documentary where I thought the music was horrible though (unless the point the film was trying to make was that the music was horrible, but even still, at my advanced age, I would most likely think, why am i watching this then?) -- the Metallica one is a unique case (though some of their earlier stuff I do like)
― sarahell, Thursday, 10 March 2022 18:47 (two years ago) link
The Fugazi one was also good -- if only for the ice cream eating motherfucker bit
― sarahell, Thursday, 10 March 2022 18:48 (two years ago) link
ice cream-eating motherfucker
― sarahell, Thursday, 10 March 2022 18:51 (two years ago) link
nilsson one sux so bad. one of the more useless docs.
― kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 10 March 2022 19:27 (two years ago) link
i love the documentaries that leave gigantic gaps of information, like, one moment they're talking about writing one album, and suddenly they jump to being on tour for the next one, and entire people have left the band
― i read to 69 position (Neanderthal), Thursday, 10 March 2022 19:29 (two years ago) link
I love a lot of music docs, especially about musicians whom I don't really care for. I love the multi-part Grateful Dead doc, it made me understand my love-hate affair with them and their fans a lot better.
I recently watched the doc about a lot of the players from Parliament Funkadelic, and it was batshit— George Clinton is even more of an awful person that I previously knew. Just awful, if the doc is to be believed, and I do believe it.
― we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Thursday, 10 March 2022 22:18 (two years ago) link
That said, it wasn't beautiful. More like a "big scoop." Sometimes that's okay.
I think Walk Hard only makes sense if you also saw Ray and Walk the Line (at minimum), plus the Doors and Almost Famous and Spinal Tap and and and. It's a tropefest and you can't appreciate a tropefest when you don't know the tropes.
That said, I have very low standards for music documentaries/biopics, including Classic Albums, Behind the Music, concert films, parodies, spoofs, all of it really. I will watch basically all of them, even if I am not particularly a fan of the artist or scene.
― jenny from the blockchain (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 10 March 2022 22:27 (two years ago) link
Sometimes it's actually better that way, b/c you're not hung up on accuracy and "well actchually, their 3rd album was their artistic peak and should've been explored in more depth," blah blah
― Not Dork Yet (alternate toke) (morrisp), Thursday, 10 March 2022 22:29 (two years ago) link
The Kids Are Alright is a stone classic, but few documentaries since have adopted that film’s approach of allowing the performances to tell the story (although Instrument and Milford Graves: Full Mantis came pretty close). Amazing Journey is more informative, but also a disappointing missed opportunity. The 2012 Quadrophenia: Can You See the Real Me? is arguably the most effective Who documentary in terms of digging into the friction behind the personalities and the personalities behind the friction, and is vastly more substantial than the typical Classic Albums episode. (It’s also unavailable in any physical format or on any streaming service.)
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 10 March 2022 22:38 (two years ago) link
I mean, SotL kind of actively make fun of how boring their music is, otherwise a beautiful swelling track wouldn't be titled "Dungtitled (in A minor)" or "December Hunting for Vegetarian Fuckface." If you don't like ambient music, that's fine, but also I don't have much to say to you about anything.― we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Thursday, 10 March 2022 5:24 AM (yesterday)
― we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Thursday, 10 March 2022 5:24 AM (yesterday)
See? Controversial.
Yeah I don't really like ambient music. But it's such a useless term really. SAW II is one of my favourite albums ever. I own heaps of drone. But by and large, I'll leave ambient to the yoga studios.
― raven, Friday, 11 March 2022 07:20 (two years ago) link
sotl are funny bcuz we all went so hard for them on the noize board for some reason and they are yah just 2 long violin notes for 10 mins lol
― kurt schwitterz, Friday, 11 March 2022 07:39 (two years ago) link
Yeah so people are always like "OMG the sound of an orchestra tuning up, so romantic!" and I grew up playing in orchestras, and it's just a fucking orchestra tuning up.Maybe as a cellist SOTL are just too close to that for me.
Their first(?) album as I recall had a bit more grit to it. After that everything I've heard is pleasant at best.
― raven, Friday, 11 March 2022 08:02 (two years ago) link
I could see calling all ambient music boring, but I feel like even within the boringness of ambient, SotL's boringness stands out.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 11 March 2022 15:45 (two years ago) link
Watched Walk Hard last night, thanks for the recommendation. It walks the line (see what I did there?) between really dumb and really fun.
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Friday, 11 March 2022 17:09 (two years ago) link
I love SotL and think y'all are fools.
― we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Friday, 11 March 2022 17:14 (two years ago) link
Well that's not nice
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 11 March 2022 17:30 (two years ago) link
Oh well! I'll take "enjoys simple-minded emotionally manipulative ambient music" over "nice" any day.
― we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Saturday, 12 March 2022 13:26 (two years ago) link
Take extra care with strangersEven flowers have their dangersAnd though scary is excitingNice is different than "enjoys simple-minded emotionally manipulative ambient music"
― i read to 69 position (Neanderthal), Saturday, 12 March 2022 13:37 (two years ago) link
Lindsay Buckingham is (at best) the 4th best songwriter of Fleetwood Mac.
― move over GAPDY, now there's BIG THIEF! (PBKR), Saturday, 12 March 2022 13:50 (two years ago) link
SoTL is such an easy target, and their approach also does not represent the variety of different types of music classified as ambient.
― Evan, Saturday, 12 March 2022 14:07 (two years ago) link
― move over GAPDY, now there's BIG THIEF! (PBKR), S
yeah, this, lol. I realized years ago he's an excellent melodist who has occasionally brought his shit together enough to match his wizardly production gifts.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 12 March 2022 14:11 (two years ago) link
I don't know who PBKR would put in the third slot, but I'd say that Danny Kirwan vies with Nicks as the most consistent songwriter Fleetwood Mac ever had. Bob Welch on Mystery to Me and Buckingham on Tusk put more good songs on a single album than Kirwan and Nicks ever did, though.
― Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 12 March 2022 15:12 (two years ago) link
Consistent without mentioning Christine McVie?
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 12 March 2022 15:14 (two years ago) link
otm about Kirwan
Uh, Peter Green?
― Alfred Ndwego of Kenya (Tom D.), Saturday, 12 March 2022 15:18 (two years ago) link
Consistency is easy with fewer albums.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 12 March 2022 15:19 (two years ago) link
I find about half of her stuff from Future Games to Tango dull.
Never heard the albums pre-Then Play Long, some good singles obviously.
― Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 12 March 2022 15:23 (two years ago) link
Not to be pedantic, but dullness is a species of consistency.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 12 March 2022 15:28 (two years ago) link
OK, consistently good.
― Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 12 March 2022 15:33 (two years ago) link
the best talk talk album is the party’s over
― brimstead, Saturday, 12 March 2022 16:33 (two years ago) link
― Halfway there but for you, Saturday, March 12, 2022 10:12 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
There is a reason her name is Christine Perfect:
C. McVieNicksKirwan and/or WelchBuckingham, maybe
This is like a HOF discussion in baseball - are we talking peak achievements, counting stats, etc. I think McVie gets both, though peak achievement might be Kirwan's songs on Future Games and Bare Trees.
― move over GAPDY, now there's BIG THIEF! (PBKR), Saturday, 12 March 2022 18:08 (two years ago) link
And she's a helluva singer
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 12 March 2022 18:16 (two years ago) link
But I adore Stevie. She brought something quite new: this fusion of Joplin and Jim Morrison and witchery.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 12 March 2022 18:17 (two years ago) link
Greatest FM vocal performance: Mick Fleetwood as Mrs. Scarrott on "Thoughts on a Grey Day".
As for The Party's Over, it's really underrated and one of the best records in its genre.
― Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 12 March 2022 19:00 (two years ago) link
I have a couple!
The second Specials album is better than the first and the third one kicks major ass
I like later era post Silent is Sexu Neubautin better than the earlier stuff!
― kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 15 March 2022 22:58 (two years ago) link
The best Nine Inch Nails albums, in order, are:
disc 1 of The FragileWith TeethYear ZeroPretty Hate MachineThe Downward Spiral
― castanuts (DJP), Thursday, 17 March 2022 17:19 (two years ago) link
Yeah, no problem with that
― imago, Thursday, 17 March 2022 17:20 (two years ago) link
my favorite is hesitation marks :)
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 17 March 2022 17:22 (two years ago) link
With Teeth deserves high billing for the bookends alone
― imago, Thursday, 17 March 2022 17:23 (two years ago) link
Hesitation MarksThe Slipthe three recent EPs back to back to backWith Teeth (this one grew on me; I hated it for a while)The Downward SpiralThe FragileGhosts I-IVPretty Hate MachineYear Zero
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 17 March 2022 17:25 (two years ago) link
contra op the nin albums have aged terribly and hes become a supremely boring totally uninspired film composer
― kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 17 March 2022 17:35 (two years ago) link