major labels are big spotify shareholders, which is why they don’t mind low royalty rates
― roflrofl fight (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 13:07 (two years ago) link
whoever bought Leonard Cohen’s complete catalogue made a terrible investment
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 13:32 (two years ago) link
My controversial streaming opinion is that I still by physical copies of music whenever possible, so I don't feel guilty about using streaming services as well
― castanuts (DJP), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 14:56 (two years ago) link
Talk Talk controps? New Grass is the main reason why Laughing Stock isn't quite as good as Spirit Of Eden
― imago, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 16:02 (two years ago) link
I mean I don't know if I even believe that lol
― imago, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 16:04 (two years ago) link
The mainest reason is that SOE is just the greatest
But that's not controversial
― imago, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 16:05 (two years ago) link
whoever bought Leonard Cohen’s complete catalogue made a terrible investment― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, March 8, 2022 5:32 AM
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, March 8, 2022 5:32 AM
I don't know why, but this made me lol. I've certainly never paid money to hear a Leonard Cohen album.
I mean I don't know if I even believe that lol― imago, Tuesday, March 8, 2022 8:04 AM
― imago, Tuesday, March 8, 2022 8:04 AM
Now you're playing by my rules. Keep up the good work!
― Let's disco dance, Hammurabi! (Austin), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 16:33 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC-K3OrL9Lg
― The sensual shock (Sund4r), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 16:55 (two years ago) link
I've certainly never paid money to hear a Leonard Cohen album
Plenty of others seem willing to pay in order to inflict "Hallelujah" upon us (in soundtracks, etc.)
― Not Dork Yet (alternate toke) (morrisp), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 17:12 (two years ago) link
"Inflict"
Perfect verbiage.
That said, the Isle of Wight performance is okay.
― Let's disco dance, Hammurabi! (Austin), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 18:04 (two years ago) link
"Whiny little bitches"! Nice one.
"New Grass" is the best Talk Talk song and is responsible for one of the best Radiohead songs ("Reckoner") and countless other of my favourite records/albums. I'm wary of overpraising Laughing Stock but that song is kinda undeniable
― flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 18:08 (two years ago) link
I'd say "Taphead" and "Runeii" are the only songs on Spirit of Eden / Laughing Stock / Mark Hollis that don't stand up for themselves. Too abstruse for too little payoff, though they serve a role in context.
― Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 18:39 (two years ago) link
Wait — Spirit of Eden, Laughing Stock, and Mark Hollis aren't just different movements of the symphony??
― Let's disco dance, Hammurabi! (Austin), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 20:56 (two years ago) link
Yes, that's the context.
― Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 21:49 (two years ago) link
...but I'd reserve the right to say a particular symphonic movement was subpar, to get this back on the controversial track.
― Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 21:55 (two years ago) link
Just realised I do have a controversial musical opinion, which is that Stars of the Lid are boring as.Sorry to apparently everyone else in the world.
― raven, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 00:17 (two years ago) link
That's a good one! No apology needed, imo.
(I think they're fine but when was the last time I listened to them: who knows?)
― Let's disco dance, Hammurabi! (Austin), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 00:34 (two years ago) link
Boring is the point, it’s functional music. It’s music to calm down. In a perfect yoga studio SOTL would be on repeat
― flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 14:41 (two years ago) link
― celebrating ten years of constant posting (breastcrawl), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 15:13 (two years ago) link
the reason that vocal editing in documentaries is so awful and unnatural now is directly related to the prevalence of autotune and pop singers who are such awful singers that the software tools used to compensate for their shitty singing can only do so much, so the singers sound less shitty, but in an unnatural way, which leads documentary editors to believe that similarly unnatural sounding edits and mixes are totally okay when editing speaking voices in documentaries
― sarahell, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 17:12 (two years ago) link
I generally strongly dislike the sound of contemporary pop vocal production but I do think it is intentionally aspiring for an unnatural/hyperreal aesthetic effect as opposed to just being a quick fix for a lack of vocal skill.
― The sensual shock (Sund4r), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 17:19 (two years ago) link
the fact that it's done on reality shows is super weird. I get that they're completely fake but maybe each sentence shouldn't feel like it's cobbled together from 3 different takes?
― frogbs, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 17:54 (two years ago) link
_Just realised I do have a controversial musical opinion, which is that Stars of the Lid are boring as.Sorry to apparently everyone else in the world._No need to apologize. I for one haven’t got a clue who or what they are. Only recognize the name as a thread title. Which also means I’m not controversified obviously.
― Johnny Mathis der Maler (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 17:58 (two years ago) link
sarahell, do you know any documentary editors?
― Not Dork Yet (alternate toke) (morrisp), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 18:12 (two years ago) link
I mean, SotL kind of actively make fun of how boring their music is, otherwise a beautiful swelling track wouldn't be titled "Dungtitled (in A minor)" or "December Hunting for Vegetarian Fuckface." If you don't like ambient music, that's fine, but also I don't have much to say to you about anything.
― we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 18:24 (two years ago) link
xp - voice editors, no. but this is the bullshit opinions thread so it shouldn't matter
― sarahell, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 18:26 (two years ago) link
I get that they're completely fake but maybe each sentence shouldn't feel like it's cobbled together from 3 different takes?
― frogbs, Wednesday, March 9, 2022 9:54 AM (thirty-one minutes ago)
^ gets it
― sarahell, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 18:27 (two years ago) link
It's not just documentaries. I watch movies on headphones on my laptop and it seems like everything I watch contains a few lines that were ADR-ed in with a completely different soundstage, different levels of reverb, etc., etc. And not just action movies where dialogue is being yelled over gunfire and explosions, but regular dramas. It can yank you right out of a scene.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 18:30 (two years ago) link
okay thank you, for a while i'd mention this to people and get blank stares ... it's more irritating in documentaries because they are more focused on people talking with fewer other sonic elements to consider
― sarahell, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 18:36 (two years ago) link
commercials do it a lot too, though this is maybe more defensible because they're trying to fit everything into a tight spot. but it still makes me feel like I'm listening to a robot and not an actual testimonial
I also notice it all the time on YouTube, even with filler words, like "blah blah blah" *cut* "and...uh..." *cut* "blah blah blah"
― frogbs, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 18:44 (two years ago) link
Contra op? Most music docs fucking suck and I don't understand the point of them. There's only like 3 good ones. The Ornette one, the Daniel Johnston one and VU.
― kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 18:47 (two years ago) link
xp my controversial take is that people are lazy now and the skill of combining different takes into a track that sounds natural, including tonal continuity and rhythm of speech is something that is not valued (maybe this is more for unpopular conservative beliefs than this thread)
― sarahell, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 18:55 (two years ago) link
― kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, March 9, 2022 6:47 PM (fifteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
milford graves
― Nedlene Grendel as Basenji Holmo (map), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 19:05 (two years ago) link
Step Across The Border (the Fred Frith doc) is one of my favourite films ever
― flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 19:06 (two years ago) link
Both of those films are as much about "life" as music, of course, reflecting their subjects' perspectives.
― Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 19:24 (two years ago) link
yes, they are good music documentaries
― flow, my crimson tears (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 22:37 (two years ago) link
The Bill Withers one kinda fits in there too.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 23:53 (two years ago) link
Lee Morgan doc, too
― Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 10 March 2022 00:39 (two years ago) link
for the record I thought the Velvets one was just OK
― Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 10 March 2022 00:40 (two years ago) link
The Rodriguez one is cool
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 10 March 2022 00:47 (two years ago) link
Not sure if it can be strictly classified as a music documentary tho
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 10 March 2022 00:48 (two years ago) link
Summer of Soul.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 March 2022 00:48 (two years ago) link
This thread has got me interested in relistening to Stars of the Lid and rewatching Searching for Sugarman
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 10 March 2022 00:51 (two years ago) link
ok the Rodriguez doc is not as good as I remembered it.
is there a thread for music docs recommendations?
Anything here actually worth watching?https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/movie-lists/70-best-music-documentaries-24757/
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 10 March 2022 03:56 (two years ago) link
Stop Making Sense is a fucking classic but it's actually a concert not a documental?
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 10 March 2022 03:57 (two years ago) link
My latest controversial music opinion is that McCoy Tyner's Expansions is every bit as good an album as A Love Supreme and I might even prefer it
(Take that second part with a grain of salt: I've loved ALS for two decades and somehow just heard Expansions this year)
― Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 10 March 2022 04:30 (two years ago) link
A Poem Is a Naked Person is a good doc, the weird chicken/snake thing notwithstanding
― buzza, Thursday, 10 March 2022 06:05 (two years ago) link
I was talking about the Eric Andersen scenes from that movie in another thread. It's funny that, in his review of Les Blank's work, Robert Christgau criticizes Leon Russell's "masscult shtick and flash" which, on the basis of the film, appears to consist of... wearing a top hat onstage? I guess shtick and flash will look different 50 years later.
― Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 10 March 2022 12:49 (two years ago) link
Decline of WesternDon't Look BackNo Direction Homethe Rush oneDaniel Johnson oneDigMetallica
^^are all stellar music docs
― a (waterface), Thursday, 10 March 2022 12:57 (two years ago) link