Almost exactly where I stand; Rushmore is perfect, and a couple of the films from the few years after are good, but zero interest now. I'm up and down with PTA but always interested.
― clemenza, Sunday, 6 March 2022 13:10 (two years ago) link
Wes Anderson more or less does one thing and one thing well (unless you don't like that thing). PTA, you never know what you're going to get, and seems to have fewer affectations. So I guess ... largely what Halfway said. I like them both, but I'm always interested in what PTA is up to, whereas Wes I generally know what I'm in for before I've started the movie. PTA's biggest weak spot is his endings.
This though:
I'll go with PTA since he didn't have a 7 movie run featuring no BIPOC actors.
I don't know if this is necessarily accurate, but regardless, I don't think of either of these directors as particularly diverse or inclusive,
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 6 March 2022 14:02 (two years ago) link
― AlXTC from Paris, Sunday, 6 March 2022 15:27 (two years ago) link
On the basis of Kumar Pallana alone--who's always great--I suspect that's true.
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― clemenza, Sunday, 6 March 2022 15:44 (two years ago) link
there was also Danny Glover in Rushmore, and Darjeeling had several.
I suspect the post was meant as hyperbole and not literally, since the complaint is often that he only employs BIPOC actors in roles as servants or minor supporting roles.
― i read to 69 position (Neanderthal), Sunday, 6 March 2022 15:47 (two years ago) link
both about equally good at their respective things. phantom thread is the best film by either but moonrise kingdom is a personal fav. i'll give them the tie
― ciderpress, Sunday, 6 March 2022 15:51 (two years ago) link
Dont forget Lumi Cavazos is the female lead in Wes Anderson's first film, too! Her character is a maid, but imo its a more three-dimensional role than, for example, i.e. Samuel L Jackson's drug thug in Hard Eight, or Luis Guzman's comic relief in Boogie Nights, etc. Neither Anderson has a ton to be proud of w/bipoc representation, but for some reason people dont set their sights on PTA in the same way.
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Sunday, 6 March 2022 19:38 (two years ago) link
Heck, the lobby boy co-lead of "Grand Budapest Hotel" is a POC, too.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 6 March 2022 21:57 (two years ago) link
Just realizing there's a number of interracial relationships/romances in Wes movies too.
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 6 March 2022 22:15 (two years ago) link
Lindsay Anderson crushes both this poll and this thread.
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 00:11 (two years ago) link
PTA for sure. I still look forward to seeing his stuff (Liquorice Pizza hasn't reached me yet), whereas I haven't watched a new WA film in over a decade.
― Les hommes de bonbons (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 00:43 (two years ago) link
Since The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou I’ve always expected to be irritated by each next Wes Anderson film, but they have all been charming to me and have transcended accusations of triteness (I haven’t seen The French Dispatch yet). PT Anderson has made films with more gravity but they are so often alienating. I guess PTA has made more significant films historically, but not by much imo
― Dan S, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 01:23 (two years ago) link
Just guessing, but I think that gap will widen over time as reflected in the TSPDY Top 1000 list. Currently:
PTA - #163, 252, 423, 434 (Punch-Drunk Love?--doubt that'll last), 485.
WA - #536, 591 (nothing since Tenenbaums)
― clemenza, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 01:41 (two years ago) link
regarding the Z’s
Zyagintsev’s Leviathan and Loveless are both really great films, as are Yimou Zhang’s Raise the Red Lantern and Red Sorghum. Haven’t heard of Zilnik or Zurlini. Want to see Zulawski’s Possession.
― Dan S, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 01:52 (two years ago) link
sorry to go off topic
― Dan S, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 01:54 (two years ago) link
Zissou!
― clemenza, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 01:57 (two years ago) link
that movie is underrated
― treeship., Tuesday, 8 March 2022 01:57 (two years ago) link
"please don't make fun of me. i just wanted to flirt with you."
― treeship., Tuesday, 8 March 2022 01:58 (two years ago) link
― clemenza, Monday, March 7, 2022 5:41 PM
PTA is overrated and WA underrated
― Dan S, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 02:30 (two years ago) link
There def are too many PTA movies in the TSPDT top 1,000.
― Max Hamburgers (Eric H.), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 02:34 (two years ago) link
Ernie Anderson
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 02:35 (two years ago) link
Roy Andersson
― Max Hamburgers (Eric H.), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 02:36 (two years ago) link
(Didn't realize until looking thru the TSPDT director list that PTA and WA were also born only about a year apart, too.)
― Max Hamburgers (Eric H.), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 02:38 (two years ago) link
Outside of Kubrick, is there a director more likely to inspire list-making than PTA?http://www.tasteofcinema.com/2022/all-9-paul-thomas-anderson-movies-ranked-from-worst-to-best/
― Max Hamburgers (Eric H.), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 15:07 (two years ago) link
PTA because he made the good choice to not direct Darjeeling Limited
― rob, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 15:12 (two years ago) link
Theyre both equally repetitive, but WA has chosen a template thats harder to screw up, whereas with PTA movies if he doesnt thread the needle perfectly the whole thing falls to shit.
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 15:20 (two years ago) link
i was surprised at nearly every placement on that PTA list!
― ryan, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 17:13 (two years ago) link
yeah that's a pretty challopsy list
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 17:23 (two years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Sunday, 13 March 2022 00:01 (two years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Monday, 14 March 2022 00:01 (two years ago) link
I think I forgot to vote, toss another on the “I like them roughly the same” pile
― Max Hamburgers (Eric H.), Monday, 14 March 2022 00:32 (two years ago) link
Margaret Yang!
Somewhere Zhang Yuan sheds a tear.
― gjoon1, Tuesday, 15 March 2022 01:22 (two years ago) link
Never mind that I also left out Zeffirelli, Zinnemann, Zanussi, Zemeckis, Zetc. Zetc.
― Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 15 March 2022 02:37 (two years ago) link