Belle and Sebastian - A Bit of Previous

omg

I'm feeling this. Haven't really listened to them since TLP as I'd assumed from whatever I heard afterwards sounded like spinning wheels, but this is good!

girls in peacetime is massively underrated. other records ok

Is it just me, though? Lots of "Stop Me If You've Heard This One Before"? (An ironic title in this case.) Even the harmonica stuff works as a Marr nod.

But yeah, I like this, and I, too, can't recall a note from anything after "The Life Pursuit," after which I had officially Had Enough.

"i didn't see it coming" is also a huge jam that shouldn't be forgotten

Write About Love was the last one I really connected with. Third Eye Center had some great tracks, but it started to feel like they were just going through the motions with Girls in Peacetime. Not poorly, just not with a lot of enthusiasm either. In that sense, this new song doesn't sound like much of a departure. It sounds fine and I'll check out the album out of loyalty, but I'm not expecting any revelations (and maybe that's their point by now).

iirc people rejected girls in peacetime for the dance-pop which is clearly not them going through the motions??? idk what this thread is on about

Third Eye Centre always baffled me for the perversity of not including the original version of "Your Covers Blown", their best non-album track from that period

I keep on thinking, "there's no way this band is still putting out good music", and then listening to their new stuff and enjoying it. New song sounds great to me, their great melodic sense carrying through a harder rock style.

Nobody’s Empire is up there with their best work. Looking forward to this, though underwhelmed on first listen.

That harmonica is a bit of a nuisance.

^Yeah, agree about the harmonica but other than that, solid as ever. Girls In Peacetime is definitely underrated; "Play For Today" is one of their towering masterpieces

THIRD EYE CENTRE is not really a 'proper LP'.

HOW TO SOLVE OUR HUMAN PROBLEMS comes closer to being a proper LP, the one between GIPWTD and this new one.

I must admit, I don't own THIRD EYE CENTRE and this reminds me that I really should.

Went off them for years and ignored Girls In Peacetime until a couple of years ago... Nobody's Empire is indeed as good as they have ever been

Don't agree with that, but glad if anyone plays and likes that LP. (I play it a lot.)

Lol just put on "Girls In Peacetime ... " and tbh if I ever listened to this record at all I don't remember a single note so far. But it's good!

For a long time now, their albums sound best if you wait at least 3 years after they're released before listening to them.

Realised what the intro to the single reminds me of and it is 'Church of the Poison Mind' by Culture Club.

Bingo.

Surely this is their best video ever? God, I hope the whole album sounds like this.

What the heck is the newish bloke with the moustache gazing at in the rafters? A stuffed bird or something?

Still not really feeling this after a week. I approve of the harmonica though.

New song from the album set to photos from Ukraine and benefitting the Red Cross. Wasn't sure when I was told about it, but I think it's turned out quite powerful

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcwqBdXVLvg

these new tracks are a lot better than i was expecting from them at this point

Okay, "If They're Shooting At You" is more uncouraging imho.

I really quite liked at least half of the Human Problems tracks and (and Peacetime was overwhelmingly solid) so I guess never really gave up on B&S, despite routinely going many years between actually listening to them lol.

Oh,this is also out today, I think I'm more excited to listen to this than Arcade Fire.

I can't seem to get through it without getting distracted and forgetting it's playing. But then I remember B&SWAL being a bit like that at first too, so...

I've been listening to this LP.

The sound is solid and glossy as they usually are now.

The melodies seem to be present.

Maybe what I am missing actually is lyrics that break through.

1 Young and Stupid: I like this and some of the lyrics do actually reach me, but it's blighted by a dire spoken word ending.

2 If They’re Shooting at You: I like the idea of B&S playing soul, the melody is here, but still not sure this works so well.

3 Talk to Me Talk to Me: fast and not that enjoyable I think.

Most of the others not so memorable yet.

8 Come on Home: I think this is the swinging one, a bit like 'nice day for a sulk' if you like, and I quite enjoy it, a highlight.

10 Deathbed of My Dreams: Stevie Jackson sings - bad.

I'm afraid that I still do not enjoy the voices of Jackson and Martin, at least on lead vocals.

I like Sara's vocals, she's limited but has really come into her own, some of my favourite tracks over the last 15 years have been hers.

I have never liked Stevie's vocals at all, and my position on this has only hardened with the passage of time.

I gave it a couple of listens. It was pleasant but maybe not enough there to make me come back to it

"Do It For Your Country" I quite enjoy for the vocal, tune, music, though I can't yet tell what the intense lyric is getting at.

The disco? sound of "Prophets on Hold" is not exciting me so much right now.

"Working Boy in NYC" has become my keeper from this LP - I love the descending flute figure, Stewpot's cracked and faltering voice riding down on the lines "Listen to the music of the traffic in the city / Singing to the hope inside you".

Though admittedly the lyrics - "Pray, gay, you are the holy boy outside the scriptures" - are quite clunky/platitudinous/quietist.

Just heard the song again and though I don't necessarily get the lyrics yet, I think poster Piedie Gimbel has a point - that flute melody which is also the vocal melody is a high point to end this LP.

Tiny desk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWEqYj3OOoo

They perform "Working Boy in NYC" in their set, so maybe the band holds that song in similar regard.

I always say this sort of thing, but they could use some of that slightly looser feel on the album.

I'm feeling exactly the same but... it's hard to imagine a release generating less interest than this one.

I only just recently heard about the last one!

I think I agree with poster Nag!. That is, the B&S record sound now seems to be slick, tight, seamless - airless? - and I think I would like more looseness, space, liveness.

Today I read some of the lyrics. While I tend to agree with the favour for 'working boy in NYC', I'm not entirely clear what the song is about, and the very brief line 'Hey / gay' is not a highlight.

I'm not sure what other songs are about either.

Some of the songs seem to hint at some kind of 'domestic crisis', but I'm unsure whether this refers to a literal crisis for Stuart Murdoch, or anyone else, or is simply fictional, and if I think about it, I don't actually want to know about any real-world background.

Late Developers:

01 Juliet Naked
02 Give a Little Time
03 When We Were Very Young
04 Will I Tell You a Secret
05 So in the Moment
06 The Evening Star
07 When You’re Not With Me
08 I Don’t Know What You See in Me
09 Do You Follow
10 When the Cynics Stare Back From the Wall
11 Late Developers

Out January 13, 2023 via Matador.

A sequel to A Bit of Previous and from the same sessions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2vxHl57syY

Late Developers often feels like a summing-up statement for Belle and Sebastian’s 25-year-plus career. “I do feel that maybe we’re at the end of an arc or a chapter or an era or something,” Murdoch says. “I think, in a sense, putting these two LPs out might be the last thing we’ll do for a while.”

Worrying that the first track appears to be named after a Nick Hornby novel.

Mad how bad that new song is!

I have met Stuart Murdoch several times socially and he always comes across a little vague and lost. Not interested in any music (or anything else) that you wouldn't expect him to be, saying the same things he probably said 20 years ago. He'll take maybe a tablespoon of wine in a glass and somehow sip at that for an hour, and all the while it's obvious he cannot wait until he's done enough time and can get away. I sympathise with this awkardness very much. But it makes it impossible for me to listen to modern Belle & Sebastian, smothered as it is in the same sense of enervation set to weirdly listless, straight "pop".

Ha, I prefer that single to most of “Previous”

Been quite open to a lot of their slicker stuff but what we have here is Eiffel 65

I like it! To me it seems like it's on a continuum with "Electronic Renaissance"

"La ba dee, la dab a dee
la dab a dee, la dab a dah"
would make a great inner arm script tattoo.

I'm loving this album!

and I don't hear enervation at all

could not make it through the last album, but kind of liked the first song on this one.

https://www.stereogum.com/2211519/belle-and-sebastian-cancel-north-american-tour-due-to-stuart-murdochs-health/news/

That's too bad. I also heard somewhere else (maybe it was this thread or maybe it was somewhere on social media) that Stuart intimated this might be the last B&S album for a while. Hoping it's not as serious as all that intimates.

Heard the new song, or a new song, on 6music. It didn't sound good.

I like both of these new albums now, wasn't expecting to. I don't love them but I like them fine enough.

i believe Stuart has ehlers danlos syndrome, poor fellow, hope he turns out alright.

New album is an unexpected kick. Sorry to hear that Stuart's ill.

Sad news, hoping Stuart recovers ASAP.

I'm hearing "I Don't Know What You See In Me" for the first time and getting T Swift 1989 vibes.