The Replacements: Classic or Dud?

There's a bunch of very tuneful and impassioned ballads in the Descendents' stuff. but it's often hellaciously misogynist too.

I have fond memories of Silly Girl, Sour Grapes, Clean Sheets and Bikeage from when I was a teen but I listen to them now and the "I hate you bitch" vibe between the lines is pretty noxious.

my controversial opinion is the best Descendents's best album is 96's Everything Sucks

Still infected with the noxious friendzone bullshit but as always they make it catchy

Some great tunes on that one, no question

The Replacements feel like the smoking, drinking, disaffected fuck-up burnouts at school compared to the Descendents who are farting, junk food eating nerds who think they're smarter and better than the burnouts but in fact are angry misogynist assholes in the modern gamergate / incell / "nice guy" sort of way.

my controversial opinion is the best Descendents's best album is 96's Everything Sucks

It was almost like their "Some Girls".

The Replacements feel like the smoking, drinking, disaffected fuck-up burnouts at school compared to the Descendents who are farting, junk food eating nerds who think they're smarter and better than the burnouts but in fact are angry misogynist assholes in the modern gamergate / incell / "nice guy" sort of way.

Yes, this, definitely.

Though the Mats could probably actually ruin your life, whereas you'd simply block the Descendents on Twitter and never think of them again.

especially after Milo went to college

Hello why do you think I loved the Replacements with all of my tiny foolish heart and didn’t have any time whatsoever for Descendants??? But for evading the misogyny trap no one beats the Dü ❤️

yeah I was listening to some Descendants last year for the first time in years and it was pretty shocking how much they scan to modern incel stuff

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I honestly only know the super short food songs.

I only know the cover of “Wendy” from the SST Duck & Cover comp. They seemed like weenies.

not necessarily saying this is a good thing, but I think there's a very good argument to be made that they are the most influential punk band of all time

This thread's making me scared to go back to my ALL records.

But for evading the misogyny trap no one beats the Dü ❤️

oh hells yeah

I thought that first Descendants album and first EP were great, but I think I'll pretend they split up after that rather than finding out for myself what I "missed."

This thread prompted me to relisten to Milo Goes to College for the first time since the 80s. Tight playing, catchy melodies, wonderfully snotty vocals, but yeah some really repulsive views of sexuality.

Ugh...looking through lyrics as it's a different experience to read all of them clearly but I feel like I just died a little bit inside. Maybe I'll just pretend "Weinerschnitzel" was the only thing they ever released.

Shared a cigarette for breakfast
Shared an airplane ride for lunch

Great track. Should've made Dead Man's Pop instead of "Back to Back."

Wait, it’s not on that?

It is, but as a bonus track, not the album proper.

I should say, Dead Man's Pop (had it gotten a final mix back in the day) should've come out, not Don't Tell a Soul, and on top of that, they should've swapped out "Back to Back" for "Portland."

"We Know the Night" would've been nice too, but according to Wallace they erased the full-band performance so it's lost forever. The version that survives is great, but I don't think they would've used it on a final album.

Dead Man’s Poop more like it.

Dead Man’s Pop definitely shoulda come out, but I don’t think there was any way that was gonna happen. The sound of it (the recent-ish mix, that is) is far more dry than that of PTMM or even Tim. And a dry-sounding record in 1989 was a non-starter if you wanted a hit, which they did, and almost got (“I’ll Be You” stalled at #51). DTAS got them more exposure than they’d ever had; without the digital-reverb-drenched gated-drum sound, no Petty tour, no regular MTV rotation, no radio play.

With the benefit of hindsight, Wallace and Jason Jones both suggested something that was plausible - Lord-Alge should've mixed the singles. There was precedent for that, both in the Replacements camp and elsewhere on Sire/WB's roster. So slap the Lord-Alge mix on to both the singles sent to the radio stations and the music video, but let Wallace take care of the album. (I don't think a tiny bit more echo would've hurt had Wallace gone that route too, which is plausible based on his work elsewhere.)

I always like the Replacements, but some days, like today, I absolutely love them. And almost any day, for whatever reason, "Don't Tell A Soul" is the one I reach for first. I *think* it was the first one I heard, because it was contemporary, but regardless, I really like it.

I'm glad DTAS has its devotees. I'm like that with Tim, which was likewise my first Mats record. I definitely came back around to DTAS after Dead Man's Pop, it helped me connect with some of the songs I'd shrugged at. "Anywhere Is Better Than Here" e.g., is much more of a stomping rock song without the layers of acoustic guitars and whatever else is on there.

Yeah, in the right situation, "Anywhere Is Better Than Here" is a really great song to put on when you're massively pissed off.

Talent Show is a really good way to kick off a record

I feel that way about "Pleased To Meet Me", my introduction to the band and favorite even though "Let It Be" and "Tim" are clearly better records.

"Dead Man's Pop" completely redeems "Don't Tell A Soul" for me, removing the awful production and adding some much-needed oomph to many tracks.

I am in my 50s and stuff like "Unsatisfied", "Answering Machine" and many others still resonate, differently now than when I was 20 of course but still have tremendous power.

Talent Show is a really good way to kick off a record

I enjoy a few songs on each of their records. "Rock 'n' Roll Ghost" is their best Sister Lovers pastiche, but Game Theory have a half-a-dozen better songs in the same mode.

Which?

Mary Magdalene
Any Other Hand
Where You Going Northern
Regenisraen
Together Now, Very Minor
Initiations Week

...and more if I included the Loud Family. I first heard of the band from a review in Spin of Lolita Nation which said they had hooks that Bryan Adams and the Replacements would kill for, though I was probably more intrigued by the mention of Roxy Music.

Those Game Theory songs and "Rock & Roll Ghost" may have had the same inspiration -- Sister Lovers -- but Game Theory were stone anglophiles in ways the 'mats never were. So with "Ghost" Westerberg nails the stark mood/ambiance of Sister Lovers, but isn't trying for the same hooky melodic sweetness. Even though the 'mats worshipped Beatle-worshippers Big Star, I can't think of a single 'mats song off the top of my head that I could call "Beatle-esque." I can think of at least 10 Game Theory (and Big Star) songs that fit that description.

Good point, and of course Scott Miller valued aesthetic "tidiness" much more than Westerberg.

Good description.

Saw a picture of a high school friend with Scott Miller. Believe he was in a band with Miller’s wife. Maybe I should compare notes with when my friends and I met the ‘Mats at The Grotto in New Haven. Alex Chilton was a no-show.

otm re "tidiness." And Miller's voice was mellifluous -- I can't imagine Paul navigating, I dunno, "Penny Lane" or something, but I can easily hear Miller nailing it.

I can't think of a single 'mats song off the top of my head that I could call "Beatle-esque."

Mr. Whirly

D'oh!

“Waitress in the Sky” sounds like Lennon could’ve penned it.

Ha! re: "Mr. Whirly"

BUT...was it directly inspired by the Beatles? Or by Tomorrow (featuring Bob's fave guitarist, Steve Howe)?

Compare the intros:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6gqN9HSa7U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TBwM6oz3Bg

This was posted elsewhere by Jason Jones at Rhino but apparently we shouldn't expect a Hootenanny box set due to lack of material. Bummer.

Unexpectedly, "The Twisted Art of Chris Mars"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lmaw2DDeCQc

(Side note: Horseshoes and Hand Grenades is better than any Paul Westerberg album.)

Juxtapoz magazine did a lovely profile on Mars which focused solely on his incredible art at least 20 years ago. His pieces can sell for $25kUSD+, and I’m sure he’s made far more from them than he ever did in The Replacements

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This ranking is pretty good imo but I'd move Hootenanny up from 6 to 4.

https://www.spin.com/2023/09/every-replacements-album-ranked/