here we are. dante’s semantic purgatory.
― Fizzles, Friday, 25 February 2022 19:57 (two years ago) link
990s would be paradiso tbf.
980s are “you still need to make another jump fucko”
Without giving too much away I'm stuck in a cul de sac of love, what about you?
― ledge, Friday, 25 February 2022 20:52 (two years ago) link
I solved Semantle #27 in 143 guesses. My first guess had a similarity of 3.62. My first word in the top 1000 was at guess #7. My penultimate guess had a similarity of 46.47 (987/1000). https://semantle.novalis.org/Had to resort to Roget in the end.
― ledge, Friday, 25 February 2022 20:55 (two years ago) link
xxp That's the annoying thing, sometimes 980s are "another jump fucko" and sometimes they're "this word has a lot of synonyms, try them all". Hell, sometimes 998 is "another jump fucko, this time at right angles, possibly through a dimension you can't see".
Anyway I got today's earlier but then I checked this thread and couldn't remember the answer so I went to the site, typed a few guesses I remembered passing through earlier and still couldn't jog my memory, so pressed "give up", and then realised I'd buggered up my stats with a "gave up" (did it on work PC earlier, on laptop now). Not that it matters.
― a passing spacecadet, Friday, 25 February 2022 21:01 (two years ago) link
Without giving too much away I'm stuck in a cul de sac of [Hidden text. Tap to view], what about you?
― Fizzles, Friday, 25 February 2022 21:15 (two years ago) link
Various xps: yeah i still don’t get how pretty tight synonyms can sometimes score so low - like, does the neural net write a different hierarchy of associations based on its selected primary definition? So if it’s looking for say, “croak” (frog sound) then it won’t be interested in “die” of “perish” - sorry if this is dumb or incoherent, still learning to think like a computer here
― lemmy incaution (emsworth), Friday, 25 February 2022 21:39 (two years ago) link
There is some mention on the site about polysemy* causing low scores - I guess the multiple uses mean they're found in different contexts more often and therefore aren't counted as semantically similar. Whereas a usual English-speaking brain would count the meanings additively, the computer penalises them via subtraction. Or something.
(Interestingly, 'polysemous' is not an accepted word in the corpus.)
― emil.y, Saturday, 26 February 2022 00:08 (two years ago) link
Aw, nuts! I forgot to finish yesterday’s puzzle, which I woulda likely nailed in a few more guesses. My first guess was “love”, which I think was in the top 100? Green anyway. And I got to the 990s pretty quick. Anyhow, no braggin rights.
― war mice (hardcore dilettante), Saturday, 26 February 2022 00:24 (two years ago) link
8 sleep -1.14 (cold)
are negatives supposed to be possible?
― ✖, Saturday, 26 February 2022 00:27 (two years ago) link
xps, I think it depends on what contexts it sees most in its corpus of example sentences, which the FAQ says are mostly taken from news articles?
So it doesn't deliberately pick a specific meaning of "croak" but it probably won't rate "croak"/"die" very high as it would be unlikely to appear with that meaning in many of its sample news articles. Meanwhile, there'll be a lot of words with more obviously similar meanings to "die" which it will have grouped "die" with instead.
Or the other day, when the word was "level" it didn't rate "flat" or "even" very highly although they're close synonyms in one not-very-newsworthy context but the 900s were full of words which might appear before "level" in news articles like "higher", "lower", "raise" etc.
(OK, the "before" part still mystifies me, regarding when it scores synonyms highly, vs not necessarily same-in-meaning but interchangeable-in-sentence words like antonyms, vs words which might appear nearby or just in the same sorts of article.)
This is basically what emil.y said except longer and less clear, but I don't think it deliberately subtracts scores for multiple meanings, it's just the algorithm doesn't understand multiple meanings at all, so the meanings it doesn't see as often don't rate highly at all. But I guess it may also penalise even the most common meaning, because there's effectively more noise in the data set from the meanings it doesn't know what to do with.
― a passing spacecadet, Saturday, 26 February 2022 00:33 (two years ago) link
I solved Semantle #28 in 145 guesses. My first guess had a similarity of 11.67. My first word in the top 1000 was at guess #63. My penultimate guess had a similarity of 74.70 (999/1000). https://semantle.novalis.org/
― sorry Mario, but our princess is in another butthole (Neanderthal), Saturday, 26 February 2022 00:57 (two years ago) link
I had guesses that had negative relations wtf
― sorry Mario, but our princess is in another butthole (Neanderthal), Saturday, 26 February 2022 00:59 (two years ago) link
nice job...i struuuggled w/ #28, didnt even get in the green and tapped out @ 183 guesses
― johnny crunch, Saturday, 26 February 2022 01:06 (two years ago) link
very stuck on 995
― ✖, Saturday, 26 February 2022 01:25 (two years ago) link
Re negatives: I adjusted the similarity algorithm today to be more correct (that's what I get for copy-pasting code!). And as of a few seconds ago I have adjusted the intro text to explain the range.
It's technically "cosine similarity" (multiplied by 100), if that means anything to you.
― David Turner (semantle), Saturday, 26 February 2022 01:40 (two years ago) link
I solved Semantle #28 in 193 guesses. My first guess had a similarity of 1.94. My first word in the top 1000 was at guess #56. My penultimate guess had a similarity of 74.70 (999/1000).
this game makes me feel like a gigantic dumb lug googling "words related to politics"
― ✖, Saturday, 26 February 2022 01:49 (two years ago) link
Thanks for explanation David! And thanks for this awesome game!
― sorry Mario, but our princess is in another butthole (Neanderthal), Saturday, 26 February 2022 01:54 (two years ago) link
158. Tough one!
― Roz, Saturday, 26 February 2022 02:18 (two years ago) link
tonight I had help from a friend who wanted to play, so it was more of a two-pronged effort.
― sorry Mario, but our princess is in another butthole (Neanderthal), Saturday, 26 February 2022 02:55 (two years ago) link
I solved Semantle #28 in 647 guesses. My first guess had a similarity of -4.23. My first word in the top 1000 was at guess #315. My penultimate guess had a similarity of 16.84. https://semantle.novalis.org/
Took me over 300 guesses to get into the top 1000. with "animus" of all things
― adam t. (abanana), Saturday, 26 February 2022 03:17 (two years ago) link
I solved Semantle #28 in 111 guesses. My first guess had a similarity of 2.99. My first word in the top 1000 was at guess #26. My penultimate guess had a similarity of 74.70 (999/1000)
fun one that, good journey
― nxd, Saturday, 26 February 2022 03:28 (two years ago) link
Jumped from not on the list to 999/1000, and then got the answer due to a habit of trying variations that has never paid off before.
― vcrash, Saturday, 26 February 2022 05:32 (two years ago) link
gross today!!
― lemmy incaution (emsworth), Saturday, 26 February 2022 07:47 (two years ago) link
I solved Semantle #28 in 109 guesses. My first guess had a similarity of 6.42. My first word in the top 1000 was at guess #6. My penultimate guess had a similarity of 74.70 (999/1000). https://semantle.novalis.org/
Fuck, I should have got it in the 20s, took me having political, philosophical, theological and cultural all up there before it clicked, and then it was so obvious. Gah. Not sure my insomnia-ridden brain helped either.
― emil.y, Saturday, 26 February 2022 09:21 (two years ago) link
ok got it in an embarrassingly large no of guesses - smashed my head against a wall forever with half the top ten and totally stuck, then came back to it between sets at a gig and got it immediately argh!
― lemmy incaution (emsworth), Saturday, 26 February 2022 10:23 (two years ago) link
After a lot of dithering in the cold mid-20s, I crashed straight into the top 1000 at 945, leapt immediately up to 999, and have been stuck there ever since.
― mike t-diva, Saturday, 26 February 2022 10:45 (two years ago) link
I solved Semantle #28 in 98 guesses - my first successful one in a while.My first guess had a similarity of 31.24 - thanks, I guess, to Putin-caused current events.My first word in the top 1000 was ”hatred” at guess #13 - and I got to 425 at #29 with “propaganda”, but couldn’t get past there for ages. It was guess #81 ”polarize” that provided the necessary course correction to steer me into the home straight.My penultimate guess had a similarity of 74.70 (999/1000). https://semantle.novalis.org/
― celebrating ten years of constant posting (breastcrawl), Saturday, 26 February 2022 11:45 (two years ago) link
leapt immediately up to 999, and have been stuck there ever since.
― celebrating ten years of constant posting (breastcrawl), Saturday, 26 February 2022 11:52 (two years ago) link
Fuck. Have got 993 and still can't crack it. This game is taking over my life.
― Zelda Zonk, Saturday, 26 February 2022 12:21 (two years ago) link
OK, cracked it 115.
― Zelda Zonk, Saturday, 26 February 2022 13:00 (two years ago) link
Well, that was a little lucky: I solved Semantle #28 in 22 guesses. My first guess had a similarity of 6.42. My first word in the top 1000 was at guess #9. My penultimate guess had a similarity of 53.67 (983/1000). https://semantle.novalis.org/
― war mice (hardcore dilettante), Saturday, 26 February 2022 16:00 (two years ago) link
I got the 995 blues.
― ledge, Saturday, 26 February 2022 16:31 (two years ago) link
yeah me too.Yesterday's I was so close to getting, I think I probably assumed I'd already done all versions of that word, but hadn't.
― kinder, Saturday, 26 February 2022 16:33 (two years ago) link
Oh, FINALLY. My big blind spot was discounting adjectives and assuming nouns - I must have guessed every "ism" there is.
― mike t-diva, Saturday, 26 February 2022 17:04 (two years ago) link
I thought I'd guessed every ist or equivalent but I guess not.
― ledge, Saturday, 26 February 2022 18:56 (two years ago) link
the answer to this thread's title is: no, I can't. I give up.
― StanM, Saturday, 26 February 2022 19:37 (two years ago) link
I gave up. top guess was 'political', must have entered every political persuasion bar cornish independence; I did try to think more generally and I had 'dogmatic' but couldn't make the link.
― ledge, Saturday, 26 February 2022 21:17 (two years ago) link
I solved Semantle #29 in 107 guesses. My first guess had a similarity of 6.42. My first word in the top 1000 was at guess #82. My penultimate guess had a similarity of 47.24 (581/1000).
― ✖, Sunday, 27 February 2022 00:15 (two years ago) link
wacky one, took me 82 guesses to get in the green and then 4 guesses later i had 999, and then i honestly thought i might not get it. expected it to be something directly related to violins at least, especially after yesterday had 996-999 all some variation of the answer itself
― ✖, Sunday, 27 February 2022 00:19 (two years ago) link
Got it in 44. Pretty straightforward once you get into green
― Zelda Zonk, Sunday, 27 February 2022 00:33 (two years ago) link
Gave up on #28 but got #29 in 44 as well. Guessed a cluster of words in the twenties having to do with writing, got from there to poetic, which was almost in the green, and from there it was an easy few jumps to lyrical --> musician --> music --> guitar --> piano.
― Lily Dale, Sunday, 27 February 2022 00:37 (two years ago) link
Yep, followed a very similar route
― Zelda Zonk, Sunday, 27 February 2022 00:42 (two years ago) link
I solved Semantle #29 in 21 guesses. My first guess had a similarity of 4.58. My first word in the top 1000 was at guess #9. My penultimate guess had a similarity of 8.79. https://semantle.novalis.org/
dumb luck but felt good
― johnny crunch, Sunday, 27 February 2022 01:02 (two years ago) link
I always guess "tree" first. only cos it gets me going and often ranges between 8-10 percentile
― sorry Mario, but our princess is in another butthole (Neanderthal), Sunday, 27 February 2022 01:03 (two years ago) link
holy fuck, that was the easiest one for me yet
I solved Semantle #29 in 39 guesses. My first guess had a similarity of 13.99. My first word in the top 1000 was at guess #39. My penultimate guess had a similarity of 0.71. https://semantle.novalis.org/
― sorry Mario, but our princess is in another butthole (Neanderthal), Sunday, 27 February 2022 01:09 (two years ago) link
only got in the top 1000 once...when I guessed the word.
that is awesome!
― ✖, Sunday, 27 February 2022 01:11 (two years ago) link
all of my guesses had to do with vehicles, and then pedal almost got me into the top 1000, but other things like 'pedal' weren't working, so I thought of a pedal for a piano, and...that was it
― sorry Mario, but our princess is in another butthole (Neanderthal), Sunday, 27 February 2022 01:11 (two years ago) link