"I also had to wonder again about where all these reactionaries actually are. Maybe I live in a rarified world, but I don't know anyone who thinks albums are intrinsically superior to singles. I'm not sure I've ever met a person who espouses that much-pilloried view about singers not having written the songs they sing being inauthentic and thereby lesser."
Yes Simon, you do in fact live in a rarified world. The attitudes you describe are still in full effect and believed by most consumers in a knee-jerk way. The reason people priviledge those things (or variations of those things) and treat those beliefs as natural is because they form the very basis of western values - i.e. rockism doesn't just come from the rise and study of popular music, it is a symptom of a larger cultural tendency. To think that rockism no longer exists in one form or another is a fantasy.
― i'm from hollywood, Saturday, 13 May 2006 04:39 (seventeen years ago) link
All I would add is that anti-rockism is exactly like deconstruction (or maybe simply is deconstruction?), useful in its historical moment, or as a stage in an individual's personal history, as an anti-schlerotic of thought... but very much about the elimination of reasons to value, care, feel passionate, get worked up, etc. Its logic is one of discrediting ie. eroding the basis of beliefs, and indeed of belief itself, in favour of a pleasure-principled agnosticism. The net effect tends to be a kind of negative egalitarianism: not that all things become equally valued/valid, but that all things become equally trivial. (And that logic dovetails with aspects of late capitalism, digital culture, mp3/ipod/etc etc).
I don't know about anyone else, but reading that take I think not only is there nothing per se negative about what he outlines to me -- as much as there are implications otherwise, obv. -- but that the idea of 'a pleasure-principled agnosticism' is kinda my idea of a dream!
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 13 May 2006 04:53 (seventeen years ago) link
-- Tim (tfinne...) (webmail), May 3rd, 2001 1:00 AM. (link)
Jeez, years later, but if you still think so, I would ask why you feel that radical feminist theory has to be taken into account. Or: How does radical feminist theory (if that is indeed what is being employed in this book) result in anything resembling fairness or truth in The Sex Revolts?
Much of the book seemed to me to be a ploy, framing male behavior as one of two possibilities: 1) PHALLOCENTRIC or 2) the womb-fixated baby. This is not feminism aimed at empowering women, but rather to merely disempower men.
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 13 May 2006 04:55 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 13 May 2006 04:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― xero (xero), Saturday, 13 May 2006 13:50 (seventeen years ago) link
I think you're right that the book (quite explicitly) splits male-performed music into those two ostensibly dichotomous positions, and in doing so it doesn't make any attempt to give a well-rounded assessment of the music in question, instead skewing it towards the notions expresed in the banner it has been grouped under.
...but I wouldn't go so far as to say that it "disempowers men". The message I got from the book was "gender fucks us up (men and women) and this can result in good, interesting music."
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 13 May 2006 22:09 (seventeen years ago) link
The idea that the book involves an underlying "ploy" of attempting to "disempower men" comes mainly from this branch of their dichotomy - painting males with a broad swath as "mother's boys," closet babies, "castrated," "sublimated," etc.
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 13 May 2006 23:39 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 14 May 2006 00:35 (seventeen years ago) link
I don't think they argue that though. Their schematics are just one way to characterise the music covered. I don't think they're pretending that their readings in this book are anything other than highly specific, partial and explicitly not comprehensive.
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 14 May 2006 08:13 (seventeen years ago) link
That is what I got out of that book, which I like a lot in spite of its obvious flaws.
― sleeve (sleeve), Sunday, 14 May 2006 08:47 (seventeen years ago) link
Or how about this:
"The leading edge in rock has been those bands that have intensified semiotic elements (chromaticism, noise) at the expense of structure (verse/chorus/middle eight narrative, the 'proper' ranking of instruments in the mix, which usually favors the voice and the lyrics). In fact, the emotionally regressive (that's to say, womb-fixated) seems to go hand in hand with formal progression: both share an impulse to transgress and transcend established limits."
I hardly see this as a partial reading. They are trying to suggest that ALL formal progression in rock is an act of emotional regression and code for womb-fixation.
Any melancholic music made by men (who have "castrated themselves" - taken "the soft option") falls in this category also: "For Kristeva, melancholy is 'the most archaic expression of a non-symbolisable, unnameable narcissistic wound'--in other words, the loss of mother." Again, I see this as a part of this book's ploy: painting men as closet babies.
All energetic music made by MEN, on the other hand, is, of course, "hormonal."
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 14 May 2006 15:27 (seventeen years ago) link
Trying to cram everything into their paradigm, they make very objectionable personal statements about artists also. To strengthen the womb-fixation paradigm, for example, they state that Jimi Hendrix, Brian Jones, Syd Barrett and Sid Vicious were part of "a lineage of rock heroes who allegedly had an unusually charged relationship with their mothers."
"Allegedly"
"Unusually charged"
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 14 May 2006 15:37 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alba (Alba), Sunday, 14 May 2006 16:28 (seventeen years ago) link
I think he lives in a rarified world.
― curmudgeon (DC Steve), Monday, 15 May 2006 04:17 (seventeen years ago) link
― Makrugaik (makrugaik), Monday, 15 May 2006 15:08 (seventeen years ago) link
expoused
dated for more
Alan Jones
Say what you like about Reynolds, but at least he can spell.
Otherwise I miss the point of your post, be there any. Seems to me that "nostalgic meandering" is right up your street.
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 06:38 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 06:42 (seventeen years ago) link
"An approach that treats "Smells Like Teen Spirit," "Chime", "One In A Million", "Who Am I?", "___", as equally exceptional--flashes of form that may or may not carry content in the traditionally valorized sense as part of their arsenal of impact, but that always create content through the audio-social ripples and cultural shockwaves they trigger.
I need to come up with a snappy name for this approach, this sensibility..."
... and I think, "yes, it's called anti-rockism!!!!"
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 07:49 (seventeen years ago) link
(I know CoM is the elephant in Blissblog's living room, but even so...)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:00 (seventeen years ago) link
who does he think his target market is ffs? his whole steez is aimed at students of all ages -- that's fine, but who is he trying to kid here?
― the confusing situation Enrique currently endures (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:03 (seventeen years ago) link
Marcello, I pretty much agree - Church of Me is an excellent example of how a music critic can be fiercely judgmental about music without having to limit yrself as a listener.
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:32 (seventeen years ago) link
― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 09:20 (seventeen years ago) link
Haha, Marcello, I think there are so many elephants in Blissblog's living room right now there's hardly room to move...
― Eppy (Eppy), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 14:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 14:06 (seventeen years ago) link
― Eppy (Eppy), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 14:08 (seventeen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 14:11 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 14:11 (seventeen years ago) link
― Eppy (Eppy), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 14:12 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 14:18 (seventeen years ago) link
― Breean Weldrick (weldrick), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 11:32 (seventeen years ago) link
― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 11:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 11:36 (seventeen years ago) link
UPDATE
* Hay Festival Saturday May 26; location-- the British Legion: ---6pm: 'To Hell with Mike Read' rock quiz with me (supplying postpunk questions), Nick Kent, John Harris. ---8pm: 'To Hell with Music Journalists', same as above discussing on British rockwrite/music press. ---9pm: 'In the Pines' some sort of folk-ish club: live bands of folk-ish persuasion interspersed with deejaying from the three crits (postpunk in my case)
* Borders with Don Letts Thursday May 31--event starts at 6.30pm. Free admission, tickets available from the store or telephone (t) 0207 379 8877 (not honestly sure why tickets are required if it's free but that's what it says in the mail-out)
Posted by simon reynolds at 11:37 AM
― acrobat, Sunday, 3 June 2007 19:07 (sixteen years ago) link
btw does anyone know where i can get hold of a copy of Reynolds' "Against Health and Efficiency: Independent Music in the 1980s" essay? Preferably online?
― acrobat, Sunday, 3 June 2007 19:09 (sixteen years ago) link
Did anybody here go to any of those events (Reynolds is plugging his latest book)
― curmudgeon, Sunday, 3 June 2007 19:11 (sixteen years ago) link
YAWN!!!
― byebyepride, Monday, 4 June 2007 09:00 (sixteen years ago) link
The odd nifty catchphrase and deft rhyme, but c'mon, this man was a pig---Notorious P.I.G. more like; Piggy Smalls, heheheheh-and with a little help from his buddy Sean he almost singlehandedly set rap down its current path of spiritual bankruptcy. And he had the most unappetising vocal timbre in all of rap- asthmatic and adenoidal and mucus-bunged-up and fat-fuck wheezy all at once.
― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 14:34 (fifteen years ago) link
The original Paul Kix, and still the best.
― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 14:35 (fifteen years ago) link
Casting *RESURRECT THREAD* -- Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, March 14, 2003 8:03 AM (5 years ago) Bookmark Link
― max, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 14:35 (fifteen years ago) link
-- Dom Passantino, Wednesday, May 14, 2008 2:34 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
this sounds like latter-day martin amis.
― s1ocki, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 14:37 (fifteen years ago) link
WHAT IS REYNOLS VIEW ON THE SCOOTER ISSUE
― Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 14:41 (fifteen years ago) link
"The odd nifty catchphrase and deft rhyme, but c'mon, this man was a pig---Notorious P.I.G. more like; Piggy Smalls, heheheheh-and with a little help from his buddy Sean he almost singlehandedly set rap down its current path of spiritual bankruptcy. And he had the most unappetising vocal timbre in all of rap- asthmatic and adenoidal and mucus-bunged-up and fat-fuck wheezy all at once.
-- Dom Passantino"
reynolds said this? regardless of who said it, what fucking nonsense.
― pipecock, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 17:26 (fifteen years ago) link
Good call on spiritual bankruptcy in the middle of a paragraph of "LOL FATTEY" gags
― Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 17:30 (fifteen years ago) link
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=__Php680jxM
― Bodrick III, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 22:36 (fifteen years ago) link
http://image.blingee.com/images15/content/output/000/000/000/3ad/185270713_639848.gif
throw ya rollies in the sky
― banriquit, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 22:50 (fifteen years ago) link
http://image.blingee.com/images15/content/output/000/000/000/3ad/185401720_456895.gif
Rub your titties if you love 2 girls 1 cup
― The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 22:51 (fifteen years ago) link
I think the new shaved head/goatee/gaining two stone is a good look for him.
― Bodrick III, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 22:56 (fifteen years ago) link
Goody to enter Indian Big Brother Day 71, 11:21 BST
By Simon Reynolds, Entertainment Reporter
Rex Features Jade Goody will enter the Indian Big Brother house, reports The Sun.
The reality TV star, who was accused of bullying and making racist remarks to Bollywood actress Shilpa Shetty in last year's Celebrity Big Brother, has flown out to Mumbai to prepare for a stint on Big Boss.
A source revealed: "Jade wasn't sure when she was first approached because she was worried about how the Indian housemates and public might react.
"She was really upset about everything that happened after the scandal last year. People in India were burning effigies of her in the street.
"But she really wants to clear her name and prove to everyone that she's not a racist."
Goody will allegedly earn £100,000 for taking part in Big Boss.
― Tom D., Friday, 15 August 2008 14:14 (fifteen years ago) link
"But she really wants to earn £100,000" morelike.
Wonder what her take is on Funky House?
― Dingbod Kesterson, Friday, 15 August 2008 14:45 (fifteen years ago) link
The finest music journalist ever. Everybody secretly acknowledges this.
― PhilK, Friday, 15 August 2008 21:17 (fifteen years ago) link