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You should, anyway.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 01:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, but Extraordinary Machine >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Illinois

Actually, there's a lot more >'s to go, I just got a little tired of leaning on that key.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 01:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Ha, you can file that last post under "Everybody Get Random!"

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 01:26 (eighteen years ago) link

So wait, are you guys trying to tell me that I might like Sufjan by the time he starts writing songs set in Ossining and Poughkeepsie?

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 01:27 (eighteen years ago) link

"ha, I'd be plesantly surprised if it made the top 50!"

oh scottpl, today's issue makes me cry!

marc h. (marc h.), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 01:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Robyn's record is definitely much better than Illinoise -- Sufjan hasn't figured out how to make a good album with his terrific songs. You might find him boring or cringeworthy or whatever, but a song like "Seven Swans" or "Casimir Pulaski Day" or "Concerning the UFO Sighting..." is defensibly great.

The new Fiona Apple CD is crap, though, Matthew.

But anyway, ROBYN -- 8.2 was definitely too low. And it's a serious issue, because Pitchfork readers only seem to flock to mega-ratings -- and WHY DID THIS NOT GET A MEGA-RATING. While I'm content to yell about this album to an indie-rock brick wall, veryone would love this album if it was hip.

sean gramophone (Sean M), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 06:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Hey, I don't understand this. Why is it so important whether Pfork gives a 7.6 or a 8.7 for it? Though I don't think it would be that good. Not bad, I'd give 7.2, it's still good :)

zeus (zeus), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 06:37 (eighteen years ago) link

I GIVE IT A 10.0 FOR EFFORT

Googley Asearch (Toaster), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 06:52 (eighteen years ago) link

It's not actually important, zeus, I am just trying to make meat of something small. Like krill.

PFM gives out a gazillion reviews in the 7-8.4 range. Thus, if an album is in a genre you don't normally listen to (eg: pop), and it gets one of those generic 'pretty good' ratings, I can't imagine someone going out of their way to hear it. If it rates a 9.7, say, there's something compelling there - "maybe this is actually good and worth hearing, even if I don't normally like that stuff".

sean gramophone (Sean M), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 07:11 (eighteen years ago) link

sean, it will be on my year-end list! and ff won't! (i didn't actually cry, though)

marc h. (marc h.), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 10:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Wow, Sean, you surprise me. I am certain that no one made a record as good as Extraordinary Machine this year. Well, Robyn, MIA, and the New Pornos come close, but not very.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 11:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Gah, Matthew, sometimes you and me live on such different planes. I had less time than I expected for the original EM mix, but I was through with the new one before I had even listened to the whole thing once. Fiona's delivery is pretty great (love the rubicon line [hi MIA!]), but the songs plod for me, going in circles, and none of the production after the opening track zings at all. The new version of that "Love" song whose title I don't remember (you posted the original at Flux) really sucks.

sean gramophone (Sean M), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 11:48 (eighteen years ago) link

ooh, if this thread keeps going until tomorrow it can double as the place to complain about the pfm fiona apple review

scott pl. (scott pl.), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:20 (eighteen years ago) link

fwiw, sean, 8.2 is supposed to mean more than just "pretty good," though obv how readers use it is up to them.

marc h. (marc h.), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh no no! You must indoctrinate teh kids! These liberal policies are getting us nowhere!

vinegar (Koens), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh my God, Pfork dropped the ball on Fiona too? WTF?

ALL HAIL EMPEROR SNOOZANS!

Sean, "Tymps" is actually probably the best argument in favor of Elizondo's version, and the relative flatness of Brion's arrangement!

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 13:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Let's see, "Best New Music" -

Broken Social Scene
Franz Ferdinand
Wolf Parade
Devendra Banhart
Serena Maneesh
Kanye West
Super Furry Animals
The New Pornographers
Sufjan Snoozans
Wilderness
Clap Your Hands Say Yeah
Isolee
Art Brut
Sleater-Kinney
Stephen Malkmus
The Hold Steady
Architecture In Helsinki
Rosebuds
Sigur Ros
Jóhann Jóhannsson
Jason Forrest
Blood on the Wall
Bloc Party
Bell Orchestre
Kalikak Family
Kompakt 6
Part Chimp
Field Music

Well, I guess I shouldn't be very shocked by any of this.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 13:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Sean Gramophone: OK, I understand. But if Robyn is 9.7, than the Franz album should be 10.0

zeus (zeus), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 17:14 (eighteen years ago) link

And if that Franz album is a 10.0, then it's time for me to start writing reviews of office supplies instead.

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 17:21 (eighteen years ago) link

N., I liked your review of the album but thought 8.3 was too high for what you describe.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 17:21 (eighteen years ago) link

technically, the last third or so of what Matthew listed isn't 'best new music'

scott pl. (scott pl.), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 18:26 (eighteen years ago) link

J: That rating takes into account the fact that their first album got a 9.1. Possibly that was not very cool and fiercely-independent of me. But I figure the ratings are for the ratings-heads, and I didn't want to send the message that "Pitchfork" thought there'd been some big decline in quality. (And to be honest, I can't imagine how I would have rated this in some sort of vacuum; I imagine if I'd rated both I'd have put them both in the same 8.0-8.5 range. Which higher? Well, this is why I'm uncomfortable about ratings -- I'd probably put the new one higher for being "more interesting," and then feel guilty, public-service-wise, knowing that the first one was the one more people would actually love.)

I think there was originally some conflicted half-assed "I have reservations" stuff in that review, too, but they weren't clear and precise enough to survive editing.

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 19:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm posting this here (inappropriately) because I didn't want to just post a snarky "this song sucks" comment on your blog, Matthew, but although I haven't given Extraordinary Machine any more time since this conversation here, I did just relisten to "Red Red Red" and golly do I find it dull. It's exciting when it crests so early (vocally), but then I don't feel it at all when she breaks and stops. The vocal performance feels really tossed-off, like Apple's trying to remember "to do what I did when I sang this song at home and sounded so right". And the tune isn't good enough to carry things with a sheen of fakeness - the melody vanishes in the second minute, the upright bass sounds terrible, and it never gathers its disparate parts.

Come to think of it, it sounds like an Eels cover, which isn't really a plus or minus either way.

sean gramophone (Sean M), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 15:51 (eighteen years ago) link

So this isn't getting a UK bonus track extravaganza style release now?

:(

fandango (fandango), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 19:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Crazy pills, Sean!

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 20:03 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm warming up to this A LOT.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 14 October 2005 20:34 (eighteen years ago) link

So, how cold *are* you, John? :)

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 14 October 2005 20:45 (eighteen years ago) link

If only it had been written by Xenomania/Richard X eh?

fandango (fandango), Friday, 14 October 2005 20:47 (eighteen years ago) link

MFG, I think the first couple of times I sort of had it on but wasn't really listening to it. It's so solid, though.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 14 October 2005 20:49 (eighteen years ago) link

it is still GREAT

sean gramophone (Sean M), Friday, 14 October 2005 21:10 (eighteen years ago) link

"Be Mine" = still one of the greatest but I'm burning out on it rather quickly. Haha its so DESIGNED to be loved by ILM tho.

deej.. (deej..), Friday, 14 October 2005 21:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Be Mine sounds a lot like Kate Bush's Hounds Of Love.

Heh, didn't notice this, BUT "Anytime You Like" (ie the last track) sounds REALLY Bush-like to me – both in the voice (incl the stereoed refrain-thing) and especially the instrumental backing, which (at least at the start) is some sort of twin of "Watching You Without Me" from The Ninth Wave.

The Vintner's Lipogram (OleM), Monday, 24 October 2005 15:16 (eighteen years ago) link

the good news: i finally tracked down the full album

the bad news: apart from the stuff i'd already heard (and i had reservations about 'konichiwa bitches' anyway), it basically sucks. thoughts here

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 24 October 2005 15:33 (eighteen years ago) link

(i still think 'be mine' and 'who's that girl?' are two of the best pop songs i've heard this year though)

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 24 October 2005 15:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I've really gone off her cos of the voice. O fickle me.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 24 October 2005 15:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Wow, talk about overanalysing the fun right out.


login name (fandango), Monday, 24 October 2005 16:00 (eighteen years ago) link

tom otm

strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Monday, 24 October 2005 16:34 (eighteen years ago) link

it might also be because i was driving incessantly for the two weeks i really fell in love with it

strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Monday, 24 October 2005 16:35 (eighteen years ago) link

What don't you like about her voice? I think it's cute. Too cute, maybe?

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 24 October 2005 16:46 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't understand what's to complain about on the voice front. Well, I guess just a superficial 'rubs me the wrong way', but the same could be said for bits of just about every popstar, for me...

sean gramophone (Sean M), Monday, 24 October 2005 16:53 (eighteen years ago) link

God, this music is weak. Kind of like Abba for the new millenium: American R&B passed on through mainstream culture to Scandanavians. If Britney Spears hadn't made R&B palatable to white people, would any Scandanavians listen to it? And the comparisons with Kate Bush? Gah. Please don't accuse me of being joyless. I'll admit to cynical and bitter, but I like some fun, as long as it isn't a watered down, formulaic appropriation of black culture by nordic folk.

Listening to this made me really appreciate the internet. There was a time I may actually have paid to listen to this kind of crap. Thanks to miracle of technology, I can now listen to crap for free!

viborgu, Monday, 24 October 2005 17:07 (eighteen years ago) link

If Britney Spears hadn't made R&B palatable to white people

get one history that extends beyond the millennial mark

strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Monday, 24 October 2005 17:09 (eighteen years ago) link

so, basically, viborgu, yr problem is that she's swedish?

marc h. (marc h.), Monday, 24 October 2005 17:14 (eighteen years ago) link

also, sir, her debut was released in 1995. r&b/palatable/white folks...

marc h. (marc h.), Monday, 24 October 2005 17:15 (eighteen years ago) link

also, Lex way over-reacting to the (barely there) "appropriation of hip hop slang" in 'Handle Me'. Jesus, she's just foolin'! Do we have to bring race into this??

I'm hardly convinced she's taking cues from 'electro-house' either. And oh no! ACOUSTIC GUITAR!? It's hardly the main instrumentation, just a tiny melodic frill on that song. Are you really that allergic? The strings are acoustic too as far as I can tell...

The beats are a bit thin & wonky sure (these 'poptimists' have actually heard pop music before haven't they?), but I think they're deliberately so & well used. Every suggestion I've heard to 'improve' Konichiwa Bitches sounds like something that would remove an equal amount of charm & lightness in the process.

The other criticisms just annoy me because I can imagine other scenarios where they'd be totally flipped or disregarded "oh look another boring ballad" (this isn't an r'n'b record!)

login name (fandango), Monday, 24 October 2005 17:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Britney Spears? Dude, it was the BACKSTREET BOYS! Come on!

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 24 October 2005 17:42 (eighteen years ago) link

(Honestly, on ILC, I bring the funnies non-stop.)

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 24 October 2005 17:42 (eighteen years ago) link

haha does lex really hate on acoustic guitars in that review? (i havent looked)

strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Monday, 24 October 2005 17:44 (eighteen years ago) link

My problem isn't just that she's Swedish. It's that she's making weak R&B that probably wouldn't make a dent if she was a black American. I haven't heard her debut album- sorry, but I'm not versed in her entire discography. Is there anything that doesn't suck on it? She is hot, I'll give you that.

OK- I'm off on my history of the white appropriation of R&B. Backstreet Boys? Hmm...
http://www.musicobsession.com/Pictures/c/o/colormebadd340764.jpg
Oh wait, there's a black guy there. I guess they pass the cool test.

viborgu, Monday, 24 October 2005 17:48 (eighteen years ago) link

They even had "color" in their name! I think "Colored Me Badd" would have been better. Or "Negro Me Badd"?

viborgu, Monday, 24 October 2005 17:50 (eighteen years ago) link


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