Elvis Costello: Classic or Dud

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'*shrug*' indeed.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 30 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Hey, stop talking about me in the same breath as Sting, willya??

And Elvis Costello, for that matter. I know it sounds funny, but I certainly hope I am more talented than EC, though I'm not sure that you could really be persuaded of that based solely on Melody Maker articles I wrote years ago. The point is, it's not very hard to write songs like Elvis Costello, the reason so few people do is that so few people want to. Torture a pun; look out of your window and watch some sexy girls walk past, contemplate how you're never going to screw them, get bitter then quickly write a bit more; doff your cap to dead guys who wrote better songs than you. I estimate it'd take you 40 minutes, an hour if you stop for two bottles of whisky.

That thing I wrote about EC - which Allan Jones ordered I rewrite and still never quite forgave me for - attributed that quote to Dave Lee Roth. I used it to make a further point: most music journalists like Elvis Costello because most music journalists think like Elvis Costello. I'm not sure that's true anymore, by the way. Increasingly, they all want to be bloody Lee & Herring, which is worse. No, worse still. Adam & Joe.

PS I once met Joe Strummer - during the summer of 1995, which I think he spent perpetually on E, and not long after that review was published. I was amazed when he recognized my name and told me he'd read the EC thing: "I tell you," he said, "I've been waiting 20 fucking years for someone to say that about that cunt..." I was never a punk or anything, but I felt quite proud.

Taylor Parkes, Wednesday, 30 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Well I *am* a punk and Joe Strummer has been a lying half-wit uber- Dadrock coward scumbag sell-out since 1979, when he forgot to break up the Clash as promised. Why didn't he bloody say it himself? "I've been waiting for 20 years": what a shithead he is.

I much prefer "Costello: he's so brilliant he's bad": the lookylikey idea is just clever-clever RoMo body-fascism (he said, crossly tugging his goatee and polishing his glasses), and will only fly if we get to apply it to everyone else as well.

mark s, Wednesday, 30 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

For all I know, Taylor Parkes may be a delightful fellow who makes a smashing cup of tea. But he must know, really, as I do, that what he says above about EC is utter piffle.

the pinefox, Thursday, 31 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I don't think Almost BLue is bad. THe last track on the record is lovely!

Mike Hanley, Thursday, 31 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Pete Waterman recently revealed he dreamed up 'The Hit-Man and Her' after switching his TV on, late one Friday evening, only to see Elvis Costello droning on about 'Irish Politics'. Yet another reason Costello should be had up for cultural crimes.

Stevo, Thursday, 31 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

No, really. I do like some Costello songs. "Oliver's Army", "Alison", "Pills & Soap", "Watching The Detectives", "I Want You", "(I Don't Want To Go To) Chelsea", "Shipbuilding" and "Accidents Will Happen". That sounds like quite a lot, but when you consider just how many songs that bloke actually released, it's a pretty lame showing.

Taylor Parkes, Thursday, 31 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

You said you rewrote that review yourself, Taylor. Ah well, the hiding of the truth which the old-school music papers so deftly concealed. I loved your joke about Jones (at least, I assume it was him) thinking a Jimmy Nail track was by American Music Club.

Robin Carmody, Thursday, 31 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

GeoRDiE RaCeR SeZ: recently heard some crazy hardcore mc-ing down at THE AFTERDARK - temple ov tha charver nation. can you remember the hilariously repetitious junglist mc's on 'one in tha jungle'radio prog ?

Please tell me that isn't the "After Dark" in Laygate, South Shields???

That's abt 1/2 mile from where I sit now, typing thiz cobblerz, instead ov working. Christ....

x0x0

NooooRmAAAAn fAAAAy, Friday, 1 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

whoah. . . thats like being at the HELLMOUTH !

the virus circulates by dodgy mixtapes, calling on EVIL ITSELF:

DUF DUF DUF DUF 'witha cocaine,ectasy,marjuana,lsd - BRING THA NOIZE WHISTLE POSSE'

geordie racer, Friday, 1 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

two months pass...
didnt elvis costello punch some full of it feminist and/or pop singer in the face one time?

claire schriefer, Monday, 13 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one month passes...
I have been frustrated by Elvis for the last few years. In concert he has never been more magnificent, but I didn't care for "Painted By Memory." I really love Burt Bacharach and think Elvis is the best artist alive right now, but their album seemed turgid to me. I think this is mostly due to Elvis' straining-in-the-manner-of-taking-a-20- megaton-crap singing on this one. Not for me. Still, Elvis is miles better than anyone else. So, I think Elvis is indeed king.

Vlad, the impaler, esq., Wednesday, 10 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

four months pass...
Classic for sure--in part because he's WILLING to do stuff that tries too hard and fails, and sometimes ends up with marvelous successes. Mostly because he's a completely fucking kick-ass melodist. (I was reminded of that this week when I got the new reissue of _Blood & Chocolate_, my dark-horse pick for his best record, and looking at the track listing remembered every single tune all the way through.) Also because he wrote "I Hope You're Happy Now" and "The Other Side of Summer" and "No Action" and "Brilliant Mistake" and "Baby's Got A Brand New Hairdo" and "Crimes of Paris" and "You Little Fool" and "Shipbuilding" and "Hoover Factory" and "Motel Matches" and "Blue Chair" and and and...

Douglas, Wednesday, 6 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one year passes...
Blimey, a lot of vintage stuff on this thread.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 17:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

More classic than most anyway.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 18:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

1/2/3 Forever undeniably classic. 4 through whatall I dunno 32? really kinda suck at best

girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Thursday, 27 March 2003 02:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

phoah, this thread brings back memories. first time i actually tried to participate in a discussion on ILM!

didnt elvis costello punch some full of it feminist and/or pop singer in the face one time?

he got in an argument with members of the stephen stills band which quickly escalated into a shouting match. apparently, he and bruce thomas were utterly shitfaced and wanted to say 'the worst thing they could possibly say', so ec said that ray charles was a 'blind, ignorant n*****' and proceeded to trash james brown and the whole of america in a similar manner. then bonnie bramlett decked him, and it erupted into a bar fight. ec is horribly contrite about it, says it was a huge mistake etc (see In The Fascist Bathroom, G Marcus)

Dave M. (rotten03), Thursday, 27 March 2003 04:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

"The scouser".

the pinefox, Thursday, 27 March 2003 11:37 (twenty-one years ago) link


But the UK pop market would appear to me to be wide open to a charismatic garage mc with inventive lyrics.

-- David (huntsma...), May 25th, 2001.

David wins!

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 27 March 2003 14:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

three months pass...
revive. he is playing for free in chicago this sunday. should i go? i haven't heard the latest record.

amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 3 July 2003 20:14 (twenty years ago) link

You should always go to see Costello. He's full of surprises.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Thursday, 3 July 2003 20:33 (twenty years ago) link

The biggest dud in the history of music - him and Tom Waits. And Nick Cave.

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 4 July 2003 11:02 (twenty years ago) link

I loved him when I was 14-16 or so. Then he began to make me feel a bit sick. A pity I can't think of anything better to add to this lovely thread.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 4 July 2003 11:54 (twenty years ago) link

five months pass...
Picked up the Rhino Reissues of Trust and Get Happy recently. Hopefully this is the last set of reissues, even if not I am not shelling out anymore money for the same set of cds. Classic for his 70 and 80's stuff up to Blood and Chocolate. Since then hit or miss with Brutal Youth, Painted By Memory and When I Was Cruel in the former category. I never thought that he could make a worse cd than Goodbye Cruel World but with North he seems to have outdone himself.

Jim Reckling (Jim Reckling), Thursday, 25 December 2003 04:00 (twenty years ago) link

five months pass...
So I just found this Elvis Costello on line that I wrote several years ago, and I am hereby linking to it, for posterity's sake:

http://launch.yahoo.com/read/album.asp?contentID=7205

chuck, Friday, 4 June 2004 00:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Since it's here: Classic.

Pack Yr Romantic Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 4 June 2004 00:46 (nineteen years ago) link

I was just listening to Armed Forces recently and got bummed realizing that all his puns basically add up to "Don't Tread On Me, Bitch." Then I remembered he originally named the album Emotional Fascism. I wish chorus hooks as strong as the one on "Two Little Hitlers" weren't hooked to such a mirthless, vindictive perspective. I guess I don't have much fondness for pop whose point is to be subversive.

I still adore This Years Model (and My Aim Is True for the most part) and various songs from later periods (mainly for the melody - I dig a good part of Brutal Youth actually)...

I guess he qualifies as a dud Classic, meaning somebody who you can't truly hate on but doesn't offer much joy. A classic Dud is someone you love to hate, a band that's recorded career is basically worthless but you wouldn't want to live in a world without them (Kiss is a big one for me).

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 4 June 2004 01:05 (nineteen years ago) link

One of my strongest memories of listening to When I Was Cruel was that I couldn't believe he was still bitching about lobotomy cases in high heels. I thought he'd been married for over a decade! Then he announced his divorce so I guess maybe he was back in single mode or something.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 4 June 2004 01:10 (nineteen years ago) link

three years pass...

wow there are no less than THREE c/d threads for elvis.

anyway, November 8th, San Francisco, Great American Music Hall: Elvis Costello and Clover perform "my aim is true". sold out though and just found out about it so phooey.

akm, Monday, 8 October 2007 23:23 (sixteen years ago) link

four years pass...

ha! i wouldn't mind hearing the show...but who pays for these kinds of things? the 1%?

tylerw, Friday, 18 November 2011 18:43 (twelve years ago) link

This implies somebody would *want* to wash EC's guitar. I'm content to let it rot away.

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, May 22, 2001

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 November 2011 18:46 (twelve years ago) link

I find Costello to be mostly workmanlike and boring, although his has hit on a very small handful of classics in his career. I honestly can't stand his voice either. So aside from that very small handful of classics... Dud!

Turrican, Friday, 18 November 2011 18:47 (twelve years ago) link

If on the other hand you should still want to hear and view the component parts of the above mentioned elaborate hoax, then those items will be available separately at a more affordable price in the New Year, assuming that you have not already obtained them by more unconventional means.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_PBIZELR-rYA/STgEAqbr4GI/AAAAAAAAALA/NWXsxEGh4og/s320/Elvis.JPG

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 18 November 2011 18:48 (twelve years ago) link

^^ Costello revealing the "inspiration" behind the 'Trust' album, there.

Turrican, Friday, 18 November 2011 18:50 (twelve years ago) link

in case you were wondering it's $268

frogbs, Friday, 18 November 2011 19:32 (twelve years ago) link

...for one CD, one DVD, and a 10" vinyl EP. His 5-disc live box with Steve Nieve costs less than half that.

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 18 November 2011 19:38 (twelve years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxardpBReQc

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 18 November 2011 19:40 (twelve years ago) link

BTW, sort of like Prince, it's not really fair to count EC's prolific nature against him. He had a run of six or so classics in a row before he came anywhere close to dud. After that, sure, it's been hit or miss, but a couple in there have been classics, too.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 18 November 2011 19:44 (twelve years ago) link

well, Prince can sing though.

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 November 2011 19:45 (twelve years ago) link

Man, that's a really scathing parody of Elvis that Nick Lowe's doing in that vid.

I mean, that is Nick, right?

da croupier, Friday, 18 November 2011 19:46 (twelve years ago) link

xpost That's for sure! But EC's non-singing is no worse than one RZ's.

I mean, I love Prince, more than EC at his best, but even Prince's totally unimpeachable winning streak was almost exactly as long as EC's before things started going off the rails.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 18 November 2011 19:46 (twelve years ago) link

Is Nick Lowe the fuzzy red one or the puppet?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 18 November 2011 19:47 (twelve years ago) link

The grey haired guy hamming it up behind Elvis glasses (but seriously, I didn't realize Elvis had decided to give up on dye.

All the viral Sesame Street viral vids baffle me, because like, they NEVER ACTUALLY COUNT in this clip! The ratio of parent-baiting in-jokery to educational content is pretty overwhelming. Stop shouting "red 2" and do some basic addition already!

da croupier, Friday, 18 November 2011 19:50 (twelve years ago) link

you gotta cool out a bit croup

frogbs, Friday, 18 November 2011 19:52 (twelve years ago) link

please don't mistake my use of the exclamation point and all caps for anything more than bafflement.

da croupier, Friday, 18 November 2011 19:53 (twelve years ago) link

How is he supposed to count if a monster ate his red 2?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 18 November 2011 19:55 (twelve years ago) link

maybe a verse about basic subtraction, unless "3 - 1 = 2" is a bit advanced for educational television these days

da croupier, Friday, 18 November 2011 19:59 (twelve years ago) link

But there's no 2! It'd have to be a song about variables, but then they'd have to introduce letters into the mix.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 18 November 2011 20:02 (twelve years ago) link

maybe the point of the bit wasn't to be educational, how about that

frogbs, Friday, 18 November 2011 20:02 (twelve years ago) link


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