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mkcaine for presinedt

banriquit, Saturday, 19 April 2008 17:01 (fifteen years ago) link

"Yeah I wasn't skitting you" <--- not heard skitting you since school.

Zizek has become a bit of an opinions4u troll. Which is why he gets the Guradian work and stuff I guess.

I still kinda like him though, and K-Punk need somewhere to glom his ideas from.

Raw Patrick, Saturday, 19 April 2008 17:29 (fifteen years ago) link

K-Punk need somewhere to glom his ideas from.

http://www.soulstrut.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/snapgraem26wuch9.gif

banriquit, Saturday, 19 April 2008 17:36 (fifteen years ago) link

damn son

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 19 April 2008 18:43 (fifteen years ago) link

Anybody seen the "Zizek blathers on about Lacanian readings of Movies" doc? Looks interesting.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 19 April 2008 18:47 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah you totally sold that!

i think he takes a fresh look at such critically neglected films as 'psycho' and 'blue velvet' through the optics of freudian psychoanalysis.

banriquit, Saturday, 19 April 2008 18:55 (fifteen years ago) link

Mentioning this K-Punk thing reminds me of something...a few years ago I was reading ILM and somebody brought that blog up, so I took a look at it. WTF is that guy on about? Do any of you understand it? I get this way with thinkers in "critical theory": like the words sorta make sense individually, but together it sounds like pure nonsense (this thread, at least at the top, is like that to me also) e.g.

""The truly radical assertion of historical contingency has to include the dialectical tension between the domain of historical change itself and its traumatic 'ahistorical' kernel qua its condition of (im)possibility."

I'm not afraid of egghead rambling---I am/pretend to be an egghead, even, and get paid for it. But I will have worked all day today to write like one page of clear philosophical text: it won't be mysterious and sexy like what I quoted there, but I will have communicated a thought. What's the attraction of text like that?

Euler, Saturday, 19 April 2008 18:55 (fifteen years ago) link

er by "What's the attraction of text like that", I mean of Zizek's. So much for communicating a thought!

Euler, Saturday, 19 April 2008 18:56 (fifteen years ago) link

hahahaha. don't even go there. it comes under i a richards's category of 'prudential speech'.

banriquit, Saturday, 19 April 2008 18:58 (fifteen years ago) link

i think he takes a fresh look at such critically neglected films as 'psycho' and 'blue velvet' through the optics of freudian psychoanalysis.

-- banriquit, Saturday, April 19, 2008 6:55 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Yeah it's not the "fresh readings" that attract me so much as the comedy. I lol'd considerably at "Zizek!" even if the whole thing was the filmmaker's thinly disguised mash note to dude.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 19 April 2008 19:14 (fifteen years ago) link

my post was meant as a zing -- britishes style.

banriquit, Saturday, 19 April 2008 19:18 (fifteen years ago) link

http://youtube.com/watch?v=D9FXyr-LLeI

latebloomer, Saturday, 19 April 2008 19:19 (fifteen years ago) link

zizek's finest moment afaic

latebloomer, Saturday, 19 April 2008 19:19 (fifteen years ago) link

Oh I know dude that's why I put "fresh readings" in zingquotes. xxp

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 19 April 2008 19:32 (fifteen years ago) link

lol Lacan = mad fresh rite

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 19 April 2008 19:32 (fifteen years ago) link

omg do want xp to latebloomer

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 19 April 2008 19:33 (fifteen years ago) link

You've been Zizekrolled!

Casuistry, Saturday, 19 April 2008 19:58 (fifteen years ago) link

four months pass...

Bah! Can somebody find for me the Zizek interview/essay where he talks about atheism and the death of God. It's driving me crazy, I read it on the internet somewhere fairly recently and didn't bookmark it and I really want to find it again because I can't quite remember what he said that I thought was cool.

I know, right?, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 22:06 (fifteen years ago) link

that sounds like 70% of his output

Jeff LeVine, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 22:18 (fifteen years ago) link

don't get my hopes up like that

I know, right?, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 22:20 (fifteen years ago) link

bump, because I still haven't found it.

I know, right?, Thursday, 18 September 2008 08:56 (fifteen years ago) link

Slavoj Zizek, 59, was born in Ljubljana, Slovenia. He is a professor at the European Graduate School, international director of the Birkbeck Institute for Humanities in London and a senior researcher at the University of Ljubljana's institute of sociology. He has written more than 30 books on subjects as diverse as Hitchcock, Lenin and 9/11, and also presented the TV series The Pervert's Guide To Cinema.

When were you happiest?

A few times when I looked forward to a happy moment or remembered it - never when it was happening.

What is your greatest fear?

To awaken after death - that's why I want to be burned immediately.

What is your earliest memory?

My mother naked. Disgusting.

Which living person do you most admire, and why?

Jean-Bertrand Aristide, the twice-deposed president of Haiti. He is a model of what can be done for the people even in a desperate situation.

What is the trait you most deplore in yourself?

Indifference to the plights of others.

What is the trait you most deplore in others?

Their sleazy readiness to offer me help when I don't need or want it.

What was your most embarrassing moment?

Standing naked in front of a woman before making love.

Aside from a property, what's the most expensive thing you've bought?

The new German edition of the collected works of Hegel.

What is your most treasured possession?

See the previous answer.

What makes you depressed?

Seeing stupid people happy.

What do you most dislike about your appearance?

That it makes me appear the way I really am.

What is your most unappealing habit?

The ridiculously excessive tics of my hands while I talk.

What would be your fancy dress costume of choice?

A mask of myself on my face, so people would think I am not myself but someone pretending to be me.

What is your guiltiest pleasure?

Watching embarrassingly pathetic movies such as The Sound Of Music.

What do you owe your parents?

Nothing, I hope. I didn't spend a minute bemoaning their death.

To whom would you most like to say sorry, and why?

To my sons, for not being a good enough father.

What does love feel like?

Like a great misfortune, a monstrous parasite, a permanent state of emergency that ruins all small pleasures.

What or who is the love of your life?

Philosophy. I secretly think reality exists so we can speculate about it.

What is your favourite smell?

Nature in decay, like rotten trees.

Have you ever said 'I love you' and not meant it?

All the time. When I really love someone, I can only show it by making aggressive and bad-taste remarks.

Which living person do you most despise, and why?

Medical doctors who assist torturers.

What is the worst job you've done?

Teaching. I hate students, they are (as all people) mostly stupid and boring.

What has been your biggest disappointment?

What Alain Badiou calls the 'obscure disaster' of the 20th century: the catastrophic failure of communism.

If you could edit your past, what would you change?

My birth. I agree with Sophocles: the greatest luck is not to have been born - but, as the joke goes on, very few people succeed in it.

If you could go back in time, where would you go?

To Germany in the early 19th century, to follow a university course by Hegel.

How do you relax?

Listening again and again to Wagner.

How often do you have sex?

It depends what one means by sex. If it's the usual masturbation with a living partner, I try not to have it at all.

What is the closest you've come to death?

When I had a mild heart attack. I started to hate my body: it refused to do its duty to serve me blindly.

What single thing would improve the quality of your life?

To avoid senility.

What do you consider your greatest achievement?

The chapters where I develop what I think is a good interpretation of Hegel.

What is the most important lesson life has taught you?

That life is a stupid, meaningless thing that has nothing to teach you.

Tell us a secret.

Communism will win.

Zelda Zonk, Thursday, 18 September 2008 09:22 (fifteen years ago) link

What is your greatest fear?

To awaken after death - that's why I want to be burned immediately.

That's OTM. My greatest fear is dying and being a consciousness trapped in a dead body.

Mordy, Thursday, 18 September 2008 09:25 (fifteen years ago) link

two months pass...

http://www.jewcy.com/post/defense_zizek

Good stuff.

Mordy, Thursday, 4 December 2008 09:38 (fifteen years ago) link

Eh, I'd say he's constructing a bit of a stawn man there.

Shacknasty (Frogman Henry), Thursday, 4 December 2008 09:56 (fifteen years ago) link

er, strawn man.

Shacknasty (Frogman Henry), Thursday, 4 December 2008 09:56 (fifteen years ago) link

fuck it.

Shacknasty (Frogman Henry), Thursday, 4 December 2008 09:56 (fifteen years ago) link

was just trying to remember, what was his point about passive-aggressive parenting being "less honest" than the "totalitarian style"? something about the glance at the room + "have you cleaned your room today?" vs. "clean your room now"

BIG WORLD HOOS. WEBSTEEN. (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 4 December 2008 10:06 (fifteen years ago) link

Shack, you mean the original article was a strawman, right? Cause the one I linked to is a defense of Zizek. Unless you think he was strawmanning the critics?

Mordy, Thursday, 4 December 2008 10:22 (fifteen years ago) link

naw, it was a poor gag. look at the guy's name.

Shacknasty (Frogman Henry), Thursday, 4 December 2008 10:25 (fifteen years ago) link

<3 u Ziz

Tá a fhios agam, nach bhfuil? (I know, right?), Thursday, 4 December 2008 10:36 (fifteen years ago) link

Xp. Cute, you earned retroactive lolz from me.

Mordy, Thursday, 4 December 2008 11:07 (fifteen years ago) link

Reading both those pieces inspired me to read Enjoy Your Symptom! Now I just need to find a copy cheap (InterLib Loan!)

Mordy, Thursday, 4 December 2008 11:08 (fifteen years ago) link

so sick of people calling dude a closet authoritarian

BIG WORLD HOOS. WEBSTEEN. (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 4 December 2008 11:13 (fifteen years ago) link

My fave Zizek clip:

Mordy, Thursday, 4 December 2008 11:15 (fifteen years ago) link

Would kill for a Zizek film critic gig at the Voice (or wherever).

Mordy, Thursday, 4 December 2008 11:19 (fifteen years ago) link

this one's still my fave, this or the fragile absolute interview with the local newsman

BIG WORLD HOOS. WEBSTEEN. (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 4 December 2008 11:24 (fifteen years ago) link

It's like the Beatles V. the Ramones. When I read Adorno, I'm blown away and shocked and awed. When I read Zizek, I feel like - hey, that's cool. I could do that too.

Mordy, Thursday, 4 December 2008 11:29 (fifteen years ago) link

Bummer! I thought the thread title read: "This is the thread where we talk like Slavoj Zizek"

Dan I., Thursday, 4 December 2008 11:32 (fifteen years ago) link

Is there a good intro to all those terms he uses from (I assume) Lacan?
The Big Other, the Real & the Imaginary & the Symbolic, the little a etc? I always feel like I'm completely missing the point of Zizek's stuff because I don't have a proper idea what those things mean. Also, I hear Lacan's a dreadfully tough read, one I don't think I'm up to.

I'm aware that Zizek's written such an intro himself.

Øystein, Thursday, 4 December 2008 11:33 (fifteen years ago) link

Lacan, Baudrillard, Hegel... I mean those are the places to start, I guess. If you're really looking for a fun, easy opening, Baudrillard's Simulacra is really good. Tho a lot of my friends say that it's stupid and unoriginal (but I enjoyed it!).

Mordy, Thursday, 4 December 2008 11:35 (fifteen years ago) link

I mean, a lot of what he's talking about in those clips is kinda 'swimming in the waters of theory,' and I'm not sure I can place all of it. Certainly some of it should be accessible to any American living in a culture where Matrix was a hit flick, right?

Mordy, Thursday, 4 December 2008 11:36 (fifteen years ago) link

Or, ya know, this is ILX and it's 6:30 in the morning and I'm awake. Ask whatever particular question you had and I'll give my interpretation/understanding (with no promise that it's the correct one).

Mordy, Thursday, 4 December 2008 11:38 (fifteen years ago) link

Thanks, I don't really have any specific question at the moment though. (I'm at work, so I've not watched any of the clips, just talking about previous experiences reading him)

Øystein, Thursday, 4 December 2008 11:39 (fifteen years ago) link

Can we make a "talk like Zizek" thread?

Mordy, Thursday, 4 December 2008 11:41 (fifteen years ago) link

Zizek on religion is always the best, I zone out a little when he gets too "idealogical system" on me though.

Tá a fhios agam, nach bhfuil? (I know, right?), Thursday, 4 December 2008 17:22 (fifteen years ago) link

Mordy, did you used to have a longer name on this dealy?

Tá a fhios agam, nach bhfuil? (I know, right?), Thursday, 4 December 2008 21:47 (fifteen years ago) link

A long while ago.

Mordy, Thursday, 4 December 2008 21:51 (fifteen years ago) link

thought you didn't seem that new

Tá a fhios agam, nach bhfuil? (I know, right?), Thursday, 4 December 2008 21:58 (fifteen years ago) link

I've been posting on and off since at least 2005.

Mordy, Thursday, 4 December 2008 22:02 (fifteen years ago) link


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